Makoto-Yuki
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ryzen master has always been so buggy for me. i don't use it. i do everything in bios
"I Need a New PC!" 2024-2025. 240 Hz OLEDs, PCI-Gen5, Path Tracing & Ray Reconstruction.
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Soodanim
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I could use some guidance and advice please.
Since I got my 9070XT I need to get the rest of my new build. I'll be honest: I was not expecting a near £2k build. The current list is mostly just popular parts from PCPP, so this is where the refinement comes in.
Usage overview
1440p gaming, very little else. Dual boot of W11/Linux. Current monitors are 180hz, no 4K TV. I like the idea of efficiency, not raw power. Will undervolt the GPU for certain, haven't thought about the rest.
Current thoughts
CPU Might be overkill. Need to check benchmarks. I'm torn because I stuck with my Intel CPU for 12 years so a good CPU is an investment there, but with AMD I could always upgrade a few years from now if needed. Is 9800X3D £150 better than 9700X? 7800X3D is essentially pointless, if I'm going to spend £390 I might as well spend the extra £60 for 9800X3D.
Cooler If it does the job without being loud I'm happy. I've heard of Peerless Assassin. Current is a 212 Evo.
Mobo Most help needed here. Not sure who's good and who isn't, but I know some have had issues (ASRock maybe?). These are all much more expensive than I expected.
Memory Current is Corsair LP, so threw Corsair in again. But I don't want RGB so happy to pick a reasonably priced yet reliable alternative. I also want to find recommended/compatible RAM that doesn't cause the minute long post times, that would annoy me.
Storage The logic behind 2x P3 is a W11 drive and a Linux drive with plenty of room for game installs on the Linux drive. With FSR4 not being on Linux yet maybe I could hold off until a sale. Thinking about it, 1TB for W11 seems more than enough for a system drive. MX500x2 are ~1 year old drives that will come with me and currently are a dedicated games drive and an all purpose data drive. Might need to have a think about this.
Case Will probably swap out if this doesn't have dust filters. Current is Fractal R4.
PSU I want reliable and quiet. I vaguely remember advice being to aim for about half capacity at load, which this doesn't achieve with ~250W to spare, but I don't know if that's legitimate advice.
Since I got my 9070XT I need to get the rest of my new build. I'll be honest: I was not expecting a near £2k build. The current list is mostly just popular parts from PCPP, so this is where the refinement comes in.
Usage overview
1440p gaming, very little else. Dual boot of W11/Linux. Current monitors are 180hz, no 4K TV. I like the idea of efficiency, not raw power. Will undervolt the GPU for certain, haven't thought about the rest.
Current thoughts
CPU Might be overkill. Need to check benchmarks. I'm torn because I stuck with my Intel CPU for 12 years so a good CPU is an investment there, but with AMD I could always upgrade a few years from now if needed. Is 9800X3D £150 better than 9700X? 7800X3D is essentially pointless, if I'm going to spend £390 I might as well spend the extra £60 for 9800X3D.
Cooler If it does the job without being loud I'm happy. I've heard of Peerless Assassin. Current is a 212 Evo.
Mobo Most help needed here. Not sure who's good and who isn't, but I know some have had issues (ASRock maybe?). These are all much more expensive than I expected.
Memory Current is Corsair LP, so threw Corsair in again. But I don't want RGB so happy to pick a reasonably priced yet reliable alternative. I also want to find recommended/compatible RAM that doesn't cause the minute long post times, that would annoy me.
Storage The logic behind 2x P3 is a W11 drive and a Linux drive with plenty of room for game installs on the Linux drive. With FSR4 not being on Linux yet maybe I could hold off until a sale. Thinking about it, 1TB for W11 seems more than enough for a system drive. MX500x2 are ~1 year old drives that will come with me and currently are a dedicated games drive and an all purpose data drive. Might need to have a think about this.
Case Will probably swap out if this doesn't have dust filters. Current is Fractal R4.
