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2nd time I was able to do them all first try.
 
Everyone laughed when I said it'd be cool if Vivian was an off-field Ether anomaly character similar to Burnice, and it turns out I was totally right. Looks like she adds anomaly boosting with her core skill that essentially gives you bonus damage every time you trigger an anomaly. Looks like a BiS partner for Jane, again, exactly as I was hoping. Hell yea. Even more excited to pull her now.

 
Reizo Ryuu said:
It will change a whole lot, and it's not just gacha. Why do I need to spend 15 on COD points when the thing I want is ~11? These systems are deliberately built so you get stuck with surplus currency to drive you to purchase even more, not to mention obfuscating actual costs; just diabolical all around.
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Mmmm...
You know that monochrome changeable to polychrome and if leftover bother you - you just can dump them into poly heap and forget about it. And packs are spread enough to buy exactly what you want
This "15 for 11" is very overstated in modern gacha
 
Pejo said:
Everyone laughed when I said it'd be cool if Vivian was an off-field Ether anomaly character similar to Burnice, and it turns out I was totally right. Looks like she adds anomaly boosting with her core skill that essentially gives you bonus damage every time you trigger an anomaly. Looks like a BiS partner for Jane, again, exactly as I was hoping. Hell yea. Even more excited to pull her now.
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Based on leaks they deliberately nerfed Miyabi and Jane compositions as Phys and Ice multipliers are not great on core passive
 
Felessan said:
Better 50/50 than guaranteed 80
Fuck risk aversive crowd
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How guaranteed 80 is worse than 50/50? It doesn't make sense, especially if it's 100% like weapons in WuWa. Removing 50/50 will increase the chances of getting a character from the banner to an additional 25% - I haven't lost a single 75/25 in WuWa for example during all the time I've played and I'm completely F2P. Like, maybe I just got incredibly lucky, but it never happened to me in any other gacha with 50/50 system.

I mean, I guess I'll be okay with 50/50 ONLY IF the rewards will be tripled (at least) when it comes to ZZZ (rewards are absolute trash in this game for the wast majority of its content) soft pity will be lowered to at least GF2 levels where you're getting characters starting with 58 pulls iirc - I just checked all my pulls so far and sure enough, I got all characters at around 60 pulls, plus, GF2 is one of the best on the market when it comes to how many pulls it gives to you both standard and nonstandard, so it's not really an issue if you lose 50/50 cuz you'll get back to 60 relatively fast and you're getting currency to choose S rank weapons.

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So, about the 50/50 system, if they were forced to change it (which I doubt EU or any other governing bodies will do), they'll most likely just raise the hard pity from 80/90 to 130/140 or something like that, though I'm not sure if that's better than current affairs...
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miHoYo is the greediest and stingiest motherfuckers out there so in this case, yeah, I can totally see the numbers you've mentioned. Like, they already made W-Engines mandatory and locking them behind specific characters, so we can expect even worse things to happen in the future.
 
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Felessan said:
Based on leaks they deliberately nerfed Miyabi and Jane compositions as Phys and Ice multipliers are not great on core passive
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They did it for obvious reasons though. Even with the "nerf" it's still really strong along with Jane's insane Assaults. But yea they kinda made sure that you can't use her with Miyabi, for sure.
 
Agent_4Seven said:
How guaranteed 80 is worse than 50/50? It doesn't make sense, especially if it's 100% like weapons in WuWa. Removing 50/50 will increase the chances of getting a character from the banner to an additional 25% - I haven't lost a single 75/25 in WuWa for example during all the time I've played and I'm completely F2P. Like, maybe I just got incredibly lucky, but it never happened to me in any other gacha with 50/50 system.
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If they will remove 50/50, they will increase soft pity to 140, probably even to 150.
And it's net loss for players. Yes, you get char "guaranteed" but at much higher cost.
Thinking that company will abolish chance without compensating it somewhere else that total would be the same is a bit naive.

And underdogs try to appeal with better chances because they are underdogs, they can't win face to face. And it's not like Mihoyo really threatened by them by now.
 
