GamingTech - A Very Poor LCD Display / No Real HDR Support Switch 2 HDR, Tested On Display And In Docking Mode

GHG said:
Sorry GigaBowser GigaBowser , but round 1 goes to Gamer79 Gamer79
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He'll post another cyberpunk switch 2 video after seeing your comment. This time it's cyberpunk switch 2 vs cyberpunk running on the GBA. Switch 2 is a beast and a powerhouse confirmed.


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tl;dw

Portable mode
- No real HDR, barely 450 nits of peak brightness (on par with fake HDR IPS panels)
- LCD Screen has lifted Blacks (effect of cheap overclocked IPS panel), more or less on par with Switch 1 LCD
- Panel is probably 8 bit+FRC judging by the specs and the lifted blacks

Docked mode
- HDR 10 output
- System-wide calibration akin of PS5
- Lazy HDR in Zelda with bad tonemaping w/o contrast
- CP2077 retains black level problems in HDR from PC/PS5/XS
- Fast Fusion is best HDR docked experience so far
- You can force HDR in SDR games and it works somewhere in-between the PS5 always HDR and Xbox auto HDR. Switch 2 raises specular highlights to 1000 nits, some games like Prime Remake are limited by 400 nits in specular highlights (in-engine, I guess)

It's a nice and balanced video btw, enjoyed it.
 
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Obviously. A LCD is a LCD. You are not going to get a proper HDR experience with a VA or IPS panel without any sort of FALD or mini-led backlight system. Sure, the full screen display might get nice and bright, but black levels would be bad, and specular highlights will be next to nothing.

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
 
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ShaiKhulud1989 said:
Any attempts to call it out as clickbait are kinda funny cuz he showed a lot of objective control data (nits, tonemaping, etc).

This was way more informative than a lot of DF videos too.
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one opinion thousands disamgree say screen armazing


hat said, there is good news - the Nintendo Switch's 7.9-inch 1080p LCD is an impressive display. With an IPS panel that will deliver excellent color and clarity, HDR10 support for a wide color gamut, and VRR up to 120 Hz, it's a massive leap forward for Nintendo. Even better, the HDR and VRR are handled by NVIDIA G-SYNC, which is widely considered the gold standard for variable refresh-rate technology.

As part of NVIDIA's post about the NVIDIA GPU and technologies inside the Switch 2, it makes special mention of NVIDIA G-SYNC and HDR, which leads us to believe that the Switch 2's display will include a dedicated G-SYNC chip.

This means a lower threshold for when VRR "kicks in," so any games running faster than 30 FPS will look smoother and be more responsive. Also, G-SYNC allows games to run with minimal ghosting thanks to variable overdrive, which will update alongside refresh-rate changes. If a game on the Switch 2 handheld runs with a variable frame rate between 40-60 FPS, it will feel like playing the game at a locked 60 FPS. Also, for games that target the full 1080p 120 Hz mode of the display - you won't feel or see the difference when the frame rate fluctuates. And with G-SYNC enabled, screen-tearing is eliminated.
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ShaiKhulud1989 said:
Thing is, it's not nice and not very bright even for an LCD (iPhone XR LCD peak brightness was 700 nits years and years ago). That's the funny part.
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Compared to a regular OLED panel I mean. Some of them (not the newer ones) struggled to get a fullscreen brightness anywhere close to 450nits.

But you are right, even among standard LCD screens, the Switch 2 isn't using the best.
 
Robb said:
Do you have the stats for Switch(1), PSPortal, and SteamDeck LCD?

That'd be a more interesting comparison I think.
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In terms of quality, I think the ROG Ally X and Switch 2 probably use similar panels. Both IPS, similar sizes, 120hz/144hz, and 500 nits peak on the ROG Ally X.

So a decent LCD better than Steam Deck LCD, and Switch 1, but not anywhere the best available.
 
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For me it's simple : if it's anywhere near or better than the Portal's LCD screen I'll be a happy camper - that screen was really nice and bright and not once I thought "shit, wish I was playing this on my OLED C2".

Of.course it's not gonna be better coming from.a switch OLED or SD OLED,.having said that, yes, of course Nintendo did it on purpose as to milk us with the inevitable OLED upgrade 2-3 years from now.
 
Zathalus said:
In terms of quality, I think the ROG Ally X and Switch 2 probably use similar panels. Both IPS, similar sizes, 120hz/144hz, and 500 nits peak on the ROG Ally X.

So a decent LCD better than Steam Deck LCD, and Switch 1, but not anywhere the best available.
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Thanks, so it sounds like it's in line with the rest (?). Reading through this thread and watching the vid you'd think Nintendo was delivering something significantly worse.
 
In 2025 and for $450 this is beyond stupid. Wait for the S2 OLED in 2 years. I think my $440 certified refurbished Steam Deck OLED gets a 1000 nits in HDR and 600 nits in SDR.
 
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Robb said:
Thanks, so it sounds like it's in line with the rest (?). Reading through this thread and watching the vid you'd think Nintendo was delivering something significantly worse.
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Only worse in comparison to OLED. Or FALD/mini-led, but I don't think any handheld uses a panel of that type.

I think the biggest problem is not the quality of the LCD which appears to be ok, it's just that Nintendo is pushing HDR when the panel is not suited for HDR at all. But I guess that is due to them wanting HDR on TVs, and the eventual OLED refresh.
 
Little Mac said:
In 2025 and for $450 this is beyond stupid. Wait for the S2 OLED in 2 years. I think my $440 certified refurbished Steam Deck OLED gets a 1000 nits in HDR and 600 nits in SDR.
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iiiifffff it come is fake will cost $500 they still no lowers price of switch 1 lcd when oled come
 
Zathalus said:
Only worse in comparison to OLED. Or FALD/mini-led, but I don't think any handheld uses a panel of that type.

I think the biggest problem is not the quality of the LCD which appears to be ok, it's just that Nintendo is pushing HDR when the panel is not suited for HDR at all. But I guess that is due to them wanting HDR on TVs, and the eventual OLED refresh.
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...and the fact that higher brightness would kill the battery even faster 😉
 
Zathalus said:
Only worse in comparison to OLED. Or FALD/mini-led, but I don't think any handheld uses a panel of that type.

I think the biggest problem is not the quality of the LCD which appears to be ok, it's just that Nintendo is pushing HDR when the panel is not suited for HDR at all. But I guess that is due to them wanting HDR on TVs, and the eventual OLED refresh.
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It could've been be totally ok if not the price. It's the price of the device for such a puny and cheap display that left him (and me) dissappointed. It's not even a good LCD screen, just barely OK one.
 
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