HBO Original | The Last of Us | Part II OT | You Can't Stop This

i reckon the internet discourse dropped off a cliff because I haven't seen any good virality around this show being sustained. it's viewership has to be dog shit too.

another rings of power, the acolyte, she-hulk. there is no way this show last 3 more seasons.


Season 1
EP.1 - 0.588
EP.2 - 0.633
EP.3 - 0.747
EP.4 - 0.991
EP.5 - 0.382
EP.6 - 0.841
EP.7 - 1.083
EP.8 - 1.039
EP.9 - 1.040

Season 2
EP.1 - 0.938
EP.2 - 0.643
EP.3 - 0.768
EP.4 - 0.774
EP.5 - 0.652
EP.6 - 0.701

The Penguin
EP.1 - 0.242
EP.2 - 0.299
EP.3 - 0.365
EP.4 - 0.368
EP.5 - 0.385
EP.6 - 0.324
EP.7 - 0.384
EP.8 - 0.464

Succession
Average per season

Season 1 - 0.603
Season 2 - 0.597
Season 3 - 0.553
Season 4 - 0.705

Watchmen was a bit higher on average. There's no season 2 because Damon Lindelof believed he was finished with the story.

Despite the criticism, the show is pulling in solid numbers. A bit of a drop-off was expected after losing Pedro.

These numbers are only for cable and most people watch their shows on HBO Max.
 
Now the series has actually managed to make me cry two tears at the last moment. After 7 sluggish episodes, Mel's death really touched me. Or rather the fact that the baby is going to die... At least one moment in the whole season that triggered an emotion in me.
Shortly before that, however, I had to laugh - when Ellie confronts Owen and Mel in the game, you are afraid of Ellie even as the player. Ellie is so tense when she enters the room, and you don't know what she's going to do with them. And in the series, this small, knobbly potatofrog comes around the corner with this huge gun in her hands and looks anything but threatening... 🤣
 
I enjoyed the final episode (and the series as a whole) for what it is. I don't think it's a perfect representation of the games but it's nowhere near a disaster like a lot of people on here are making it out to be. It's still a well-made TV show.
I don't agree with the change of tone with Ellie's character and motivation being completely different. However, still an entertaining watch.

I'm just gonna replay the two games and not worry about it.

So did they film season 2 and 3 in one go or is it gonna be another long wait?
 
enough comments here about how bad the second season was, not much i can add to that

However one thing i want to say - is HBO just not a reliably good source of TV anymore ?

Look how some of their recent original shows, supposedly "prestige tv", turned out-
- Game of Thrones - monotonous from season 4, absolute shit in season 7 & 8
- Westworld - confused mess in season 2, straight up shite season 3 onwards
- The Last of Us - season 2 is a poorly written and poorly acted debacle

At this point, the only consistent thing they put out is John Oliver's show but that is because the execs seem to not have control over that one, John Oliver does

If i am wrong and have missed some other great shows that HBO has put out, i am happy to check them out
I think this is a very good point. Been having this same feeling. If you go back to the early 2000s pretty much any show they produced is an actual banger, that guarantee doesn't seem to be there in the same way anymore.
That said still some great shows like The Rehearsal, Righteous Gemstones etc.
 
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IIRC when the game came out, there were lots of complaints that Naughty Dog arbitrarily wanted to force the player to hate Ellie as well.

They got there via a different route in the show, but I think that's ok. No one likes Ellie now lol.

I do agree that the whole thing felt very rushed. Why did we need to spend 3 episodes in jackson???

I also had made my peace with tiny-Abby, until the show went out of its way for Isaac to wax poetic about how she's a once in a lifetime leader born to command.

It's like that yellowjackets lady from S1. I can be convinced, but it's gonna take some effort (and they certainly didn't pull it off in that first season sequence)…being roided out and battle-scarred can be a useful narrative shorthand after all, it turns out.
 
Season 2 was better than I expected. I think they tried to stay as faithful to the source material as possible while also correcting some mistakes made in the game (Not going back to Utah, making Abby look less like a man, doing nearly the entire second season from Ellie's POV before presumably switching to Abby for season 3). I enjoyed it.
 
Because they want people to tune in week to week and eventually come back for Season 3.

