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[Nocty]

one thing that is really pissing me off...

Spoiler

why the fuck did they have to make show ellie killing the pregnant chick an accident? the bullet passed through owen into her... in the game obviously ellie stabs that bitch in the neck and meant to do it.

Lots of annoying little pointless changes like this.

 

[Ulysses 31]

one thing that is really pissing me off...

Spoiler

why the fuck did they have to make show ellie killing the pregnant chick an accident? the bullet passed through owen into her... in the game obviously ellie stabs that bitch in the neck and meant to do it.

Lots of annoying little pointless changes like this.

You know why. They made TV show Ellie softer in an attempt to make her more likeable than game Ellie.

Shouldn't Ellie leaving Nora alive to turn also piss you off?

Or maybe they wanted to tone down the woman on woman violence for the show...

 

[EviLore]

Glad I stuck to the memes instead of watching the show.

 

[Hugare]

I think this season shows that Craig Mazin might be a hack as a writter

Looked up his filmography. Besides Chernobyl, he wrote The Hangover movies, Superhero Movie, Scary Movie 3 and 4 and some other terrible comedies.

He struck gold with Chernobyl, but holy shit he did some terrible shit in the past.

Season 1 was good cause Neil was also helping with the writting. Ellie's birthday episode was the best cause Neil has directed and wrote it.

I blame it mostly on Mazin, but also on Neil for being fine with his work being demolished on screen.

 

[Nocty]

I blame it mostly on Mazin, but also on Neil for being fine with his work being demolished on screen.

I suspect that they paid him a considerable sum, enough for him to turn the other cheek at all of these 'improvements' they made.

Chernobyl was almost certainly a group of writers considering the extensive historical material that was used to construct the stories of the show, right down to the meticulously recreated history. No way one guy worked on that alone regardless of credits.

I am most annoyed with how much content appears to have been cut in favour of a shorter season - I do wonder how much budget this was truly given. Perhaps they were worried that Pedro Pascal was carrying the show and without him it was a high risk to invest in more seasons? who knows..

One thing for sure is that my normie non gamer friends are not feeling this season near as much as the last with one of them flat out bot bothering to watch after Joel's death. She said he was the only character she gave a shit about and without him she said 'it's just not that good'. Similarly, another friend said, simply, 'what happenned to all the zombies' and 'why are all the characters so dumb? why would they just let her go with her revolver sitting right there?' etc the list goes on

 

[DragoonKain]

I think this season shows that Craig Mazin might be a hack as a writter

Looked up his filmography. Besides Chernobyl, he wrote The Hangover movies, Superhero Movie, Scary Movie 3 and 4 and some other terrible comedies.

He struck gold with Chernobyl, but holy shit he did some terrible shit in the past.

Season 1 was good cause Neil was also helping with the writting. Ellie's birthday episode was the best cause Neil has directed and wrote it.

I blame it mostly on Mazin, but also on Neil for being fine with his work being demolished on screen.

Neil wrote episodes 6 and 7. So I think there's a lot at play here for changing things.

The biggest problem being the best thing about TLOU2 was the gameplay and the worst thing was the story choices and when you're adapting the story to TV, that's a problem. Especially when the game has the structure of splitting up the POV's and for TV it's going to have to be split into multiple seasons. So when you end Ellie's POV on a cliffhanger, it's 1000x worse than in the game because of the massive pause in between seasons.

I don't think season 2 is nearly as bad as a lot of people think. I think the game is better and I didn't even like the game that much. But games are always better than adaptations, it is what it is. But I'm also not going to say it's awful because i've seen some really awful shit and this is not that. I'd say it's above average TV, and a decent, but inferior adaptation to an overrated game.

 

[hinch7]

I think this season shows that Craig Mazin might be a hack as a writter

Looked up his filmography. Besides Chernobyl, he wrote The Hangover movies, Superhero Movie, Scary Movie 3 and 4 and some other terrible comedies.

He struck gold with Chernobyl, but holy shit he did some terrible shit in the past.

Season 1 was good cause Neil was also helping with the writting. Ellie's birthday episode was the best cause Neil has directed and wrote it.

I blame it mostly on Mazin, but also on Neil for being fine with his work being demolished on screen.

I don't know even if they got another show runner its hard to fix Neil Druckmaans direction for part 2. As soon as Joel left the picture the whole thing fell apart much like many of us predicted. And he refuses to deviate from the controversial story for 'art'.

