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[demigod]

Yeah

Not buying the game made by 200 different people, specially now that they've fired her is pretty stupid. But people are stupid.

Funny thing, people on Era are also mad at SP and dont want to buy the game anymore lol. So SP fucked up with both sides. A situation they cant win.

Im glad that SP acted fast and rightfuly

Just like their fake Hogwarts boycott amirite?

 

[The Cockatrice]

Was that person actually fired? I dont see any official announcement and the way she phrased that tweet is not very convincing.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

This is a false quote.

Unfortunately, it's not.

 

[midnightAI]

Was that person actually fired? I dont see any official announcement and the way she phrased that tweet is not very convincing.

Really? the way they phrased it seems very conclusive to me

 

[kpopSuperstar]

The only good news is that the resetera thread has 12 pages and we have 34.

They are all claiming everyone is a nazi and should die though. They are worse than you think.

 

[Portugeezer]

Yeah
Not buying the game made by 200 different people, specially now that they've fired her is pretty stupid. But people are stupid.

Funny thing, people on Era are also mad at SP and dont want to buy the game anymore lol. So SP fucked up with both sides. A situation they cant win.

Im glad that SP acted fast and rightfuly

Nah, it's an easy choice; we know the far left loonies (such as those found on Reee-Era) don't buy games in mass, only moan about them.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Really? the way they phrased it seems very conclusive to me

Because everything they say on the internet is true? I dont buy it. Seems like a way to draw attention away so unless theres an official statement, she mst likely still works there.

 

[saintjules]

Unfortunately, it's not.

Woof...

 

[Killer8]

So, you don't really understand what he meant? Is your IQ really that low.
He doesn't want people to die. But he wanted to prevent his and the peoples freedom.

But sure, take away peoples guns. Then they would just stab each other like in Europe.
The cartels and the gangs will of course still have weapons. But now you cannot defend yourself against them as your right.
Btw I am not an american. I live in a country where weapons are banned and always has been. Driving around with a knife longer than 5 cm is considered a murder weapon with a purpose of killing someone.

The problem with guns is that is is such a big part of american culture.
Not much would change. Citizens would having a harder time getting access to firearms. Theres millions and millions of guns in the US, many of them would get hidden at the black market, also the cartel issue is so serious in USA, that guns would be imported as much as drugs from Mexico.


That is also a personal thing I did not support. I do realise that it is because he was a full blooded christian, which I am not at all. I'm not religious. But I understand why he wanted it.

I have a daughter myself, but I wouldn't want it.

By the way...
I know americans like to chop kids foreskin... Are you pro or against that?
I find it pretty evil to cut in poor kids foreskin without having anything to say against it.
That is pretty evil to me.



I have known about this guy the last six months. I am not a native american, I someday just got his videos where he talks on campusses.

I still don't believe that is an opinion worth being killed over.

A vast majority of black people are racists, klinging to "y'all made me slaves", even though the person has never experienced anything slave behavior except their own way of thinking. They are imprisoning themselves.

But all this is imo another story, so I'll drop it here. Unless you of course want to continue, but I don't think this is the right thread to do so.

I ain't defending the man or all his values.

These quotations are from him being hardcore christian.

Then put it that way, for non christian people, he can be considered a loony because of these absurd opinions.

But if you think someone should be killed from these quotations, then this tells more about you than him.

Many of his opinions were deeply rooted in his Christian belief. The irony in people using them as some sort of justification for his murder is that quite literally billions of people around the world believe in the same things. Not just Christians, but Muslims too.

A recurring sentiment i've seen online is "why are we crying about a white guy with bad opinions being killed but no one is speaking out about dead Palestinians?" I would suspect that Kirk and your average Palestinian probably shared more beliefs than some would like to admit. But leftist empathy is very selective, often contradictory, and seems to almost rely solely on skin color. This is why we end up seeing baffling ideological concoctions like "Queers for Palestine".

Ironically just before his death, Kirk was starting to be more critical of Israel's actions. I'm not mentioning this from a conspiratorial angle, moreso that leftists are gleefully celebrating the murder of someone who potentially could've been a moderating voice or even temporary ally on that specific issue.

 

[Punished Miku]

__________ should be something that is shamed. That should be something everyone can get behind. Somewhere along the way these degenerates started getting away with anything. The world is a better place when there are consequences for being a vile human being.

That's what they say every time. That is what cancel culture is. Shaming isn't repeatedly tying them to their employers over and over until they're fired. Thats just canceling.

 

[Punished Miku]

Woof...

Reminds me of a young, white, conservative, racist MLK Jr.