The first game/season had a bright center to it that people connected with: Joel and Ellie and their relationship. There's a reason Season 1 is largely a copy/paste job: it worked. I haven't played the second game, but we all know the second game killed that center - literally. What I've gathered from the online discussions is that about half the people who played the game didn't like it much. Chief amongst their complaints was that they were left with a fairly unlikeable lead in TLOUP2's version of Ellie. In fact, I've seen far more people enjoy Abby's half than Ellie's half. That's a real problem for the TV show because, unlike the game - where players had already put down their money upfront - the TV show has to keep people coming back. You can't expect people to stick around for hours and hours of grimdark with a largely unlikeable lead. Clearly, they wanted to avoid the whiplash that gamers were smacked with. So, to actually hold on to their audience, I suspect Mazin chose to keep Ellie closer to Season 1 of the show, someone returning viewers might actually recognise.
Of course, it would appear they're still trying to follow the structure of TLOUP2, where Season 3 will be told from Abby's perspective. I don't think that's a good idea, frankly. Once people realise the characters from the first two seasons aren't coming back for a long time, they may drop the show. I imagine they're aware of that, so I'd expect them to truncate Abby's story to catch it up quickly and then tack the end of the game onto the end of Season 3. And I can't imagine anyone will be happy when its said and done.
Then it shows the writers don't even understand their own audience and the dynamic of the game.

People didn't dislike TLOU2 because Ellie was dark and bloodthirsty. They disliked it because the Joel/Ellie dynamic was the best thing about TLOU1 and they took it away for a more shallow revenge plot, and they dislike it because they made Ellie less interesting and unlikable. You can have cold characters who are likeable. Among other reasons unrelated to Ellie, as well. They don't trust their audience. At all.
 
It is really hard for me to rank this season. On the one hand they are doing a lot of things perfect (environment, infected, Seraphites, WLF etc.), but on the other hand they are missing so many essential story beats of the game. Ellie is written so strangely. The whole "let's just reveal everything from the get go" is so stupid. And Dina is written so stupidly too. I really had to laugh when Jesse told her to shut up, because I thought the same thing every other time she talked in the other episodes :D

The way the dynamic between Ellie and Jesse is written in the show is also inferior compared to the game. And that is despite Jesse being portrayed really well. It is just because of how Ellie is written/how Bella Ramsey portrays her. Leaving the game aside, I really liked the scene with Mel and Owen and Ellie. But with Owen's ingame portrayal in mind I think it would have been much better if Mel would have also attacked Ellie in the show yes I know that Owen tries to disarm Ellie before Mel tries to knife Ellie). Owen was just done with Seattle by that point and wanted to move on, while Mel was the "stupid" part of the two.

Perhaps I missed it, but how does Abby find the theatre. Ingame it is because Ellie is leaving her map behind. But in the show?

Anyways, kudos for them for adding more infected, spores etc.. Clearly shows that they are listening to feedback.

One other thing I noticed: Mac Quayle is missing. This clearly makes things less grounded.
 
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I really really don't understand why the series has softed the dead of Joel and the Abby father. The violence it's still there in others parts but for some absurd reasons they removed it where they shouldn't; they have ruined the pathos of such scenes. This is inconcevaible to me. And this obstinacy to make appear Joel a bad guy who deserved it; the game sequel did it and the show even insist more to remark it. Completely a childish way to handle the narrative of the sequel. The show it's not completely terrible but they definitely ruined some important parts.
 
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For the people asking 'why the ellie scars scene?' which admittedly felt like a flat, side filler moment in the show, they are going to show 'Side-B' of what happened next season. Same with the Tommy sniper moment, the roof/crane, the sudden large number of WLF on boats, and Abby randomly showing up at the end. It's all similar to the game to where you're mainly getting one perspective until the other is shown.

The issue is that these things were done with such rapid pacing that the show felt like it was on fast forward.

I always thought the original TLOU 2 game was 'good ideas, bad execution' and this show unfortunately is 'good ideas, bad execution' from the game, which means that the audience is getting a watered down version of something that already had it's own problems.

I don't even know how to define that.
 
Season 2 has been a mess. Bella just can't pull off an adult Ellie and is pretty much insufferable in this adaptation. She's honestly so distracting to look at every time she's on screen. Which is a shame because near everyone else is passable to really good. Especially Jesse and Abby.