Craig Mazin (and Hayley Gross) didn't do a good job for this adaptation though. The writing was awful all around apart from the scenes that were 1:1 with the game and the Jackson fight was pretty cool.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

I think this season shows that Craig Mazin might be a hack as a writter

Looked up his filmography. Besides Chernobyl, he wrote The Hangover movies, Superhero Movie, Scary Movie 3 and 4 and some other terrible comedies.

He struck gold with Chernobyl, but holy shit he did some terrible shit in the past.

Season 1 was good cause Neil was also helping with the writting. Ellie's birthday episode was the best cause Neil has directed and wrote it.

I blame it mostly on Mazin, but also on Neil for being fine with his work being demolished on screen.

Scary Movie 3 is, to this particular low bar of standards, the funniest in the franchise, to be fair.

Wigger dude Missile kicking a child through a window, Charlie Sheen and the attic "my balls! Oh, Jesus!" gag. The hood vs. the aliens...

Shit. It's actually amazing the same name is tied to both projects.

 

[DragoonKain]

They've shown title cards every episode, Seattle Day 1, Seattle Day 2, and Seattle Day 3... Not sure how you could miss it.

Season 3 will be Seattle Day 1-3 from Abby's perspective. It was clear that was going to be the case throughout this season and it's how they did the game except we went back and forth in the game.



Looks like they'll probably start filming next year, probably in the spring depending on actor's schedules. Bella has a ton of projects in the works but she's not going to be the main character of Season 2. Looks like Kaitlyn has more of an open landscape.

I googled and it said June 30th 2025. If that's true, we're getting it next year. I guess we'll find out next month

 

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[Mibu no ookami]

I googled and it said June 30th 2025. If that's true, we're getting it next year. I guess we'll find out next month

Don't count on that. Maizin hasn't started writing yet and Merced said she think it'll start shooting next year.

My guess is it'll start filming March/April of next year, and we'll get a December-March release.

Why are people pretending like this isn't memorial day weekend and tv ratings are always going to be lower on holiday weekends. If your mission is to be negative at least be honest and make logical arguments. You can already see where I said they were in trouble with having multiple holiday weekends on the release schedule as well as the NBA playoffs.

 

[DragoonKain]

Don't count on that. Maizin hasn't started writing yet and Merced said she think it'll start shooting next year.

My guess is it'll start filming March/April of next year, and we'll get a December-March release.



Why are people pretending like this isn't memorial day weekend and tv ratings are always going to be lower on holiday weekends. If your mission is to be negative at least be honest and make logical arguments. You can already see where I said they were in trouble with having multiple holiday weekends on the release schedule as well as the NBA playoffs.

Even if it wasn't the holiday weekend, the drop off in viewers would undoubtedly be because of no more Pedro/Joel and there's nothing that can be done about that. They knew people loved him before they greenlit the show and started writing and producing season 2. Hell, they knew especially so because of how much backlash there was for the game. I'm sure this was expected. I really don't think if they made Ellie more like the game it would've changed ratings that drastically. Can't underestimate how much people loved Pedro and Joel. Pedro was far and away the biggest actor on the show, and funny enough the second biggest is Jeffrey Wright and he doesn't get a ton of screen time.

They gotta kinda just live with it at this point.

 

[vagabond-]

shoutouts to my homie jesse not shooting ellie head in the finale. she was fucking annoying and acting like a child all the time in the episode

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Even if it wasn't the holiday weekend, the drop off in viewers would undoubtedly be because of no more Pedro/Joel and there's nothing that can be done about that. They knew people loved him before they greenlit the show and started writing and producing season 2. Hell, they knew especially so because of how much backlash there was for the game. I'm sure this was expected. I really don't think if they made Ellie more like the game it would've changed ratings that drastically. Can't underestimate how much people loved Pedro and Joel. Pedro was far and away the biggest actor on the show, and funny enough the second biggest is Jeffrey Wright and he doesn't get a ton of screen time.

They gotta kinda just live with it at this point.

Who was bigger than Sean Bean in Game of Thrones? Literally no one. I'd probably argue that the remaining cast of TLOU post Joel's death was more prominent than Game of Thrones after season 1.

It's yet to be seen whether the audience for the show is as reactionary as the game.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

one thing that is really pissing me off...

Spoiler

why the fuck did they have to make show ellie killing the pregnant chick an accident? the bullet passed through owen into her... in the game obviously ellie stabs that bitch in the neck and meant to do it.

Lots of annoying little pointless changes like this.

I thought in the game she stabbed mel in the stomach?

