Apple is reportedly planning a design overhaul for iOS, iPadOS, and macOS

Do you think Apple are moving towards merging MacOS and iPadOS?

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Apple is Reportedly Transforming the iPadOS 19 with macOS Features—Major Overhaul Coming This Year

Apple is reportedly transforming the iPad experience soon, focusing on macOS features coming as part of iPadOS 19's major overhaul.
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Hopefully they add more MacOS functionality to iPadOS while maintaining the touch friendly UI across the entire OS

Here's some Mac features I want on iPad…

- Better window management
- Better file manager
- Command line terminal
- File folders on homescreen/desktop
- Files on homescreen/desktop


Think I'd like would will unlikely get…

- Multi user support
- Sideloading outside of EU
 
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There's something weirdly dated about all conventional Apple UI/UXs, I can't even put my finger on what it is, but anytime someone hands me an iPhone or an iPad I feel like I'm in 2005, but faster.

Then again, Windows is abysmal too in other ways. Can't grasp how these trillion dollar companies can't juj things up a little. I appreciate there's a lot of legacy baggage on the back end but in terms of what you're interacting with, I find it very hard to believe they can't skin and present things in a nicer manner. Feel like there's room for a revolution in these things, but the few companies that got their foot in the door at the beginning just aren't interested in it and anyone who comes along at this point wouldn't have a chance.
 
All I'm asking for is FaceID on MacOS. It's been 84 years since we've been asking for this feature FFS.
 
maybe a universal back gesture or button?

whenever someone hands me an iPhone I am astonished how annoying it is to navigate that thing. one app goes back with a button top left, one with a button on the bottom, one with swipe gestures... it's insanity
 
kevboard said:
maybe a universal back gesture or button?

whenever someone hands me an iPhone I am astonished how annoying it is to navigate that thing. one app goes back with a button top left, one with a button on the bottom, one with swipe gestures... it's insanity
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Agreed. But that's all phones
 
Audiophile said:
There's something weirdly dated about all conventional Apple UI/UXs, I can't even put my finger on what it is, but anytime someone hands me an iPhone or an iPad I feel like I'm in 2005, but faster.

Then again, Windows is abysmal too in other ways. Can't grasp how these trillion dollar companies can't juj things up a little. I appreciate there's a lot of legacy baggage on the back end but in terms of what you're interacting with, I find it very hard to believe they can't skin and present things in a nicer manner. Feel like there's room for a revolution in these things, but the few companies that got their foot in the door at the beginning just aren't interested in it and anyone who comes along at this point wouldn't have a chance.
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What I don't understand with a massive company like Microsoft is how they succeed in making the UI worse. The taskbar is ugly fat and having the Windows button in the middle is an unnecessary change. Not to mention the Start Menu itself which offers very little cusomization. Thankfully I have Explorer Patcher that allows me to dramatically minimize the size of the bar and it also allows me to use a Windows 10 style menu. I'm neither hoping or asking for much in each new OS version, but at the very least I'd hope that they don't make it worse.
 
Trilobit said:
What I don't understand with a massive company like Microsoft is how they succeed in making the UI worse. The taskbar is ugly fat and having the Windows button in the middle is an unnecessary change. Not to mention the Start Menu itself which offers very little cusomization. Thankfully I have Explorer Patcher that allows me to dramatically minimize the size of the bar and it also allows me to use a Windows 10 style menu. I'm neither hoping or asking for much in each new OS version, but at the very least I'd hope that they don't make it worse.
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I remember in the late 90s and early 00s nearly everyone used Windows exclusively.

Nowadays kids are growing up on iPads at home and Chromebooks at school, so Microsoft probably felt the need to make the first thing you see when logging into Windows more familiar to these people.

Look at their Windows 12 leak and how goes even further…

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SJRB said:
Vision might be dead but that doesn't mean it's bad. It's an incredible machine and the UI/UX looks great.
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I will take your word for it. I wonder if there are any relatively cheap visions on the second hand market.
 
SJRB said:
Vision might be dead but that doesn't mean it's bad. It's an incredible machine and the UI/UX looks great.
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I wouldn't be surprised if a similarly specced version released in a few years minus the Eye-Sight display.

This would be the non-pro version.
 
Lord Panda said:
All I'm asking for is FaceID on MacOS. It's been 84 years since we've been asking for this feature FFS.
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They better not take away my fingerprint ID to make it. Thank god the fingerprint is still on the laptops, incredibly useful.