Not sure if I'll tune in for S3. Maybe watch it for the hospital and the
Rat King
and thats about it.
 
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Season 2 has been a mess. Bella just can't pull off an adult Ellie and is pretty much insufferable in this adaptation and honestly so distracting to look at every time she's on screen. Which is a shame because near everyone else is passable to really good. Especially Jesse and Abby.

Not sure if I'll tune in for S3. Maybe watch it for the hospital and the
Rat King
and thats about it.
I don't think the problem is Bella Ramsey. More the script of the character. Not seems to me a bad acting.
 
I don't think the problem is Bella Ramsey. More the script of the character. Not seems to me a bad acting.
I think its a bit of both really. But she also still looks like a wimpy 14-15 year old and acts even younger. Its just not believable at all that she could survive in that world literally going against armies of infected and factions alike.
 
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I think its a bit of both really. But she also still looks like a wimpy 14-15 year old and acts even younger. Its just not believable at all that she could survive in that world literally going against armies of infected and factions alike.
No offence but I don't see a terrible acting. She act following the script.
 
I think there will be fewer issues with season 3 because I think Abby is much easier to write for and her story in general is easier to write.

The worst thing about this season is how they handled Ellie. For example:

She watches Joel die in front of her. The most important person to her in the world. Then, when she heads to Seattle she has to be talked into revenge by Dina. I have no idea why they decided to put that in the show, but it made no sense. In no reality would Dina ever have to convince Ellie to get revenge. So then after being uncertain, Ellie flips a switch because she plays a guitar on a stage for two seconds and decides to go apeshit on Nora. But then she implies to Dina in the theater in episode 7 that she has big regrets about it. Then 20 minutes later she's so gung ho about revenge again that she decides to abandon Tommy and Jesse to go get it. Two people who mean the world to her. So she's having regrets, but apparently not big enough to not abandon Tommy and Jesse and risk them getting killed.

They don't seem to have a grasp on what they want Ellie's mentality to be.

This will not be a problem in season 3 with Abby. Who they made just like the game(minus the arms). And it will have the built in benefit of giving more context to WLF and the Seraphites war. But I don't get why they didn't handle Ellie the same way they did Abby. They kept Abby the same as the game for the most part, but decided to make Ellie way softer. And perhaps even worse, dumber.
 
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No offence but I don't see a terrible acting. She act following the script.
None taken. I just said she's terribly miscast. And that's even before we look at how badly Ellie is written in s2 (equally terrible).
 
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The writing and dialog is not good and I didn't like the lengthy expositions that just seemed out of place.

Nina and her repressed sexuality due to her family.
Jesse and this random girl he loves so he doesn't love Nina the same way.
 
Ellie changes her mind quite often this season and it gives her an aimless feel. That combined with her mood swings and unnecessary swearing makes her look like a child.

The world in the show does not seem as threatening as at least in the first game since someone like Ellie can survive in it with such an ease.
 
Rotating between Abby and Ellie is really good, I'm not criticizing a game tv show if it means there's a chance for more game tv shows. Crazy how many times Ellie almost dies.
 
Then it shows the writers don't even understand their own audience and the dynamic of the game.

People didn't dislike TLOU2 because Ellie was dark and bloodthirsty. They disliked it because the Joel/Ellie dynamic was the best thing about TLOU1 and they took it away for a more shallow revenge plot, and they dislike it because they made Ellie less interesting and unlikable. You can have cold characters who are likeable. Among other reasons unrelated to Ellie, as well. They don't trust their audience. At all.

You can thank Druckman for that, he actualy wanted to implement some of his idiotic ideas to Part 1 but Amy and Bruce kept him at bay, then without anyone to tell him no, he ruined the second game story wise. The gameplay is superb, tho.
 
Truly the largest drop off a show has ever done from one season to another. I found season 1 good. Maybe a 8/10?

This though is a 1/10. Truly a dumpster fire.

Edit: Star Wars fans can rest easy because even at its worst shows or movies it never reached this bottom.
 
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You can thank Druckman for that, he actualy wanted to implement some of his idiotic ideas to Part 1 but Amy and Bruce kept him at bay, then without anyone to tell him no, he ruined the second game story wise. The gameplay is superb, tho.

Amy didn't have anything to do with TLOU1.
Bruce only talked about some of Druckmann ideas being dark.