PSU I want reliable and quiet. I vaguely remember advice being to aim for about half capacity at load, which this doesn't achieve with ~250W to spare, but I don't know if that's legitimate advice.
GHG
Gold Member
Just saw your post in a different thread related to this so thought I'd chime in here.
This is what I'd suggest:
- Swapped the CPU for a 7700x - minimal difference to the 9700x, and if you're gaming at 4k then you'll see no benefit jumping to a 9800x3d chip when paired with a 9070xt
- Swapped the motherboard for a better one - imo MSI are the ones to go with for AM5, by quite some distance
- Swapped out the RAM for a CL30 kit, ideally you want 6000mhz CL30 for AM5. I run with 6400 cl30, but there are some specific tweaks required to get it running in gear 1 with AM5 processors - if that means nothing to you then stick with CL30 6000, it's not going to be worth the extra hassle/money for you
- Swapped the case for a similarly priced but better one
Soodanim
Member
Thank you so much for taking the time, this is brilliant.
That's the second time in a day I've seen MSI recommended for the board, there's a lot of negativity surrounding boards and MSI seem to be the only one some will go for.
I don't think I've ever looked into the benefits of RAM tweaking, so I'll probably stick with defaults where sufficient. I'm always open to possibilities, but from experience I much prefer tuning a GPU in an OS than going through the stages of tuning a CPU in BIOS.
I never want to be hasty and suffer buyer's remorse, but I wonder if I can get this all locked in this weekend.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
MikeM
Member
Can vouch for GHG. My build is a MSI B650 Tomahawk, 7600x, 9070xt, XPG 32GB cl30 6000mhz RAM and its been rock solid.
GHG
Gold Member
The TLDW is that there's zero difference between a 7700 and 9800x3d when paired with a 9070 XT and running at 4k resolution.
Still worth watching it for the intricacies though. Personally I think his channel has a lot of good resources for people looking to do new builds at the moment, also on the OS side of things:
Soodanim
Member
Not necessarily. This video is required watching for anyone building a new AM5 PC at the moment IMO:
Soodanim the video above should clear everything up for you.
Watched it, liked it. Good to know the demands of recent games and that I don't need to overspend to get a decent system.
Checked UK prices, and the 7700 from a reputable retailer (that I have used before) is only £25 less than a 9700X - does that change things in your opinion?
They're about half the price on AliExpress but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable taking that gamble.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yes, I love that channel. His recommended undervolt settings worked perfect for my 9070XT. Sadly I couldn't go lower (or higher) than -80mV. I went with a -20 instead of 30 and lost minimal performance while shaving off about 75W of power use.
However, I am using WIndows 10 LTSC and I am thinking I might switch to WIndows 11 LSTC as 10 isn't working as well as I hoped. Namely, HDR isn't quite working the way I like and some features straight up work better with Windows 11.
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GreatnessRD
Member
Save all of your pennies. You must have only the best, pops! 9950X3D + 5090 + Greed +Tariffs = Profit!
Topher
Identifies as young
ftfy
OverHeat
« generous god »
Sorry for your lost…
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Lol of course it did. People got all up in my grill for saying this but some games are CPU bound even before they get to 60 fps.
Especially if you were using trash Zen1 and Zen 2 CPUs. i caught so much flack for telling people to upgrade from zen 1 and zen 2 when they kept bitching about starfield being unoptimized. they cheaped out and fell for the wrong hype on those CPUs thanks mostly to idiotic youtube reviewers then called everything poorly optimized.
Try Space Marine 2, Starfield, Jedi Survivor, and other UE5 games. Early UE5 games are heavily single threaded and those zen 1 and zen 2 CPUs had lowish single core clocks. I had no issues running most of these games at 60 fps but people act like UE5 is the biggest piece of trash ever. All because they bought the wrong CPUs 4 years ago.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It's still a trashy engine.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
So RTX 5080s are selling for $1,400-1,600 in my local microcenter and bestbuy. I saw them just sitting on shelves a couple of weeks ago for several days but the economic uncertainty of the last couple of weeks made everyone just go buy them. Now they are all sold out again.