Felessan said:
And underdogs try to appeal with better chances because they are underdogs, they can't win face to face. And it's not like Mihoyo really threatened by them by now.
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Ha, furthermore, they just don't give a fuck not matter what, just like Nintendo don't give a fuck about anything. They'll continue to do the worst they could possibly can completely ignoring all constructive criticism about their business practices. It is sad to see, but Kuro is going the same way as these two and instead of making end game better and not complete trash (about which people complained since launch), they're not only not changing it, but continue to make it even worse as well as plaguing events with all this combat trash from the end game.

The times where I had hope for a change a long gone and it's pointless at this point to waste my breath and try to do something that would make them change via surveys. I'll just play better games instead and will try to support what they're doing cuz they deserve being supported:messenger_relieved:
 
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Pejo said:
Everyone laughed when I said it'd be cool if Vivian was an off-field Ether anomaly character similar to Burnice, and it turns out I was totally right. Looks like she adds anomaly boosting with her core skill that essentially gives you bonus damage every time you trigger an anomaly. Looks like a BiS partner for Jane, again, exactly as I was hoping. Hell yea. Even more excited to pull her now.

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Perfect! Vivian has been a must pull unit for me ever since she appeared in the leaks, and now that we can see her kit in action and how well she works with Jane, I want her even more, lol.

I'm really hoping to win my 50/50, else I'm in deep trouble. :lollipop_pensive:
 
Felessan said:
You know that monochrome changeable to polychrome and if leftover bother you - you just can dump them into poly heap and forget about it. And packs are spread enough to buy exactly what you want
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I dunno why you're arguing about a proven tactic all these companies employ, it obviously doesn't matter if it "bothers" me or you, or anyone else on this forum, the entire point is to put pressure on people who are susceptible to this tactic and take advantage of them. It's literally nothing but a good thing the EU is putting a stop to this nonsense.

And no you can't buy exactly what you want, that's the entire point of having packs.
 
Pejo said:
I would actually watch a Vivian SoL anime from HoYo's anime studio. This was really good, visually. Really excited to pull her in a few days.
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Same here! Some of the visuals and direction in this PV remind me a bit of Violet Evergarden (one of my fav anime that I've watched in the past 5 years).
 
Thick Thighs Save Lives said:
Violet Evergarden
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Loved the movie as well as the limited TV series that was released 2 years prior.

If it weren't for 2.0s Void Hunter, I could've pulled for Viv as I originally planed after her gameplay got leaked. But alas... it's not gonna happen during 1.7. Like, if I'm going to skip a character in ZZZ that I like, there has to be a really good reason for this and miHoYo simply gave me one:messenger_relieved:


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2.0 beta should start this week, so we can probably expect some gameplay leaks next week and at the end of this week official 2.0 characters announcements.
 
I like Vivian's story and her being Ether, which I'm totally lacking. I need her in my team. However, I dont like her design at all, very lazy compared to previous characters. Skip or not skip...
 
Angry_Megalodon said:
I like Vivian's story and her being Ether, which I'm totally lacking. I need her in my team. However, I dont like her design at all, very lazy compared to previous characters. Skip or not skip...
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I've heard this criticism a few times now. While I agree she doesn't have that metro-chic style that most of the characters have, I don't think her design is bad at all. She's going for the gothic lolita archetype, but how can you not love the rocket ass-blasters? I feel like her story is going to turn some non-believers too, based on the setup we have for her from past patches.
SSfox said:
Vivian's alright but there is no world where I replace my Yanagi
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Viv might end up being a pretty decent partner to Yanagi. Hell, any Anomaly character really.
Reizo Ryuu said:
Imagine passing on rachel alucard
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Won't be me, skipping
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Hell yes. HoYo pulling the plug on these lying VAs (in EN dub).
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Clean house now, I say. Anyone associated with SAG and refusing to do VA work (and lying about it) should just get booted and recast. It's not like we're talking Oscar performances here anyways, I'll get used to the new ones.
 
Got a Rina dupe (now M2) in 20 pulls since last S rank, got Viv at 60. Pretty happy with the results. And with that, I am now in save for 2.0 mode.

I wouldn't mind some Mindscapes on Jane but now just probably isn't the best time to pull for it, so I'll just hold strong and save. I like that event calendar they added in-game, makes it clear to see how long you have to complete stuff for slackers like me.