P.S. cancel Alana

 

[laynelane]

Because everything they say on the internet is true? I dont buy it. Seems like a way to draw attention away so unless theres an official statement, she mst likely still works there.

Yeah, even sites reporting on it are using non-committal language:

Sucker Punch Appears To Have Fired A Ghost Of Yotei Dev Over A Post About The Charlie Kirk Assassination

The artist has confirmed they've lost their job, claiming their post was the reason for the firing.

www.thegamer.com

The above uses "Appears to have Fired..." in their title, for example.

I wonder if Sucker Punch will make a statement on this at some point.

 

[Lord Malachite]

Hmm makes sense.
So boycotting buying software from PlayStation Studios?

They still gonna be getting that revenue from your software purchases from other studios though.

Boycotting first party studios is hard, and it seems to be multiple PlayStation Studios members who are "siding" with the Sucker Punch dev.....obviously cuz they are all kinda friends.
Even any backlash they(the dev) receives they will probably just be moved internally to another PlayStation Studio, simply getting rid of senior devs isnt a good idea unless you have a good replacement handy, so better just to move them to another studio.

I'm not boycotting all Sony first party studios indefinitely. I'm choosing to skip this game. Honestly I feel like Sucker Punch has fallen so far in the last decade I'm not missing much.

As for future titles, I'll be a lot more judicious in what I buy, and most importantly, when. They've lost my day one support. I'll just wait for steep discounts.

As far as them getting a 30% bounty on everything I buy from third party, I'll just be buying a lot less and at much lower prices. There's nothing I can do about that short of shifting platforms and since my library is so huge I'd be hurting myself far more to just abandon it. Moreover, I strongly dislike gaming on PC. So it just is what it is. Buy less. Buy cheaper. Reduce my revenue stream significantly and just focus on my massive backlog. Not really a very hard decision.

 

[The_Mike]

Many of his opinions were deeply rooted in his Christian belief. The irony in people using them as some sort of justification for his murder is that quite literally billions of people around the world believe in the same things. Not just Christians, but Muslims too.

A recurring sentiment i've seen online is "why are we crying about a white guy with bad opinions being killed but no one is speaking out about dead Palestinians?" I would suspect that Kirk and your average Palestinian probably shared more beliefs than some would like to admit. But leftist empathy is very selective, often contradictory, and seems to almost rely solely on skin color. This is why we end up seeing baffling ideological concoctions like "Queers for Palestine".

Ironically just before his death, Kirk was starting to be more critical of Israel's actions. I'm not mentioning this from a conspiratorial angle, moreso that leftists are gleefully celebrating the murder of someone who potentially could've been a moderating voice or even temporary ally on that specific issue.

I have really no strong opinion in the Israel vs Palestine as I have no real interest in it, and won't part with either side.

But, and this is only my knowledge from the media, Isn't Palestine the country where people get killed for being gay/trans?
And the left and lgbt+ community are cheering for Palestine?

Is this correct, or is it just propaganda/fake news?

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

This is a false quote.

Unfortunately, it's not.

This topic in a nutshell:

"Charlie never said that! you are misquoting him! he was a great person!"

* evidence is shown*

people:

Some people can't see the truth even when it's right there lmao.

 

[PeteBull]

Just so I understand the psyche of this thread correctly...

One batshit crazy leftist at Suckerpunch celebrating the death of a political public figure = never buy a SP game again/no Yotei

Right-wing, supremacist anti-LGBTs inciting violence on protected groups = it's a bit silly to boycott a game they had little involvement on

Which is it?

Anyway, I hope they catch the guy that did it + fire all those who've been celebrating this.

Nobody wins here.

First of all, no1 calling others to not buy the game, every person can do what they want and no1 will call u evil/nazi/supremacist/or whatever new word is for enjoing a game u bought with ur hard earned money(huge difference vs leftists canceling devs/games), if some1 declares they will take themselfs a stand, so be it, its their and their choice only since again- no1 is slave here-be it buying game used/later on the cheap/borrowing from a friend or not buying at all, its our personal freedom after all.

2nd thing- today's rightwing is just sanity/common sense, 20-30years back thats where US democrats were, and no1 inciting violence on any1, even if most of the world is anti transformers ideology-not ppl, just ideology of gender and all that other woke shit(sorry to break it to u, if u are living in big western city full of leftists u are in a small bubble, world thinks very different than u

Again look at that cnn vid of wolfenstein 3d/ id software from 1992:

No racial bating, no stupid useless questions about why protag is angry white muscular man with arsenal of guns, no questions about why dev team consists of white males only and where is DEI and alphabet ppl- only normal sane takes and proper journalism, it was informative video that promoted the game and very talented dev studio, thats how democrats used to be back in the 90s

Today that would be nasty hitpiece.