Edit: nvm she stabbed her in the neck

 

[lmimmfn]

Sounds like Season 2 is as crap as the 2nd game was...

I enjoyed the first season and game, I had no interest in anything beyond that.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

one thing that is really pissing me off...

Spoiler

why the fuck did they have to make show ellie killing the pregnant chick an accident? the bullet passed through owen into her... in the game obviously ellie stabs that bitch in the neck and meant to do it.

Lots of annoying little pointless changes like this.

They likely changed this because they weren't going to redo Abby finding the map that leads her to the theater.

Also with proximity in live action it's probably harder to believe that Ellie wouldn't notice Mel being pregnant.

You think it was a "little pointless change" but it was probably for the best.

In the game she means to stab her in the neck, but this was only after how things go down with Owen. The spirit of the scene is entirely unchanged but the beats play better on tv the way they did it. If anything it hits harder because Mel was way more innocent here. Though I think we could have had the dialogue where Mel is willing to give up Abby, that's a way worse change than how she gets killed, because Mel being willing to give up Abby is why Owen does what he does. Here it's not nearly as clear that he's picking Abby over Mel and the baby, which might weaken season 3.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Glad I held off watching this. I liked season 1 at like a 7/10 level and I was hoping that the show would fix the problems I heard about the second game. I guess it didn't. I do want to watch this but I'm going to wait for it to actually complete. I'm done with shows with multi year breaks, especially for shows I'm only mildly interested in.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Season 1 was incredible.

Season 2 was garbage. It's amazing how quickly it became apparent that Ramsey cannot carry the show. Also disagreed with most of the story changes, though it's obvious why they did some of them. I don't know why, but they're trying to make Ellie less hardened and more of a vulnerable goofball.

 

[Von Hugh]

Jesus christ this season sucks

 

[DragoonKain]

Who was bigger than Sean Bean in Game of Thrones? Literally no one. I'd probably argue that the remaining cast of TLOU post Joel's death was more prominent than Game of Thrones after season 1.

It's yet to be seen whether the audience for the show is as reactionary as the game.

I think GOT was a lot different because it had way more integral characters and I'd actually argue Pedro in 2025 is hotter than Sean Bean was when GOT aired. Pedro is one of the most popular actors going right now, he's in everything. Sean Bean was in a lot of stuff in the 2000's and even into the 2010's, but he never really was a main character in most stuff. I think losing Joel and Pedro is much more impactful to ratings than losing Sean Bean and Ned was.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I think GOT was a lot different because it had way more integral characters and I'd actually argue Pedro in 2025 is hotter than Sean Bean was when GOT aired. Pedro is one of the most popular actors going right now, he's in everything. Sean Bean was in a lot of stuff in the 2000's and even into the 2010's, but he never really was a main character in most stuff. I think losing Joel and Pedro is much more impactful to ratings than losing Sean Bean and Ned was.

No dice. Sean Bean was just coming off the popularity of Lord of the Rings, National Treasure, Troy, and even Percy Jackson... Him being in Game of Thrones was a massive get and he was really the only well known actor in the entire first season.

TLOUP2 has WAY more known actors and accomplished actors.

Bella Ramsey - Emmy nominated for TLOU Season 1
Jeffery Wright - Oscar nominated, Bond, West World, Hunger Games, The Batman
Young Mazino - Emmy nominated for The Beef
Isabella Merced - Dora the Explorer
Kaitlyn Dever - Booksmart, Emmy nominations for Unbreakable, Dopesick
Danny Ramirez - Top Gun Maverick, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Captain America Brave New World
Tati Gabrielle - You, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina

4 emmy nominations and 1 oscar nomination

You have a fairly stacked cast you had nothing even remotely close in Game of Thrones and no one cared.

Pedro is in a lot of things right now, but he doesn't have much critical acclaim nor are any of his movies major successes yet. Wonder Woman 1984 was a major flop. He was in Narcos, Mandalorian (which had a bad 3rd season), TLOU Season 1, and he's going to be in Fantastic Four, which could easily bomb... Oh yeah, he was in the bad sequel to Kingsmen.

 

[Gamer79]

i cant watch the woke garbage anymore. It ended with season 1 for me.

 

[DragoonKain]

No dice. Sean Bean was just coming off the popularity of Lord of the Rings, National Treasure, Troy, and even Percy Jackson... Him being in Game of Thrones was a massive get and he was really the only well known actor in the entire first season.

TLOUP2 has WAY more known actors and accomplished actors.