I hate Face ID on phones so much that it's the primary reason I'm still considering leaving their mobile ecosystem--lost the plot completely when they dropped the fingerprint id on mobile and went with faces. That and the removal of the home button in general.
 
Yeah that decision still pissed me off too, and they will most likely do the same thing for their Macs too given the chance.
 
ResurrectedContrarian said:
I miss the Jobs era. I'll celebrate the day Cook is finally gone and hope for an actual visionary again.
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To be fair the early days on computing there were far more opportunities for new ideas as it was uncharted territory.

As computers (regardless of form factor) have become more ubiquitous people have also become less adaptable to change.
 
RetroGamingUK said:
To be fair the early days on computing there were far more opportunities for new ideas as it was uncharted territory.

As computers (regardless of form factor) have become more ubiquitous people have also become less adaptable to change.
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True, although we're currently standing at the edge of a possible total revolution in what constitutes a computer and an interface, thanks to AI... I feel like Jobs might have actually been able to see how a completely new category of interface is opened to us, when no one else can do much but bolt new features or assistants on top.
 
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iPadOS 19 Rumored to Show Mac-Like Menu Bar When Connected to Magic Keyboard

When an iPad running iPadOS 19 is connected to a Magic Keyboard, a macOS-like menu bar will appear on the screen, according to the leaker Majin Bu. ...
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iOS 19 Rumored to Add Stage Manager Support to USB-C iPhones

A leaker known as Majin Bu today claimed that iOS 19 will enable support for at least a limited version of Stage Manager on iPhone models with a...
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It seems like Apple might have been listening to their Pro customers. I just hope they do something new and exciting with iPadOS. I can't see any point in iPhone getting Stage Manager unless it's because they are preparing for the foldable iPhone and want to give the unfolded layout a more iPadOS-like feel while still keeping it iOS.
 
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Trilobit said:
www.macrumors.com

iPadOS 19 Rumored to Show Mac-Like Menu Bar When Connected to Magic Keyboard

When an iPad running iPadOS 19 is connected to a Magic Keyboard, a macOS-like menu bar will appear on the screen, according to the leaker Majin Bu. ...
www.macrumors.com www.macrumors.com

www.macrumors.com

iOS 19 Rumored to Add Stage Manager Support to USB-C iPhones

A leaker known as Majin Bu today claimed that iOS 19 will enable support for at least a limited version of Stage Manager on iPhone models with a...
www.macrumors.com www.macrumors.com

It seems like Apple might have been listening to their Pro customers. I just hope they do something new and exciting with iPadOS. I can't see any point in iPhone getting Stage Manager unless it's because they are preparing for the foldable iPhone and want to give the unfolded layout a more iPadOS-like feel while still keeping it iOS.
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It'd be the first ever device using an A series chip to have multiple window support if true.

Maybe you'll be able to connect your iPhone to a monitor, mouse and keyboard to use stage manager.

It's been done before…


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I'm getting old, somehow my phone had the moon icon near the clock, I know that means do not disturb but I could not find the setting. Had to have a coworker poke around in my phone to bring the menu back into control center so I could turn it off.
It's the 'focus' menu for any other dumbasses who need to find it.
 
There's honestly one thing I want from Apple now and it's Mac OS Lite or similar on the iPad Pros. It's time and I'll flip a table if they just keep doing those tiny incremental changes to iPadOS again. I've tried Stage Manager and it's one of the biggest messes I've ever had the displeasure of using. Nothing about it is as intuitive and wonderful as Mac OS. I'm pretty certain that I'll sell my iPad Pro M1 after WWDC if there's no news on the subject. And I'll never look back.
 
Trilobit said:
There's honestly one thing I want from Apple now and it's Mac OS Lite or similar on the iPad Pros. It's time and I'll flip a table if they just keep doing those tiny incremental changes to iPadOS again. I've tried Stage Manager and it's one of the biggest messes I've ever had the displeasure of using. Nothing about it is as intuitive and wonderful as Mac OS. I'm pretty certain that I'll sell my iPad Pro M1 after WWDC if there's no news on the subject. And I'll never look back.
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They'll never merge

MacOS needs to be designed around mice.

iPadOS needs to be designed around touch.

However this doesn't mean that both operating systems can share more of the same features, design elements and apps, but they need to remain separate.
 
RetroGamingUK said:
They'll never merge

MacOS needs to be designed around mice.

iPadOS needs to be designed around touch.