Oh, and for ppl not aware, chinese even have official word for ppl like the fired SP dev:

Baizuo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Baizuo (Chinese: 白左; pinyin: báizuǒ; lit. 'white left') is a derogatory Chinese neologism used to refer to Western liberals and leftists, especially in relation to refugee issues and social problems. The term originated in the 2010s and has since come into more frequent use by Chinese nationalists critical of Western liberal and leftist ideologies for their alleged over-tolerance to immigration issues and by netizens who agreed with Donald Trump's anti-immigration policies. The term has also begun being used in English by American conservatives.

 

[Portugeezer]

Because everything they say on the internet is true? I dont buy it. Seems like a way to draw attention away so unless theres an official statement, she mst likely still works there.

True, it's not a concrete statement.

 

[Gexxy1]

Unfortunately, it's not.

That's not what the quote says. He calls Michelle and other people on the opposite side of his spectrum dumb. That they only got their position due to affirmative action.

Disagree if you want, but that is not the same as calling "black women dumb."

 

[Portugeezer]

This topic in a nutshell:

"Charlie never said that! you are misquoting him! he was a great person!"

Some people can't see the truth even when it's right there lmao.

The truth is that he didn't say "black women", and the truth is that changes the meaning behind such a statement drastically.

Talk about undertones or dog whistles, but not "truth", because it's not.

 

[Lokaum D+]

The only good news is that the resetera thread has 12 pages and we have 34.

They are all claiming everyone is a nazi and should die though. They are worse than you think.

Its cause you cant have a conversation over there.

 

[midnightAI]

Because everything they say on the internet is true? I dont buy it. Seems like a way to draw attention away so unless theres an official statement, she mst likely still works there.

Ok, cool, I think otherwise but you can wait for an official statement if you like (if there even will be one)

 

[Punished Miku]

The truth is that he didn't say "black women", and the truth is that changes the meaning behind such a statement drastically.

Talk about undertones or dog whistles, but not "truth", because it's not.

Yeah dude, totally. They just are all individually unintelligent even though they're 100% not. And they took jobs from ... *checks notes* white men. I'm sure he meant 3 very specific white men who he knows personally and knows their SAT scores since their race is pretty much irrelevant to their intelligence right. Totally.

 

[Radical_3d]

Ok. I haven't been in this topic for a solid 20 pages. Is she fired confirmed?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

That's not what the quote says. He calls Michelle and other people on the opposite side of his spectrum dumb. That they only got their position due to affirmative action.

Disagree if you want, but that is not the same as calling "black women dumb."

And inevitably, someone to justify the unjustifiable.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

If she wasn't really fired the backlash will be much bigger. Either way, this stupid move will cost SP a few hundred thousand sales. Her behavior will cause layoffs, that's 100% certain.

 

[Saiyan-Rox]

This topic in a nutshell:

"Charlie never said that! you are misquoting him! he was a great person!"

* evidence is shown*

people:

Some people can't see the truth even when it's right there lmao.

Anyone claiming that Charlie never said some fucking stupid ass shit obviously only saw edited shit online.

Yes he's said some really fucking stupid shit but the whole point is he shouldn't be killed for it.

 

[Gexxy1]

And inevitably, someone to justify the unjustifiable.

Ah yes, the left's favorite tactic. Deflect and ignore reality, while resorting to Ad Hominem because they can't win an argument on logical grounds.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

The truth is that he didn't say "black women", and the truth is that changes the meaning behind such a statement drastically.

Talk about undertones or dog whistles, but not "truth", because it's not.

He didn't say "black women"...like what he said was any better lmao. Look at the undertone of his speech dude. He said "black women" without saying it. He named countless black women to get to his point across for a reason.

 

[Killer8]

I have really no strong opinion in the Israel vs Palestine as I have no real interest in it, and won't part with either side.

But, and this is only my knowledge from the media, Isn't Palestine the country where people get killed for being gay/trans?
And the left and lgbt+ community are cheering for Palestine?

Is this correct, or is it just propaganda/fake news?

There has been imprisonment, torture and murders of LGBT people there yes. It's one of the lowest rated regions in the world for LGBT rights.

Charlie Kirk's opinions on homosexually were not even as harsh, and yet to members of groups like Queers for Palestine he deserves to die, while Palestinians get the "we must extend empathy even to people who are against us" treatment.

It's completely contradictory to me.

 

[thefool]

This topic in a nutshell:

"Charlie never said that! you are misquoting him! he was a great person!"

* evidence is shown*

people:



Some people can't see the truth even when it's right there lmao.