At this point, we have no one but ourselves to blame. If you are willing to spend a $500 premium for these GPUs that are only 15% faster than the previous gen then Nvidia and these AIBs dont have a choice but to charge these prices.
Looking at tech powerup, when i upgraded from my 2080 to 3080, i got on average 66% more performance. Going from 3080 to 5080, im looking at 63%. But the prices are more than double. What a scam this hobby has turned out to be.
At this point, we have no one but ourselves to blame. If you are willing to spend a $500 premium for these GPUs that are only 15% faster than the previous gen then Nvidia and these AIBs dont have a choice but to charge these prices.
Looking at tech powerup, when i upgraded from my 2080 to 3080, i got on average 66% more performance. Going from 3080 to 5080, im looking at 63%. But the prices are more than double. What a scam this hobby has turned out to be.
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Yerd
Member
Well, I broke down and ordered everything I needed to build a new PC, except a video card.
I have this secondary PC with a 3080 that I never use, that I might just steal that for the time being. My current 3090 is on water with a CPU in the loop, and I'm not sure I feel like flip flopping tubes and connections around to run just the GPU. I definitely don't feel like re-attaching the stock cooler.
I have this secondary PC with a 3080 that I never use, that I might just steal that for the time being. My current 3090 is on water with a CPU in the loop, and I'm not sure I feel like flip flopping tubes and connections around to run just the GPU. I definitely don't feel like re-attaching the stock cooler.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Boo Who?
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Soodanim
Member
Do you have a Deck, or did I make that up?
Topher
Identifies as young
I used to, but I never used it very much so I sold it. Might look into getting a cheaper used one for the time being.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
If any of you are in the Dallas area and need a new GPU my local Microcenter has 18 5070 Ti's for $839, which is about as close to MSRP as you will get.
www.microcenter.com
I do not like the 5000 series and struggle to recommend it, but if you absolutely need a 5000 series and will not buy AMD (there are none available anyway) then this is easily the best you can do.
MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Shadow 3X Overclocked Triple Fan 16GB GDDR7 PCIe 5.0 Graphics Card - Micro Center
Get it now! MSI SHADOW brings a performance-focused design that delivers the gaming experience players want, making it the ideal choice when upgrading or building a gaming rig.
I do not like the 5000 series and struggle to recommend it, but if you absolutely need a 5000 series and will not buy AMD (there are none available anyway) then this is easily the best you can do.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You can get much better deals on used Rog Allys or Legion Go's.
Just install Bazzite on them and you effectively have a much more powerful Steamdeck,
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, I'll see what is available when the time comes. I may wait and see how the newer Z2 Extreme processors are.
GreatnessRD
Member
$840 for a 70 series GPU... gross. We've definitely lost the plot as consumers. Just hate to see it, lmaoIf any of you are in the Dallas area and need a new GPU my local Microcenter has 18 5070 Ti's for $839, which is about as close to MSRP as you will get.
MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Shadow 3X Overclocked Triple Fan 16GB GDDR7 PCIe 5.0 Graphics Card - Micro Center
Get it now! MSI SHADOW brings a performance-focused design that delivers the gaming experience players want, making it the ideal choice when upgrading or building a gaming rig.
I do not like the 5000 series and struggle to recommend it, but if you absolutely need a 5000 series and will not buy AMD (there are none available anyway) then this is easily the best you can do.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Its much better than the $900-$1000 prices we've seen. I agree, it isn't a great deal, but its the least worst non-launch deal I've seen.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Nvidia streaming service is awesome if you want to play your PC games
demented waffle
Gold Member
Ended up biting and getting the MSI Ventus x3 oc for 899.99 off MSI's store. It ended up 20 bucks cheaper than the 849 one I could've gotten off newegg due to free delivery and no sales tax. Sucks, but it is what it is.
GreatnessRD
Member
What were you using before the 5070 Ti (As I assume that's what you spend $900 on)
demented waffle
Gold Member
I ended up canceling it, the damn thing is 40.9 DB under gaming load. Fuck that. It was a 5070ti, ya. I'll keep my 4070 for a bit longer, I guess.