People keep repeating these lies. lol
 
People just like to hate everything nowadays.
I personally enjoyed this season. The obsession with the looks of Ellie is a bit weird, don't really understand how it can be so distracting tbh.

Converting a game into a TV series can't be a simple task, obviously going to be major changes to adapt for the medium.
 
Woof that was not a good finale for me. So many scenes just had me scratching my head. "Mad Ellie" is just obnoxious and stupid.

The ending too... I vaguely remembered a title card early in the season for "Seattle Day One" but I honestly have no clue how much time has past, or how far back we are going w/ the beginning of Season 3 apparently being "the Abby story we've left out."

I was super confused WTF was up with Abby this season and I guess now I know.. they were just leaving out most of it so they can tell us later lol
 
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Jesus Christ… the show is so bad and doubles down on all the worst aspects of the second game …
… that not only it makes me dislike the game in a hindsight but even the first game which has nothing to do with it. I have to convince myself in my mind to remember that first game was fantastic… because it was.
I liked the 2nd game and even the story because of how it made me feel but I can't remember that feeling now.

 
Awful scene to kick things off with Ellie and Dina, as usual. But then got really good, if not a little rushed.

Can't believe they're making the same retarded decision to tell Abby's story before getting to what happened at the theatre. Now everyone has to wait a year and 5 episodes, even worse than the 15 hours we had playing as Abby. How did nobody have the balls or brains to say that's not how you pace a story.
 
just lmao that whole scene where Ellie washed up on the island, 5 seconds of the cult and then... bang, at the acquarium brehs, nothing to see here.
 
Most of the non gamers I talked to liked it. They didn't like the cliffhanger, but they liked the season as a whole. They don't have the source material to compare it to. I thought before the season it could be the other way around because many would bail after Pedro.
 
I actually think season 3 could come sooner than people think. Don't forget the strike pushed back filming for season 2. Had it not been for that we probably would have gotten season 2 last year. I think we could get season 3 in like a year and a half or maybe a little bit under that if they really bust it.
 
Woof that was not a good finale for me. So many scenes just had me scratching my head. "Mad Ellie" is just obnoxious and stupid.

The ending too... I vaguely remembered a title card early in the season for "Seattle Day One" but I honestly have no clue how much time has past, or how far back we are going w/ the beginning of Season 3 apparently being "the Abby story we've left out."

I was super confused WTF was up with Abby this season and I guess now I know.. they were just leaving out most of it so they can tell us later lol

They've shown title cards every episode, Seattle Day 1, Seattle Day 2, and Seattle Day 3... Not sure how you could miss it.

Season 3 will be Seattle Day 1-3 from Abby's perspective. It was clear that was going to be the case throughout this season and it's how they did the game except we went back and forth in the game.

I actually think season 3 could come sooner than people think. Don't forget the strike pushed back filming for season 2. Had it not been for that we probably would have gotten season 2 last year. I think we could get season 3 in like a year and a half or maybe a little bit under that if they really bust it.

Looks like they'll probably start filming next year, probably in the spring depending on actor's schedules. Bella has a ton of projects in the works but she's not going to be the main character of Season 2. Looks like Kaitlyn has more of an open landscape.
 
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The episodes needed to be longer and there needed to be more of them. It felt like a highlight reel at times..

Some people criticize the game for being too long but it was able to breathe and be fleshed out while the show felt like it was rushing from point to point.
 
Oh no. It ended like this, so now we know S3 will be Abby's point of view.

I thought this season had better scenes than s1, but still. Bella is just terrible casting for this, impossible to ignore. The script is also bad most of the time. Also, season finale was really lame.
 
just lmao that whole scene where Ellie washed up on the island, 5 seconds of the cult and then... bang, at the acquarium brehs, nothing to see here.
Obviously it was just a means to show us the attack on the island but surely they could have thought of a better way.
 
The craziest thing, to me, is that HBO didn't greenlight seasons 2 and 3 to be written and shot at the same time knowing the structure of the story well ahead of time.
 
I hope Season 2 has been teaching HBO and Sony that the episodes everyone likes are the ones where Joel is alive

Episode 3 might be really unpopular if there are no Joel episodes

From the game, I think there are only 1 or 2 flashback scenes with Joel alive which haven't been used in the TV series yet
 
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