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A little over the top, but I like this theme for a Burnice costume:
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Also I forget who else in this thread liked Pompey's design, but there's now a Lighter mod to make him playable, admittedly without his badass motorcycle axe.
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Congrats Pejo Pejo on pulling Vivian! That Burnice mod is :messenger_fire:! Gotta drop this tweet I've seen a while ago.



Anyways, I'm getting ready to try my luck for Vivian during my lunch break in a couple of hours. I hope the Hoyo gods are merciful because I've lost a bit too many 50/50s lately across all their games that I'm playing... :lollipop_pensive:
 
So it looks like the hoyo rng gods have been merciful today. Won my 50/50 and snagged Vivian in ~70 pulls, and also got my Seth to M6. 😌

Now's time to start saving this whole patch for the new Void Hunter mommy. :messenger_smirking:

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The JP voice actor for Wise also pulled Vivian! 😎

 
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In the end I caved and got her at 80 or something.. Fun fact, the reason why I actually pulled for her was to get more copies of the A-agents, which I use regularly.

In saving mode now, since I'm not interested in the cute rat.
 
Congrats Thick Thighs Save Lives Thick Thighs Save Lives & Angry_Megalodon Angry_Megalodon on your Vivians!

I built mine up a bit and put her on a team with Jane + Caesar and it's really fun to play. Her anomaly explosions are really satisfying, and the way you weave in and out of using her on-field feels really good. Very happy with her, and that frees up Burnice for Miyabi's team for more disorders.
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If this is a preview of how future support characters will work, I'm pleased. Like it's not using her a lot, but it is worth swapping to her and the DPS gain is significant enough that you're not feeling like you're wasting time by doing it.

Might even go for a Mindscape or two on her rerun, depending on what the character landscape looks like at that point.
 
The new voices are complete dogshit, rina is barely passable but grace and koleda are just a soukaku change level bad, pretty much all of koleda's personality is gone; it's so weird because lycaon's VO is making a genuine effort, this now just feels like they had to replace a ton of voices so just went with speed over quality.

The new void hunter is basically azure empyrea fu hua.
 
Reizo Ryuu said:
The new voices are complete dogshit, rina is barely passable but grace and koleda are just a soukaku change level bad, pretty much all of koleda's personality is gone; it's so weird because lycaon's VO is making a genuine effort, this now just feels like they had to replace a ton of voices so just went with speed over quality.

The new void hunter is basically azure empyrea fu hua.
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Rina doesn't sound much different to me. Grace sounds very cheap. And since I couldn't stand Koleida's voice at all, everything is an improvement.
 
I haven't done the new story stuff yet, so I don't know if those 3 get more talking parts in there or what, but just from battle lines I think they're fine. I didn't feel strongly towards any of them in particular to begin with though. Soukaku is still the only voice change that I feel was a total downgrade.

Anyways, I found this translated dev interview talking a bit more about character buffs and some misc stuff.

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So at least on paper it sounds like the devs really want to try to keep older characters competitive with the newer ones. I mean, one way would be to stop HP bloat, but then the new characters aren't as attractive if they're doing the same damage as the old ones, so that's a problem in and of itself with the gacha model.
 
Pejo said:
so I don't know if those 3 get more talking parts in there or what
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just open any of koleda's trust cutscenes, and proceed to vomit.

Anyway I did go through the story already and enjoyed it, vivian and hugo are both great and the finale sets up some more major things for the proxies, so we are definitely heading into 2.0 with a bang.
Will also try to get hugo because I like the way he plays, and he can specifically change the team dynamic playstyle like astra has if you want to focus on his "totalise" damage".
 
Used 82 Tapes on Zhu Yuan and did not get her, then I was out of Poly.
So now I did the story and this boring flower event and got maybe 8 Tapes out of it? Then I did Shinryu Defense until Trial 5 and got all together like 14 Tapes.
Used it on Jane Doe, lost 50/50 and now I have 0 Polychromes. So what am I suppose to do now? Everything in this game gives SO shitty Polychromes I can't believe this. I never once pulled for the Characters W-Engine and still on 0 Poly now LOL
 
Got Vivian and her W engine.
Thinking about who's to pair her with. Don't want it to be Miyabi as she already takes most screen time and Yanagi is perma Miyabi slave. So probably will put her with Jane and wait future chars.