Bella Ramsey - Emmy nominated for TLOU Season 1
Jeffery Wright - Oscar nominated, Bond, West World, Hunger Games, The Batman
Young Mazino - Emmy nominated for The Beef
Isabella Merced - Dora the Explorer
Kaitlyn Dever - Booksmart, Emmy nominations for Unbreakable, Dopesick
Danny Ramirez - Top Gun Maverick, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Captain America Brave New World
Tati Gabrielle - You, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina

4 emmy nominations and 1 oscar nomination

You have a fairly stacked cast you had nothing even remotely close in Game of Thrones and no one cared.

Pedro is in a lot of things right now, but he doesn't have much critical acclaim nor are any of his movies major successes yet. Wonder Woman 1984 was a major flop. He was in Narcos, Mandalorian (which had a bad 3rd season), TLOU Season 1, and he's going to be in Fantastic Four, which could easily bomb... Oh yeah, he was in the bad sequel to Kingsmen.

Gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm telling you, the number of people who tuned into TLOU just to see Pedro is a lot. I see it all over the internet and people I know personally who never played the games who tuned into see Pedro and love him or women who find him ultra sexy. I never saw into who tuned into GOT for Sean Bean or people I know personally who watched because of Sean Bean. And Joel is more of a main character to TLOU than Ned is to GOT anyway. Joel is one of two main protagonists. At least in TLOU1. And 2 before he dies. GOT doesn't really have one main protagonist. It just has a lot of characters they throw at you. Ned Stark was one of many.

If there is a drastic ratings drop, I really don't think it has anything to do with the commonly heard complaints, because people were complaining about much of those same things in season 1. And I also don't think it's a coincidence the ratings fell off for this season after episode 2, which had the highest ratings of the season. And what episode had the second highest rating? You guessed it, episode 6. With Joel. The 3 highest rated episodes of the season all had Pedro in it.

 

[viveks86]

Of all the takes I'm seeing online, the one that I found most hilarious is people calling Ellie a MONSTER for not performing an emergency c-section to save an indeterminately premature baby. Like… that was the last straw? Nothing before that made you want to jump off this runaway revenge train?

 

[ZehDon]

... Why are people pretending like this isn't memorial day weekend and tv ratings are always going to be lower on holiday weekends. If your mission is to be negative at least be honest and make logical arguments. You can already see where I said they were in trouble with having multiple holiday weekends on the release schedule as well as the NBA playoffs.

Actually, I do believe it's the opposite: holiday weekends usually result in a bump in TV ratings. More free time to watch TV, especially on-demand. They might have lost out to competing viewing however, but I'm not familiar with the US's TV schedules.

 

[DragoonKain]

Read this in IGN's review of the episode and I think it was spot on, it touches on what I've mentioned previously about the decisions about Ellie's character.

But I find the choice to make her(Mel's) death accidental a curious one. What's meant to represent the lowest Ellie will sink in her quest for revenge is reduced to a tragic mishap.
Another example of this adaptation pulling its punches when it comes to moments of pure violence, numbing the impact of the story as a result.


We're made to feel some sympathy for Ellie in the show's version of this event, when really, it should be the point at which we fear her most. She should feel like a lost cause, not like a lost child stumbling into a horror movie. She can't lie like Joel could. Not even a little white one to put Mel at ease. This moment acts in fantastic concert with the story of Eugene in last week's episode, but it's just nowhere near as effective in its overall execution, and another example of this adaptation pulling its punches when it comes to moments of pure violence, numbing the impact of the story as a result.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Just caught up on the last couple of episodes and this show just doesn't compare to the games in the slightest.

Also, some awful choices. One to try and make Joel look worse with the promise comment and that whole husband bit. And Ellie turning up to the island for 2 minutes to then head off in her boat like nothings happened.

Just some really clunky writing. Some bad acting. Jesse was terrible bless him.

 

[March Climber]

You know why. They made TV show Ellie softer in an attempt to make her more likeable than game Ellie.

This doesn't make sense as to what we've seen and where they are headed. The show is setting up Ellie to be as unlikable, illogical, and as childish as possible next to Abby.

Because this version of Ellie isn't a hardened, more mature, stone cold killer like the game, it will make even less logical sense for her to constantly put the people she cares about in even further danger after the consequences of her actions occurred in the finale. Furthermore, it will make even less sense at this point for live action Ellie to enter the final area/act of the game due to her not really being a killer and instead constantly sneaking around and running away to the point where her body count is almost countable on one hand.

