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[Fess]

Man my brothers Amiga was so futuristic, and copied floppies, so many amazing games. Oh and wiggle the joystick porn who can forget that!!

Goat :

Oh yeah great art and music, title piano song is so good

Spoiler: Only for you!

Just took that photo, it literally takes 2 seconds to power this old beauty up. Modded with DVI out among other things to still keep it usable. I refuse to just leave the Amiga tucked away in some box in the attic!

 

[DenchDeckard]

They are doing a good job at getting behind this marketing push. Holy poop. Lisa Su going extra in on it.

 

[Fess]

Wouldn't supporting Steam on a home console hurt Microsoft's revenues and its own store?

Would probably kill it except for use through Gamepass.

Are there software revenue numbers posted in their earnings reports?
Maybe they already make so little from the store right now that it doesn't bother them to basically kill it off.

 

[PlayStaytion]

So? His point it still valid. The Xbox kernel still has things in it that directly access the hardware exclusive to the platform that it is on. You can't simply take a PC game and run it on Xbox Series X without devs coming in.

 

[viveks86]

I don't think "warned" is the right word here, though it does illustrate my point perfectly.

You may have misunderstood. HeisenbergFX4 comes from an era in the 1900s when "warned" just meant letting people know in advance.

"Darling, I warned you that we are going to the ball tonight. Why are you not dressed yet?"

 

[Heisenberg007]

You also still see the "it's just a sticker on a PC" posts at least once a page, despite them specifically saying they're developing new silicon in the video, let alone posts from kepler or yourself.

The silicon doesn't really matter when it comes to distinguishing b/w a console or a PC. If AMD makes a hardware, it will most likely be used for PCs anyway - sooner or later.

What matters more is whether the new device has the Windows or the Xbox OS. This will determine if it is truly a console or "just a sticker on a PC."

 

[Proelite]

You can't simply take a PC game and run it on Xbox Series X without devs coming in.

Why do devs have to come in.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

You may have misunderstood. HeisenbergFX4 comes from an era in the 1900s when "warned" just meant letting people know in advance.

 

[Proelite]

The silicon doesn't really matter when it comes to distinguishing b/w a console or a PC. If AMD makes a hardware, it will most likely be used for PCs anyway - sooner or later.

What matters more is whether the new device has the Windows or the Xbox OS. This will determine if it is truly a console or "just a ticker on a PC."

Silicon support is needed for BC due to legal reasons. Also technical in the case of Xbox 360 texture and audio formats.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Silicon support is needed for BC due to legal reasons. Also technical in the case of Xbox 360 texture and audio formats.

hmmm sounds like you are implying AMD could make a whole subset of PC CPUs that are Xbox BC and might even have an Xbox logo on them?

Am I hearing that correctly?

In theory I mean

 

[VGA-Games]

Didn't Microsoft always used AMD?

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Didn't Microsoft always used AMD?

no

intel>>> powerpc>>> amd

 

[Proelite]

hmmm sounds like you are implying AMD could make a whole subset of PC CPUs that are Xbox BC and might even have an Xbox logo on them?

Am I hearing that correctly?

In theory I mean

All AMD gaming APUs going forward outside ones for Sony and Valve.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

All AMD gaming APUs going forward outside ones for Sony and Valve.

WTF?!? No way. Seriously?

 

[adamsapple]

hmmm sounds like you are implying AMD could make a whole subset of PC CPUs that are Xbox BC and might even have an Xbox logo on them?

Am I hearing that correctly?

In theory I mean

This is how I picture you posting on GAF right now

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

This is how I picture you posting on GAF right now

 

[Proelite]

WTF?!? No way. Seriously?

Watch the Lisa Su video lol. I knew about this since last June.

 

[FireFly]

Release with 24 tflops is better to not even come out. only if u talking about series s, 24 tflops in 2027 will be really weak. I expect the $1000 model to have 50 real tflops. a 10070 xt or 10080 xt udna gpu.

I guess they were thinking of RDNA 2, since the 9070 XT is already above 50 TF, and that seems a reasonable target for the PS6.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Watch the Lisa Su video lol. I knew about this since last June.

I don't understand the difference, the first two xbox CPU chips were not amd, so they have to be using hardware emulation/ rather than software emulation, which would seem to be easier and less costly to implement. Eitherway some sort of emulation is being used to play the older games. Why is hardware emulation ok and software not?

 

[Proelite]

I don't understand the difference, the first two xbox CPU chips were not amd, so they have to be using hardware emulation/ rather than software emulation, which would seem to be easier and less costly to implement. Eitherway some sort of emulation is being used to play the older games. Why is hardware emulation ok and software not?

Software emulation is why you don't get the complete Xbox and Xbox 360 library on BC. They had to work with publishers to get permission.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Software emulation is why you don't get the complete Xbox and Xbox 360 library on BC. They had to work with publishers to get permission.

