winjer
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Only when it hits the slower pool. And devs can try to control that by putting less accessed data there.
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Only when it hits the slower pool. And devs can try to control that by putting less accessed data there.
Considered the cost and how the bandwith is splitted in the CUs on base ps5, I guess the 28% of increase was the more "feasible" and "balanced".
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winjer
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Nonsense.
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Still.... with the same amount of RAM and more CUs hardly you can have enough space to higher graphic setting compared the base ps5.
based on what is a nonsense? your job experience? It's not a pc. The past generation they need to double the CU to not screw the backward, why do you think ps5 pro is still so conservative in the upgrade? Especially if just costed them 20 bucks more a better bandwith.
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Bojji
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Memory bandwidth is the biggest bottleneck for PS5 Pro (outside of 2019 CPU). Console is not exactly very balanced, just like with PS4 Pro Sony cheaped out on memory speed and it was released in "good enough" (according to them) state.
Panajev2001a
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It depends on how much they wrote PS5 Pro specific RT changes and what they were bottlenecked by… Unfortunately with mid generation console there is never a lot of budget set aside to max them.
Mr Moose
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As far as I am aware, there is no Pro patch for this game.
~31% here. In ER you can see 6800 that is almost 1:1 match with Pro destroys it in native 4k - probably thanks to L3 cache...
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
I thought the leaks said 2x to 4x for RT?
Bojji
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It doesn't matter, patched games show similar results. There are few games (patched and unpatched) that can be close to that 45% in certain sections but overall average across all games is probably close to that 30-33%.
For some types of calculations probably, but in overall performance? Nope.
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winjer
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That is not how things work.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Not completely true though. Callisto Protocol has a huge resolution boost and other games show a much larger improvement than a mere 30-35%.
STARSBarry
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Gaf can laugh and cry all they want about this game, but if theres one thing that AC Shadows does absolute top notch over pretty much most games, it's the weather/atmosphere and the seasonal changes. This game is a visual masterpiece and probably in my top 5 of all time visuals.
Not true, there's a major issue with the lighting engine. The male protagonists skin looks much darker than everyone else's, I have to switch to the female one otherwise it looks stupid.
The Cockatrice
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What not work. What is it this persistent smatterer tone
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Bojji
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It's hard to compare Caliisto when new modes are different than the old ones. Brazil checked unpatched version and got this:
So you are right, games that are not BW limited can go close to theoretical limits. Here we have ~59% resolution increase. This also confirms that native PS5 Pro version isn't really needed to utilize GPU 100%.
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ValiantInstance
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It's still running on RDNA 2 is it not?
The PS6 should have some very impressive lighting.
Skifi28
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It also features dynamic resolution which doesn't work the way it does for most games as it uses the extra GPU power for higher resolution instead of trying to prioritize 60fps first which is nonsensical. It's just not a good game to draw any conclusions as in true Fromsoft fashion, many tech decisions are just bizzare.
The hardware is just a huge disappointment, even compared to the conservative marketing by Sony. While RDNA4 as an architecture might be giving a 2 to 4x improvement in rt benchmarks, the way the console is designed is so unbalanced that, in reality, due to the bottlenecks, the pro never reaches the full potential of even its modest specs. Sony became so arrogant this gen that they decided they could sell a 40% hardware bump at near 2x the cost....even a 20$ addition of an infinity cache addition would have helped significantly, but nope they needed to milk that sweet profit premium due to there being zero competition in the market.
The sad reality is the pro is a woeful upgrade in compute and raster, even in its own touted transformative niche rt its a middling uplift, in ml it's the worst upscaler on the market outside frs2/3, barely any CPU upgrade and woeful support from even first party devs outside a possible 60fps toggle and its near double the price.. for the people laughing at the woes of xbox, they fail to consider that if xbox was competitive and came out with an oneX equivalent than Sony would not have given us this disappointing upgrade proposition.
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Let it go all out. Now you are finally free. Anyway it's not the sony arrogance but how the next tech upgrade will work: more AI based less real raw power. Cost are too high and the market will follow this path. Will be real tough the next future for people like you.
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Bojji
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They tested in quality mode where game has fixed settings and resolution (4k).
From Software engine are such weirdo mess I don't see even the point to use them as benchmark honestly.
My guy, you don't have to be Sony's paladin for a piece of plastic; they don't care about you or me. I have been an avid Sony hardware user for more than 2 decades. I have bought all the PlayStation generation consoles from the PS1 to the PS5. Even if you are a fan, that doesn't mean you need to act like a blind fanboy throwing shade on anyone who dares question the pro; you can still be impartial and call out a firm when they throw out a bad product or make decisions that move away from the consumers' benefit.
You don't have to be hysterical if you don't like the ps5 pro my guy. Buy a pc and let it go. I have a total different perspective than you about the ps5 pro hardware and it's no matter to be the paladin of Sony, it's not like who despise the ps5 pro it's the warrior of the truth and the others are just fanboy; you should stop with this stupid arrogant attitude it's really insufferable.
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"Let it go all out. Now you are finally free. Anyway it's not the sony arrogance but how the next tech upgrade will work: more AI based less real raw power. Cost are too high and the market will follow this path. Will be real tough the next future for people like you."
This was your post when I laid out the lacking aspects of the pro, I don't know if you're actually oblivious or just acting but maybe wind in your own arrogance and attitude before calling someone out on it.
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It's called sarcasm. Quite different to call someone fanboy or act as to know better than any other how to design an hardware, that's the arrogance who I talked eh. There a lot of missed engineers on the forum it seems.
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DenchDeckard
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Honestly, after playing this game and indiana jones. I don't want to go back to traditional lighting, it just doesn't compare in the slightest.
Bring raytracing on, as much as possible.
Im tired of cross gen games and studios not pushing the industry forward and utilising the tech we have at our disposal.
We need studios to push for this stuff as it is completely transformative.
The Cockatrice
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I'd add a huge asterix here as those two are good examples of RTGI and good performance whereas UE5 is a piece of shit in terms of both. Shimmering galore.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Well, yeah. I am talking about competent devs pushing the industry forward.
If we want to look at the sony hardware from the pc perspective, ps5 it's all full of bottleneck, let's no forget all the crazy meltdown before the launch (variable frequency, low cus counts). The thing is playstation hardware is quite customized in different stuff, so I'm leaning to believe Cerny did the best can do with such hardware. The ps5 pro could have a lot better bandwith? Sure, but doesn't mean the whole potential is totally wasted because it's how all work on pc. Also it's a 44% gpu upgrade, I could be wrong but I don't think it's absolutely necessary a wide boost in the bandwith with such minor boost in the perfomance.
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