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GreatnessRD
Member
I am happy to hear. Hold tight!
But also, your mileage may vary on the noise level. You might've won silicon lottery, haha.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Something interesting happened yesterday...
I went into my local Microcenter and they had several 5070 Tis for $799 from Zotac....so I bought it and will be returning my $750 9070XT to Amazon for use in my HTPC.
WHy did I do such a thing?
One simple reason: nvidia GPUs allow for me to pass my HDMI signal through my receiver. AMD GPUs (I have tried several) do not without disabling ALLM and VRR, which are compromises that are 100% unacceptable. No idea why AMD GPUs have this issue.
It's a shame really as the 9070XT really is an outstanding GPU and FSR4 (when I could use it) was really truly revolutionary compared to FSR3.
Had I bought the 9070XT for $599 MSRP, would I have made this exchange? No. The 5070 Ti is a better GPU, but not at the $750 MSRP.
The main reason I bought the 9070XT was to to use Bazzite/SteamOS, but I discovered after that fact that I could not use HDMI 2.1 and that basically forced me to go back to Windows, which completely nullified the biggest reason for buying an AMD GPU, in addition to not wanting to support nvidia. We will see how Linux support improves with nvidia.
On the brightside, the 9070XT I returned should eventually end up in the hands of a gamer.
I went into my local Microcenter and they had several 5070 Tis for $799 from Zotac....so I bought it and will be returning my $750 9070XT to Amazon for use in my HTPC.
WHy did I do such a thing?
One simple reason: nvidia GPUs allow for me to pass my HDMI signal through my receiver. AMD GPUs (I have tried several) do not without disabling ALLM and VRR, which are compromises that are 100% unacceptable. No idea why AMD GPUs have this issue.
It's a shame really as the 9070XT really is an outstanding GPU and FSR4 (when I could use it) was really truly revolutionary compared to FSR3.
Had I bought the 9070XT for $599 MSRP, would I have made this exchange? No. The 5070 Ti is a better GPU, but not at the $750 MSRP.
The main reason I bought the 9070XT was to to use Bazzite/SteamOS, but I discovered after that fact that I could not use HDMI 2.1 and that basically forced me to go back to Windows, which completely nullified the biggest reason for buying an AMD GPU, in addition to not wanting to support nvidia. We will see how Linux support improves with nvidia.
On the brightside, the 9070XT I returned should eventually end up in the hands of a gamer.
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
So what happened to this Leonidas geezer?
OverHeat
« generous god »
Like Intel CPU he bursted into flames
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
It's better to burn out than to fade away, until then just shill all day
flying_sq
Member
The NYC Microcenter basically have all the 5070 ti in stock, they have them from $750-1k. If someone is will to trust a random stranger on the internet, I can pick up a GPU and ship it anywhere.If any of you are in the Dallas area and need a new GPU my local Microcenter has 18 5070 Ti's for $839, which is about as close to MSRP as you will get.
MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Shadow 3X Overclocked Triple Fan 16GB GDDR7 PCIe 5.0 Graphics Card - Micro Center
Get it now! MSI SHADOW brings a performance-focused design that delivers the gaming experience players want, making it the ideal choice when upgrading or building a gaming rig.
I do not like the 5000 series and struggle to recommend it, but if you absolutely need a 5000 series and will not buy AMD (there are none available anyway) then this is easily the best you can do.
https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=4294966937&NTK=all&sortby=pricehigh
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
He's had a few people taking over his shilling duties on the nvidia side.
Topher
Identifies as young
Going ahead and building a new PC. Kept my 9070 XT as my son's GPU was still good. Gave him my case rather than trying to transfer it all to his old case and just moved his old SSDs over.
So here is the new build to go along with the 9070 XT and my two SSDs.