I guess I was thinking from a legality standpoint. Either method are is not using original hardware. I thought an issue was some companies not allowing the games to be emulated.

 

[Proelite]

I guess I was thinking from a legality standpoint. Either method are is not using original hardware. I thought an issue was some companies not allowing the games to be emulated.

Your PC library aren't run using original hardware but they're not emulated.

 

[Mister Wolf]

This console will be for someone who wants to upgrade to PC gaming(wise decision) but does not want to leave their Xbox library behind that they've built up over multiple generations.

 

[bitbydeath]

Software emulation is why you don't get the complete Xbox and Xbox 360 library on BC. They had to work with publishers to get permission.

They're still using software as well as per the below recent job hire.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Your PC library aren't run using original hardware but they're not emulated.

Understood but that's inherent to PC games in general, I thought each game depends on the license agreements for consoles , no?

 

[Proelite]

They're still using software as well as per the below recent job hire.

Of course OG Xbox and 360 games are emulated even on the series s and X. https://www.neogaf.com/threads/rumo...mes-to-pc-via-emulation-it’s-claimed.1685517/

 

[mrBarrelNut]

You would probably be shocked then to know the amount of people that buy prebuilts.

And laptops. RTX 4060 laptop chip was the #1 in Steam survey, right?

 

[Sanepar]

I guess they were thinking of RDNA 2, since the 9070 XT is already above 50 TF, and that seems a reasonable target for the PS6.

I mean real 50 tflops(rdna2).
Ps5 pro is around 16-17 real tflops.

It doesn't make any sense a new gen with 24 tflops. 9070 xt has real 24 tflops. That is not enough for a new gen. At least 40 or better to wait a bit more.

 

[mrBarrelNut]

If the MS + AMD combo are building a complete lineup of gaming optimized APU chips for mobile, consoles and PC's, all those cases may warrant different memory setup. Mobile chips will be using LPDDR5X, console chips may use just GDDR7, but for the PC chips it would make sense to have non-unified memory with DDR5 + GDDR7. Maybe even next Xbox will use split pool of DDR5 and GDDR7 instead of unified memory pool?

 

[Proelite]

If the MS + AMD combo are building a complete lineup of gaming optimized APU chips for mobile, consoles and PC's, all those cases may warrant different memory setup. Mobile chips will be using LPDDR5X, console chips may use just GDDR7, but for the PC chips it would make sense to have non-unified memory with DDR5 + GDDR7. Maybe even next Xbox will use split pool of DDR5 and GDDR7 instead of unified memory pool?

Everything will be APUs. So lpddr and (g)DDR only. There are no APUs using two ram pools outside the PS4 / PS5.

 

[mrBarrelNut]

Everything will be APUs. So lpddr and (g)DDR only. There are no APUs using two ram pools outside the PS4 / PS5.

There could be.

Neither LPDDR5X nor DDR5 will not offer enough bandwidth for serious gaming GPU. And GDDR is not optimal for PC CPUs, and might not be cost efficient.

AI workstations can use just the LPPDR, like Nvidia GB10/N1X based systems, but I don't think that it would be feasible for serious gaming system.

 

[Proelite]

There could be.

Neither LPDDR5X nor DDR5 will not offer enough bandwidth for serious gaming GPU. And GDDR is not optimal for PC CPUs, and might not be cost efficient.

AI workstations can use just the LPPDR, like Nvidia GB10/N1X based systems, but I don't think that it would be feasible for serious gaming system.

LPDDR6 top end can match the GDDR6 in PS5 / X. For gaming focused APU GDDR7 should be fine.

 

[FireFly]

I mean real 50 tflops(rdna2).
Ps5 pro is around 16-17 real tflops.

It doesn't make any sense a new gen with 24 tflops. 9070 xt has real 24 tflops. That is not enough for a new gen. At least 40 or better to wait a bit more.

RDNA 4 improves performance per teraflop to get close to Ampere. The 26 TF 9060 XT is marginally slower than the 26 TF 5060 Ti and faster than the 17 TF 6800. So 24 RDNA 4 TF is already like 32 RDNA 2 TF.

But that comes at a big cost in terms of transistors and area, since the 9060 XT has more than double the transistors of the 7600 XT and the same area on a much more expensive process. The 9070 XT is already 357 mm^2 compared to the 279 mm^2 PS5 Pro GPU, and doesn't even include a CPU. So I don't think it's likely we'll get something much faster.

 

[Sanepar]

RDNA 4 improves performance per teraflop to get close to Ampere. The 26 TF 9060 XT is marginally slower than the 26 TF 5060 Ti and faster than the 17 TF 6800. So 24 RDNA 4 TF is already like 32 RDNA 2 TF.