However this doesn't mean that both operating systems can share more of the same features, design elements and apps, but they need to remain separate.
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A lot of people use iPadOS with mice so Apple really needs to decide what they want. Is it to nerf the iPad Pro line for those who only use touch, or enable a better shell when someone plugs in a mouse? A lot of people are also complaining about how bad many iPadOS versions of software are compared to their MacOS counterparts so it defeats the purpose of getting a "Pro" version.

It's a bit lame to have an M4 chip in your iPad Pro and you still only get software that can also run on the cheapest normal iPad.
 
Trilobit said:
A lot of people use iPadOS with mice so Apple really needs to decide what they want. Is it to nerf the iPad Pro line for those who only use touch, or enable a better shell when someone plugs in a mouse? A lot of people are also complaining about how bad many iPadOS versions of software are compared to their MacOS counterparts so it defeats the purpose of getting a "Pro" version.

It's a bit lame to have an M4 chip in your iPad Pro and you still only get software that can also run on the cheapest normal iPad.
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yeah i mean like come on just turn the damn thing into a mac when you plug it into a monitor
 
Trilobit said:
A lot of people use iPadOS with mice so Apple really needs to decide what they want. Is it to nerf the iPad Pro line for those who only use touch, or enable a better shell when someone plugs in a mouse? A lot of people are also complaining about how bad many iPadOS versions of software are compared to their MacOS counterparts so it defeats the purpose of getting a "Pro" version.

It's a bit lame to have an M4 chip in your iPad Pro and you still only get software that can also run on the cheapest normal iPad.
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The question is how it should behave when a mouse is connected?

Should it always switch to stage manager?

Should stage manager work more like MacOS' desktop?

How would this work in a way that's clean and simple?

Guess we'll find out tomorrow.
 
RetroGamingUK said:
The question is how it should behave when a mouse is connected?

Should it always switch to stage manager?

Should stage manager work more like MacOS' desktop?

How would this work in a way that's clean and simple?

Guess we'll find out tomorrow.
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Something like Samsung Dex would be my bet. A desktop shell which easily switches back to iPadOS shell when there's nothing plugged in. Alternatively one can choose that in the Control Center. The Apple pen is very precise for example. It doesn't have to be optimal at each step, just give the user the options to to what he or she wants to do at any given time. Those who only want to use touch and the iPadOS shell can happily keep doing that.

Yeah, I hope we'll see something exciting in the coming days. :)
 
Trilobit said:
Something like Samsung Dex would be my bet. A desktop shell which easily switches back to iPadOS shell when there's nothing plugged in. Alternatively one can choose that in the Control Center. The Apple pen is very precise for example. It doesn't have to be optimal at each step, just give the user the options to to what he or she wants to do at any given time. Those who only want to use touch and the iPadOS shell can happily keep doing that.

Yeah, I hope we'll see something exciting in the coming days. :)
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That's also rumoured to be coming to iOS
 
Discussions around mice around kinda pointless. The stuff Apple is pushing is the On-Screen Siri/AI. Which you'll get Siri to do stuff for you on-screen via voice input. Which is actually a substantial leap, the consumer models don't have the ability to work realtime on any stream yet, let alone can realtime arbitrarily parse your user interfaces, understand the controls and create micro-automations for you.

Honestly though, Apple should do something wacked out, like come up with a more efficient protocol than VNC/RDP. Take it a step further and let you remote individual windows off of macOS onto iPad and vice versa. They could be headed that way and mix the environments that way. So that iPad isn't legiitimately running macOS and vice versa. But the security boundaries are kept and you can move content/app windows and organize windows/workspaces between devices. At least I hope that's what they're doing since the latest thing they did was add an iphone mirroring app to macOS and visionOS. Merge the OS/ecosystems that way. iPadOS doesn't need to actually run parallels, just yoink the window from my Mac Mini - have that machine do all the rendering.
 
Whoever came up with this genmoji bullshit should have them and their whole family deported to the gulag.

Steve Jobs would curbstomp these people.
 
apple just spared 5 min talking about the new games app. All games downloaded will be listed in the app, Also tabs for friends.
They mentioned that some games will be playable in Portrait mode OR Landscape mode. That would be nice if it forces landscape games into portrait mode.
 
RetroGamingUK said:
Someone heard about liquid glass and assumed it meant circular icons like VisionOS and WatchOS.

No way they're going to force redesigns across 2 decades worth of apps.
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I figured they could have just use some program that would transition them all to circles. Not that it matters to me.
 
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