Makoto-Yuki
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ryzen master has always been so buggy for me. i don't use it. i do everything in bios
"I Need a New PC!" 2024-2025. 240 Hz OLEDs, PCI-Gen5, Path Tracing & Ray Reconstruction.
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Soodanim
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I could use some guidance and advice please.
Since I got my 9070XT I need to get the rest of my new build. I'll be honest: I was not expecting a near £2k build. The current list is mostly just popular parts from PCPP, so this is where the refinement comes in.
Usage overview
1440p gaming, very little else. Dual boot of W11/Linux. Current monitors are 180hz, no 4K TV. I like the idea of efficiency, not raw power. Will undervolt the GPU for certain, haven't thought about the rest.
Current thoughts
CPU Might be overkill. Need to check benchmarks. I'm torn because I stuck with my Intel CPU for 12 years so a good CPU is an investment there, but with AMD I could always upgrade a few years from now if needed. Is 9800X3D £150 better than 9700X? 7800X3D is essentially pointless, if I'm going to spend £390 I might as well spend the extra £60 for 9800X3D.
Cooler If it does the job without being loud I'm happy. I've heard of Peerless Assassin. Current is a 212 Evo.
Mobo Most help needed here. Not sure who's good and who isn't, but I know some have had issues (ASRock maybe?). These are all much more expensive than I expected.
Memory Current is Corsair LP, so threw Corsair in again. But I don't want RGB so happy to pick a reasonably priced yet reliable alternative. I also want to find recommended/compatible RAM that doesn't cause the minute long post times, that would annoy me.
Storage The logic behind 2x P3 is a W11 drive and a Linux drive with plenty of room for game installs on the Linux drive. With FSR4 not being on Linux yet maybe I could hold off until a sale. Thinking about it, 1TB for W11 seems more than enough for a system drive. MX500x2 are ~1 year old drives that will come with me and currently are a dedicated games drive and an all purpose data drive. Might need to have a think about this.
Case Will probably swap out if this doesn't have dust filters. Current is Fractal R4.
PSU I want reliable and quiet. I vaguely remember advice being to aim for about half capacity at load, which this doesn't achieve with ~250W to spare, but I don't know if that's legitimate advice.
Since I got my 9070XT I need to get the rest of my new build. I'll be honest: I was not expecting a near £2k build. The current list is mostly just popular parts from PCPP, so this is where the refinement comes in.
Usage overview
1440p gaming, very little else. Dual boot of W11/Linux. Current monitors are 180hz, no 4K TV. I like the idea of efficiency, not raw power. Will undervolt the GPU for certain, haven't thought about the rest.
Current thoughts
CPU Might be overkill. Need to check benchmarks. I'm torn because I stuck with my Intel CPU for 12 years so a good CPU is an investment there, but with AMD I could always upgrade a few years from now if needed. Is 9800X3D £150 better than 9700X? 7800X3D is essentially pointless, if I'm going to spend £390 I might as well spend the extra £60 for 9800X3D.
Cooler If it does the job without being loud I'm happy. I've heard of Peerless Assassin. Current is a 212 Evo.
Mobo Most help needed here. Not sure who's good and who isn't, but I know some have had issues (ASRock maybe?). These are all much more expensive than I expected.
Memory Current is Corsair LP, so threw Corsair in again. But I don't want RGB so happy to pick a reasonably priced yet reliable alternative. I also want to find recommended/compatible RAM that doesn't cause the minute long post times, that would annoy me.
Storage The logic behind 2x P3 is a W11 drive and a Linux drive with plenty of room for game installs on the Linux drive. With FSR4 not being on Linux yet maybe I could hold off until a sale. Thinking about it, 1TB for W11 seems more than enough for a system drive. MX500x2 are ~1 year old drives that will come with me and currently are a dedicated games drive and an all purpose data drive. Might need to have a think about this.
Case Will probably swap out if this doesn't have dust filters. Current is Fractal R4.
PSU I want reliable and quiet. I vaguely remember advice being to aim for about half capacity at load, which this doesn't achieve with ~250W to spare, but I don't know if that's legitimate advice.
GHG
Gold Member
Just saw your post in a different thread related to this so thought I'd chime in here.
This is what I'd suggest:
- Swapped the CPU for a 7700x - minimal difference to the 9700x, and if you're gaming at 4k then you'll see no benefit jumping to a 9800x3d chip when paired with a 9070xt
- Swapped the motherboard for a better one - imo MSI are the ones to go with for AM5, by quite some distance
- Swapped out the RAM for a CL30 kit, ideally you want 6000mhz CL30 for AM5. I run with 6400 cl30, but there are some specific tweaks required to get it running in gear 1 with AM5 processors - if that means nothing to you then stick with CL30 6000, it's not going to be worth the extra hassle/money for you
- Swapped the case for a similarly priced but better one
Soodanim
Member
Thank you so much for taking the time, this is brilliant.
That's the second time in a day I've seen MSI recommended for the board, there's a lot of negativity surrounding boards and MSI seem to be the only one some will go for.
I don't think I've ever looked into the benefits of RAM tweaking, so I'll probably stick with defaults where sufficient. I'm always open to possibilities, but from experience I much prefer tuning a GPU in an OS than going through the stages of tuning a CPU in BIOS.
I never want to be hasty and suffer buyer's remorse, but I wonder if I can get this all locked in this weekend.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
MikeM
Member
Can vouch for GHG. My build is a MSI B650 Tomahawk, 7600x, 9070xt, XPG 32GB cl30 6000mhz RAM and its been rock solid.
GHG
Gold Member
The TLDW is that there's zero difference between a 7700 and 9800x3d when paired with a 9070 XT and running at 4k resolution.