I have already accepted that they're going to do a worse version of the 'protagonist turns into antagonist' trope with this show because that's the only way it can go forward based on how they've dropped the ball here when it comes to nuance. I have also already accepted that Abby is most likely going to have the better season due to them most likely wanting to expand the WLF lore and her being given a more heroic story.

I have been seeing some casual watcher takes on live action Ellie today and they are not positive. They are instead calling her stupid and selfish.

So that leaves the question, more likeable...for who?

 

[Gen.Grievous]

Sounds like Season 2 is as crap as the 2nd game was...

I enjoyed the first season and game, I had no interest in anything beyond that.

TV show is pretty good. I mean it's no classic by any stretch but it's really enjoyable to watch. I haven't played the games though so am neither a fanboy nor a hater. Being very familiar with the source material can really ruin a movie or TV show for you if you can't get past the fact that these are different mediums. I absolutely hate the wheel of time TV show because of what they have done with the characters from the book.

 

[damidu]

bella on track to be the miscast of all times honestly.
she is not ageing into the character at all and im not even seeing any quality acting either.

less of her in season 3 should be automatic plus. dever would carry the show much better.

 

[cormack12]

Druckmann realising he can't just just call everyone who dislikes the tv narrative for season 2 a bigot/racist etc.

 

[Cakeboxer]

bella on track to be the miscast of all times honestly.

Let's just say for a series, because Tom Holland deserves the movie spot for Uncharted.

 

[Hypereides]

Its mildly funny how this reception repeats itself. I wonder if it will make Neil and Halley reflect upon the story choices in retrospect and acknowledge their mistake. Will they? Probably not. This time around they can't pin it on those pesky gamers though. They'll have to live with the decision of spoiling an once promising franchise/IP.

 

[Nocty]

They likely changed this because they weren't going to redo Abby finding the map that leads her to the theater.

Also with proximity in live action it's probably harder to believe that Ellie wouldn't notice Mel being pregnant.

You think it was a "little pointless change" but it was probably for the best.

In the game she means to stab her in the neck, but this was only after how things go down with Owen. The spirit of the scene is entirely unchanged but the beats play better on tv the way they did it. If anything it hits harder because Mel was way more innocent here. Though I think we could have had the dialogue where Mel is willing to give up Abby, that's a way worse change than how she gets killed, because Mel being willing to give up Abby is why Owen does what he does. Here it's not nearly as clear that he's picking Abby over Mel and the baby, which might weaken season 3.

I wasn't bothered about 'how' she died in the sense of what weapon / method, it was more that in the game Ellie killed her intentionally (albeit arguably in self defense) but in the show, it was portrayed as an accident. That is a pretty big different intent.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Actually, I do believe it's the opposite: holiday weekends usually result in a bump in TV ratings. More free time to watch TV, especially on-demand. They might have lost out to competing viewing however, but I'm not familiar with the US's TV schedules.

Imagine saying something so unbelievably wrong where a quick google check could have prevented it....

I wasn't bothered about 'how' she died in the sense of what weapon / method, it was more that in the game Ellie killed her intentionally (albeit arguably in self defense) but in the show, it was portrayed as an accident. That is a pretty big different intent.

She didn't have the intent to harm either of them. Owen forced her hand, which is exactly what happened here...

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Show is just ok. Bella Ramsey is not well cast in this role, it doesn't lean in to her strengths as an actress.

Abbeys actress would have actually been a way better Ellie. Without the big star of Pedro pascal this show is just completely average. HBO production is very good as always but Bella comes across as very bratty, maybe that's the way Ellie always is viewed as some, but for me it's more genuine and authentic in the game, this comes across as too forced for whatever reason.

 

[cartman414]

It was intentional in the game, but in both cases (or at least in the game), Ellie hadn't realized Nora wasn't pregnant until after the latter was already killed. When she did, she was horrified.

 

[Ulysses 31]

So that leaves the question, more likeable...for who?

People who've played the game and found that Ellie too bitchy/snarky would be my guess. I agree a normie who just saw the TV show would probably think Ellie is not that likeable either but likely in the writer's mind TV Ellie is (a little) more likeable than game Ellie.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Its mildly funny how this reception repeats itself. I wonder if it will make Neil and Halley reflect upon the story choices in retrospect and acknowledge their mistake. Will they? Probably not. This time around they can't pin it on those pesky gamers though. They'll have to live with the decision of spoiling an once promising franchise/IP.

I do like how they attempted to make Joel look even worse.