Gigabyte B850M Aorus Elite mATX
Lian Li A3 mATX
Thermalright Frozen Prism 360 AIO
Ryzen 7 9700X 8 Core
32GB 6400MHz DDR5
Corsair RM850x PSU
Going mATX. Was considering ITX but the cost is a bit absurd. mATX is a bit more compact, but cost is comparable to full ATX. Absolutely no RGB or lighting of any kind. No interest in a light show.
Pic of the case:
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OverHeat
« generous god »
Nice case!!! Happy for you that you decided to rebuild…that's a really good system IMOGoing ahead and building a new PC. Kept my 9070 XT as my son's GPU was still good. Gave him my case rather than trying to transfer it all to his old case and just moved his old SSDs over.
So here is the new build to go along with the 9070 XT and my two SSDs.
Gigabyte B850M Aorus Elite mATX
Lian Li A3 mATX
Thermalright Frozen Prism 360 AIO
Ryzen 7 9700X 8 Core
32GB 6400MHz
Corsair RM850x PSU
Going mATX. Was considering ITX but the cost is a bit absurd. mATX is a bit more compact, but cost is comparable to full ATX. Absolutely no RGB or lighting of any kind. No interest in a light show.
Pic of the case:
Topher
Identifies as young
Thanks. Think it is a good balance without breaking the bank.
Price tag for all that was just over a grand before tax.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
That case and that build is amazing. Although I did switch from it to a Fractal Ridge and an ITX mobo.Going ahead and building a new PC. Kept my 9070 XT as my son's GPU was still good. Gave him my case rather than trying to transfer it all to his old case and just moved his old SSDs over.
So here is the new build to go along with the 9070 XT and my two SSDs.
Gigabyte B850M Aorus Elite mATX
Lian Li A3 mATX
Thermalright Frozen Prism 360 AIO
Ryzen 7 9700X 8 Core
32GB 6400MHz
Corsair RM850x PSU
Going mATX. Was considering ITX but the cost is a bit absurd. mATX is a bit more compact, but cost is comparable to full ATX. Absolutely no RGB or lighting of any kind. No interest in a light show.
Pic of the case:
Topher
Identifies as young
I was eyeing that fractal ridge man. Such a sleek design. Had to make some cuts to fit in my budget though so ITX was one of them.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Since I replaced my 9070Xt with a 5070 Ti I will keep a close eye on Linux support. From what I gather nvidia has made significant strides improving Linux performance.
If we get to a point where Bazzite can run games within 10% of windows performance I will switch back to Linux.
If we get to a point where Bazzite can run games within 10% of windows performance I will switch back to Linux.
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm curious why you switched to 5070 ti over 9070 XT
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I hate myself for it. But here is why:
1. Lack of HDMI 2.1 support in Linux forced me to abandon my bazzite/SteamOS home theater setup. I have my PC setup in my living room. So I had to switch back to Windows and it's fine, but AMD drivers in Linux are on par and in many cases better in Linux. But not using Linux basically took away my biggest reason for doing it.
2. I got the 9070XT for $750 on amazon. It felt like now or never. I found the 5070 Ti for $799 and I felt the better DLSS support made the small price premium worth it. If I had gotten the 9070XT at $599, I absolutely would not have upgraded.
3. AMD GPUs are not 100% compatible with my Onkyo receiver and I had to run it directly into the TV, while all my other components ran through the receiver into the TV. It was a minor hassle, but nvidia GPUs can pass through the receiver, still get GSync (yes GSync, not HDMI VRR), ALLM, 4K/120. It works pretty well.
I am hoping that AMD will get much of these issues worked out when it is time to upgrade my 4090 desktop PC.
Topher
Identifies as young
Gotcha. I lucked out and got my 9070 XT at $600 so I'm sticking with it. It has been great for me, but I can see how it could be problematic with your setup.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It was a great GPU, but the 5070 Ti is a little bit better in terms of performance. At MSRP, I feel the 9070XT is a better buy.
Also, the 5070 TI consumes less power and works better in an ITX case. Although I had undervolted my 9070XT quite a bit and dropped about 75W.