Still worth watching it for the intricacies though. Personally I think his channel has a lot of good resources for people looking to do new builds at the moment, also on the OS side of things:
Soodanim
Member
Not necessarily. This video is required watching for anyone building a new AM5 PC at the moment IMO:
Soodanim the video above should clear everything up for you.
Watched it, liked it. Good to know the demands of recent games and that I don't need to overspend to get a decent system.
Checked UK prices, and the 7700 from a reputable retailer (that I have used before) is only £25 less than a 9700X - does that change things in your opinion?
They're about half the price on AliExpress but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable taking that gamble.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yes, I love that channel. His recommended undervolt settings worked perfect for my 9070XT. Sadly I couldn't go lower (or higher) than -80mV. I went with a -20 instead of 30 and lost minimal performance while shaving off about 75W of power use.
However, I am using WIndows 10 LTSC and I am thinking I might switch to WIndows 11 LSTC as 10 isn't working as well as I hoped. Namely, HDR isn't quite working the way I like and some features straight up work better with Windows 11.
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GreatnessRD
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Save all of your pennies. You must have only the best, pops! 9950X3D + 5090 + Greed +Tariffs = Profit!
Topher
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ftfy
OverHeat
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Sorry for your lost…
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Lol of course it did. People got all up in my grill for saying this but some games are CPU bound even before they get to 60 fps.
Especially if you were using trash Zen1 and Zen 2 CPUs. i caught so much flack for telling people to upgrade from zen 1 and zen 2 when they kept bitching about starfield being unoptimized. they cheaped out and fell for the wrong hype on those CPUs thanks mostly to idiotic youtube reviewers then called everything poorly optimized.
Try Space Marine 2, Starfield, Jedi Survivor, and other UE5 games. Early UE5 games are heavily single threaded and those zen 1 and zen 2 CPUs had lowish single core clocks. I had no issues running most of these games at 60 fps but people act like UE5 is the biggest piece of trash ever. All because they bought the wrong CPUs 4 years ago.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It's still a trashy engine.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
So RTX 5080s are selling for $1,400-1,600 in my local microcenter and bestbuy. I saw them just sitting on shelves a couple of weeks ago for several days but the economic uncertainty of the last couple of weeks made everyone just go buy them. Now they are all sold out again.
At this point, we have no one but ourselves to blame. If you are willing to spend a $500 premium for these GPUs that are only 15% faster than the previous gen then Nvidia and these AIBs dont have a choice but to charge these prices.
Looking at tech powerup, when i upgraded from my 2080 to 3080, i got on average 66% more performance. Going from 3080 to 5080, im looking at 63%. But the prices are more than double. What a scam this hobby has turned out to be.
At this point, we have no one but ourselves to blame. If you are willing to spend a $500 premium for these GPUs that are only 15% faster than the previous gen then Nvidia and these AIBs dont have a choice but to charge these prices.
Looking at tech powerup, when i upgraded from my 2080 to 3080, i got on average 66% more performance. Going from 3080 to 5080, im looking at 63%. But the prices are more than double. What a scam this hobby has turned out to be.
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Yerd
Member
Well, I broke down and ordered everything I needed to build a new PC, except a video card.
I have this secondary PC with a 3080 that I never use, that I might just steal that for the time being. My current 3090 is on water with a CPU in the loop, and I'm not sure I feel like flip flopping tubes and connections around to run just the GPU. I definitely don't feel like re-attaching the stock cooler.
I have this secondary PC with a 3080 that I never use, that I might just steal that for the time being. My current 3090 is on water with a CPU in the loop, and I'm not sure I feel like flip flopping tubes and connections around to run just the GPU. I definitely don't feel like re-attaching the stock cooler.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Boo Who?
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Soodanim
Member
Do you have a Deck, or did I make that up?
Topher
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I used to, but I never used it very much so I sold it. Might look into getting a cheaper used one for the time being.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
If any of you are in the Dallas area and need a new GPU my local Microcenter has 18 5070 Ti's for $839, which is about as close to MSRP as you will get.
www.microcenter.com
I do not like the 5000 series and struggle to recommend it, but if you absolutely need a 5000 series and will not buy AMD (there are none available anyway) then this is easily the best you can do.
MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Shadow 3X Overclocked Triple Fan 16GB GDDR7 PCIe 5.0 Graphics Card - Micro Center
Get it now! MSI SHADOW brings a performance-focused design that delivers the gaming experience players want, making it the ideal choice when upgrading or building a gaming rig.
I do not like the 5000 series and struggle to recommend it, but if you absolutely need a 5000 series and will not buy AMD (there are none available anyway) then this is easily the best you can do.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You can get much better deals on used Rog Allys or Legion Go's.
Just install Bazzite on them and you effectively have a much more powerful Steamdeck,
Topher
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Yeah, I'll see what is available when the time comes. I may wait and see how the newer Z2 Extreme processors are.
GreatnessRD
Member
$840 for a 70 series GPU... gross. We've definitely lost the plot as consumers. Just hate to see it, lmaoIf any of you are in the Dallas area and need a new GPU my local Microcenter has 18 5070 Ti's for $839, which is about as close to MSRP as you will get.
MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Shadow 3X Overclocked Triple Fan 16GB GDDR7 PCIe 5.0 Graphics Card - Micro Center
Get it now! MSI SHADOW brings a performance-focused design that delivers the gaming experience players want, making it the ideal choice when upgrading or building a gaming rig.
I do not like the 5000 series and struggle to recommend it, but if you absolutely need a 5000 series and will not buy AMD (there are none available anyway) then this is easily the best you can do.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Its much better than the $900-$1000 prices we've seen. I agree, it isn't a great deal, but its the least worst non-launch deal I've seen.
OverHeat
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Nvidia streaming service is awesome if you want to play your PC games