Yixuan introduction is fantastic

Thick Thighs Save Lives said:
These yandere girls, man... there's no fixing her, but I don't think I want to anyway. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
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She is just hardcore fan, not yandere, at least for now
 
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1.7 Story is the most boring one yet. 1.6 was nothing special but I liked the dynamic between Astra and Evelyn. I actually had the impression that they were getting better with story writing, but apparently not. Hopefully they're saving everything for 2.0.
 
Spyxos said:
1.7 Story is the most boring one yet. 1.6 was nothing special but I liked the dynamic between Astra and Evelyn. I actually had the impression that they were getting better with story writing, but apparently not. Hopefully they're saving everything for 2.0.
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I mean with Star Rail, they seem to typically phone it in story-wise in the last patch before the big update. The 2.6 update with Rappa was very blatant with, "look, we're all ready to head to the new planet, you know it and I know it. So here's some random shit about monkeys while we work on finishing up 3.0" (but to be fair, 2.6 involved a good deal of Boothill, so I didn't fully hate it for that alone).
 
Doom85 said:
I mean with Star Rail, they seem to typically phone it in story-wise in the last patch before the big update. The 2.6 update with Rappa was very blatant with, "look, we're all ready to head to the new planet, you know it and I know it. So here's some random shit about monkeys while we work on finishing up 3.0" (but to be fair, 2.6 involved a good deal of Boothill, so I didn't fully hate it for that alone).
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Liked Vivian part and Yixuan introduction, annoyed by Hugo whining "I have a hard past" (it so unrealistic and targeted to coping crowd.. Grit as a psychological trait, as an ability to overcome extreme harshness of life, work completely opposite way - you just step over and forget, don't brood over difficulties, you'll lose). The MOST annoying part is that Mihoyo made many parts of his whining unskipable.
HSR is just an instant skip, it's a story for 14yo girls

PS. Story is always very subjective.
 
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Got a new PC recently, was not sure if was possible to use my ZZZ account created on PS5, but it is. Running at 180fps + mods. So far only got outfit mods for Trigger, Evelyn and Miyabi. Miyabi and Evelyn just small changes for they default outfits, for Trigger i got a First Descendent outfit, looks so good on her.

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nice, the framerate is too unstable for me at 4k (actually 4096x not UHD (3840x)) to go for unlimited FPS, so it looks much better locked at 60; to go high framerate I have to drop down to 1440p, but even at 1.2 render res it doesn't look nearly as sharp as 4k, though the motion is much improved.
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Not doing anything 1.7 has to offer (story, events etc.) until the very last day. Don't care abount BP, didn't even bought it this time and not planning to. There's literally nothing for me in 1.7 except rewards cuz I liked Anby and Trigger's character stories in 1.6 far more. 1.7 for me is 90% of the time doing dailes and double mat drops.

Pejo said:
Anyways, I found this translated dev interview talking a bit more about character buffs and some misc stuff.
So at least on paper it sounds like the devs really want to try to keep older characters competitive with the newer ones. I mean, one way would be to stop HP bloat, but then the new characters aren't as attractive if they're doing the same damage as the old ones, so that's a problem in and of itself with the gacha model.
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We'll see if they'll actually deliver.

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miHoYo will be giving away 1 S rank chracter and 1 S rank W-Engine (both from 1.0 so it's the shitty part:messenger_weary:) in 2.0 + 30 pulls (2 logins + 1600 polys) - for character banners.

As I preddicted, panda is huge and slow af defense character, will never use him.



Ju Fufu looks cool, love her personality and her combat kit reminds me Lumi a bit, except she can't run around and bounce on her... whatever it is and launch a giant version of it at enemies.





We'll be able to costumize how MCs will look, individual parts of their costume, there won't be paid skins for them.

Yixuan is not a Void Hunter, but she has unique title (Grand Master) and will have unique variation of Ether anomaly - Auric Ink.
 
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