But that comes at a big cost in terms of transistors and area, since the 9060 XT has more than double the transistors of the 7600 XT and the same area on a much more expensive process. The 9070 XT is already 357 mm^2 compared to the 279 mm^2 PS5 Pro GPU, and doesn't even include a CPU. So I don't think it's likely we'll get something much faster.

If it has at least a 32 tflops like 9070 xt then will be a good console for 1440@60fps upscaled, but since amd now has good upscale solution i don't see a problem. But it will be one more gen with a start at 4k and 2-3 years a lot of 1440p and 1080p games at medium settings.

 

[Clear]

Pretty much exactly what I thought it would be for awhile now, and called pretty much exactly a couple of days ago!

 

[adamsapple]

If it has at least a 32 tflops like 9070 xt then will be a good console for 1440@60fps upscaled, but since amd now has good upscale solution i don't see a problem. But it will be one more gen with a start at 4k and 2-3 years a lot of 1440p and 1080p games at medium settings.

Brother in christ, you know full well that devs will prioritize 4k/30 fps on fixed spec hardware cause it shows off better

 

[KeplerL2]

Isn't UDNA scheduled for Q2 26? If they are targeting holiday season, it seems feasible…

Q4 2026

 

[mrBarrelNut]

All of this probably means new version of DirectX is also coming out. DX13 with AI capabilities embedded through the rendering pipeline.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

I don't understand the difference, the first two xbox CPU chips were not amd, so they have to be using hardware emulation/ rather than software emulation, which would seem to be easier and less costly to implement. Eitherway some sort of emulation is being used to play the older games. Why is hardware emulation ok and software not?

Because the 3rd party licenses specify that they are for Xbox hardware only. Hardware emulation is still hardware, as long as it is custom Microsoft can say it is a mini-Xbox.

This is not an issue with newer titles, because Play Anywhere titles are designed to include PC license in it.

 

[Idleyes]

Why native 4K when you can use fsr4 and manufacture a smaller and cheaper die?

No idea, I just like doing predictions even though I've never been right.

 

[Sanepar]

Brother in christ, you know full well that devs will prioritize 4k/30 fps on fixed spec hardware cause it shows off better

I hope not. At least 1 option of 1440p/60 or 1080p/60 is better than 4k/30.

Anything is better than 30 fps.

 

[adamsapple]

All of this probably means new version of DirectX is also coming out. DX13 with AI capabilities embedded through the rendering pipeline.

Probably, it has been what .. a decade since DX12 came out?

 

[viveks86]

Q4 2026

I see! So given the timing, the next Xbox console will not be on UDNA, then?

 

[Fake]

Why native 4K when you can use fsr4 and manufacture a smaller and cheaper die?

PS6 games can use FSR4 or the next generation version of PSSR, but what about PS4 and PS5 games?

I have no problem with PS6 try to run them at native 4k60.

 

[onQ123]

They could lock access to Steam/3rd party stores behind a Gamepass subscription.

Most likely it will be like the laptops with S-mode you will just have to remove S-mode to use other store fronts

 

[KeplerL2]

I see! So given the timing, the next Xbox console will not be on UDNA, then?

It is, XSX/XSS and Navi21 shipped in the same month.

 

[viveks86]

It is, XSX/XSS and Navi21 shipped in the same month.

Excellent! No plans to buy one, but can't wait to see it in action.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Interesting turn of events. MS kept this very low key which I guess is probably a good move at this point. I'm guessing a Nov '26 launch is the aim as a Nov '27 launch is far away.

K KeplerL2 , IIRC you mentioned that Sony's APU would be ready this year....Is it possible Sony also could be trying to make Nov '26 or do you think they'll do their own thing this time? I can't help but think if the tech/specs are similar or the same they wouldn't want to give Xbox any head start with the big games.

Having said that they'll probably have a gentleman's agreement to launch at the same time like always!

 

[KeplerL2]

Interesting turn of events. MS kept this very low key which I guess is probably a good move at this point. I'm guessing a Nov '26 launch is the aim as a Nov '27 launch is far away.

K KeplerL2 , IIRC you mentioned that Sony's APU would be ready this year....Is it possible Sony also could be trying to make Nov '26 or do you think they'll do their own thing this time? I can't help but think if the tech/specs are similar or the same they wouldn't want to give Xbox any head start with the big games.

Having said that they'll probably have a gentleman's agreement to launch at the same time like always!

They could rush it but there's no real reason for them to do it imo, unless they think Xbox having potentially a year of better performance on GTA6 is a big deal.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

They could rush it but there's no real reason for them to do it imo, unless they think Xbox having potentially a year of better performance on GTA6 is a big deal.

Exactly that sort of risk is what makes them (well the accountants!) nervous hence why they tend to mirror each other.

Hopefully we get another Xbox tease at this years TGA's.

HeisenbergFX4 Have you heard anything on the Sony side recently or is it still quiet on their end right now?