Then every parent and .other watching this season when Joel delivered his reasons to kill everyone to save her because he loved her and they are all sat there like....

"Damn right he killed them all for her"

While we still have Internet people with no idea of being a parent, just a love for naughty Dog saying....

"Joel was a dick"

I know this has been covered before but I am sure the game even states that the cure isn't 100% positively going to be a success. They are going to chop up a 14 year old girl in the HOPE to find a girl.

Nigel completely fucked the second games whole plot and they know it....that's why they added the psychologists husband death.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Havent watched the series aside from a tiny bit of season 1, which I thought was boring. Or maybe I just missed the good parts.

Too lazy to read the thread, but is the reason why ratings tanked due to Joel getting killed? And viewers were pissed Pedro is gone? Or more to it than that?

Briefly skimming, it looks like the TV show has some differences than the game, but I dont think subtle changes would make a difference as anyone watching the show as a first timer wouldnt even know the differences with the game anyway.

 

[Critical Hit]

Chernobyl was almost certainly a group of writers considering the extensive historical material that was used to construct the stories of the show, right down to the meticulously recreated history.

Lol. It has similarities but "meticulously recreated history" is total bullshit.

 

[Nocty]

Lol. It has similarities but "meticulously recreated history" is total bullshit.

what do you mean? they literally re-wrote how major things happenned entirely..

 

[GymWolf]

Scary Movie 3 is, to this particular low bar of standards, the funniest in the franchise, to be fair.

Wigger dude Missile kicking a child through a window, Charlie Sheen and the attic "my balls! Oh, Jesus!" gag. The hood vs. the aliens...

Shit. It's actually amazing the same name is tied to both projects.

Strong disagree, best scary movies are the first 2 by far.

The sequels felt more like cash grabs without a soul.

 

[GymWolf]

I think this season shows that Craig Mazin might be a hack as a writter

Looked up his filmography. Besides Chernobyl, he wrote The Hangover movies, Superhero Movie, Scary Movie 3 and 4 and some other terrible comedies.

He struck gold with Chernobyl, but holy shit he did some terrible shit in the past.

Season 1 was good cause Neil was also helping with the writting. Ellie's birthday episode was the best cause Neil has directed and wrote it.

I blame it mostly on Mazin, but also on Neil for being fine with his work being demolished on screen.

Yeah at this point i think the dude is kinda of an hack and chernobyl was a one hit wonder.

 

[Critical Hit]

what do you mean? they literally re-wrote how major things happenned entirely..

So, "meticulously" is about "major things"? A catastrophe occurred, causing panic, and the government wanted to hide the reason why it happened. Ok, then.

 

[GymWolf]

I do like how they attempted to make Joel look even worse.

Then every parent and .other watching this season when Joel delivered his reasons to kill everyone to save her because he loved her and they are all sat there like....

"Damn right he killed them all for her"

While we still have Internet people with no idea of being a parent, just a love for naughty Dog saying....

"Joel was a dick"

I know this has been covered before but I am sure the game even states that the cure isn't 100% positively going to be a success. They are going to chop up a 14 year old girl in the HOPE to find a girl.

Nigel completely fucked the second games whole plot and they know it....that's why they added the psychologists husband death.

Drunkman recently said that the fireflies were about to make the cure, so he killed any ambiguity that made many people love the first game ending.

 

[DForce]

Its mildly funny how this reception repeats itself. I wonder if it will make Neil and Halley reflect upon the story choices in retrospect and acknowledge their mistake. Will they? Probably not. This time around they can't pin it on those pesky gamers though. They'll have to live with the decision of spoiling an once promising franchise/IP.

The reception is not even the same. The Last of Us Part II has been rated well by people who actually played it. It has a 4.5 rating on the PlayStation Store with over 100 Player Choice Awards in 2020.

I'm seeing a lot of people who are disappointed with Season 2, and at least 95% of them are from TLOU2 fans.

 

[Toots]

Nigel completely fucked the second games whole plot and they know it....that's why they added the psychologists husband death.

That tends to happen when Nigel is making plans for us and not the other way around

Drunkman recently said that the fireflies were about to make the cure, so he killed any ambiguity that made many people love the first game ending.

That is crazy that an artist would choose to lessen his art just so he can be right.

 

[DForce]

I think Season 3 will be better, but the problem is that Season 2 wasn't that good.



@26:00
Erik Voss does a good job breaking down The Last of Us TV Show. He enjoys the game, but you can see that he wasn't a fan of the changes.