No, it's not. If anything you and the same five minions trying to distort what he says or find quotes of him to try to justify the sick, deranged reactions to his death.
At least the lunatics aren't afraid to show their true colors, you on the other hand...

 

[PeteBull]

Unfortunately, it's not.

Lets be real here, dont know any of the others but Michelle Obama is only famous coz she is wife of former US president, Barrack Obama, so her intelectual prowess/achievements etc are worth shit all, she is famous coz of her husband only.
Let her into politics and see if she wont have same fate as the "2% preeliminary votes" Kamala- maybe she will achieve something, who knows, but so far thats a 0.

DEI= Didnt Earn It, its actually systematic racism against men, white ppl and asians, as was proven so many times, talented/high performance ppl who fall under DEI now suffer from that too coz with DEI around no1 can be sure how much of some1 success was coz of merit, and how big %age was of what u got between ur legs, skin colour, beliefs or sexual orientation.

BTW, thats what happens when DEI is used to recruit police officers:

Check yt comments to see how real world ppl think about this shit, no political correctness there

 

[Jetpac]

Oh man so all his quotes and takes weren't actually his actual quotes and takes and people are just fucking lying to justify their victory lap? SHOCKER!

Nah guy was an idiot. Didn't deserve to die. But he was 100% an idiot.

Three copies of Ghosts for me!!!

 

[Ozriel]

That's not what the quote says. He calls Michelle and other people on the opposite side of his spectrum dumb. That they only got their position due to affirmative action.

Disagree if you want, but that is not the same as calling "black women dumb."

Just coincidence that all the 'opposite side of the spectrum' folks he called out were black women?

No, it's not. If anything you and the same five minions are trying to distort what he says or find quotes of him to try to justify the sick, deranged reactions to his death.
At least the lunatics aren't afraid to show their true colors, you on the other hand...

You can claim you consider someone's position deeply flawed without justifying their assassination.

 

[Portugeezer]

Yeah dude, totally. They just are all individually unintelligent even though they're 100% not. And they took jobs from ... *checks notes* white men. I'm sure he meant 3 very specific white men who he knows personally and knows their SAT scores since their race is pretty much irrelevant to their intelligence right. Totally.

Then people should that, don't lie and make up false quotes.

 

[Jetpac]

Lets be real here, dont know any of the others but Michelle Obama is only famous coz she is wife of former US president, Barrack Obama, so her intelectual prowess/achievements etc are worth shit all, she is famous coz of her husband only.
Let her into politics and see if she wont have same fate as the "2% preeliminary votes" Kamala- maybe she will achieve something, who knows, but so far thats a 0.

DEI= Didnt Earn It, its actually systematic racism against men, white ppl and asians, as was proven so many times, talented/high performance ppl who fall under DEI now suffer from that too coz with DEI around no1 can be sure how much of some1 success was coz of merit, and how big %age was of what u got between ur legs, skin colour, beliefs or sexual orientation.

BTW, thats what happens when DEI is used to recruit police officers:

Check yt comments to see how real world ppl think about this shit, no political correctness there

Imagine waking up daily and hating on Michelle Obama.

Like… really?

 

[Punished Miku]

Then people should that, don't lie and make up false quotes.

It's an accurate paraphrase. Just showing the full quote unaltered is worse.

Do you care at all that the person who is being laundered here as some saint (LITERALLY CALLING HIM MLK JR) is clearly a bit of a racist? Why did he say the jobs were taken from white men? Why even mention race or gender at all? What do you think that means? Spell it out. Those are his words.

People in this exact thread wanted to cancel someone for not going along with calling this guy MLK Jr. What do you think about that?

He even mentions "brain power," not education, training, etc. Like they are literally genetically inferior in their brains. No one talks about "brain power."

 

[Lambogenie]

Should keep such extreme views private, it doesn't protect you just because of a small "opinions are my own" disclaimer. Social media really making people forget how to behave decently.

No doubt some of the upset folks would act the same if it were an Arab dude in the exact same situation though- wait, they do!

Both extreme sides are bunch of psychos.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Ah yes, the left's favorite tactic. Deflect and ignore reality, while resorting to Ad Hominem because they can't win an argument on logical grounds.

I don't have to deflect nothing, Kirk was very open about being a fan of Steve Sailer, a man who likes to write about topics such as blacks being genetically dumber and white identity politics.

But again, no matter how vile his views were, Kirk did not deserve to be murdered for them.

 

[coachmcguirk91]

I'm not boycotting all Sony first party studios indefinitely. I'm choosing to skip this game. Honestly I feel like Sucker Punch has fallen so far in the last decade I'm not missing much.

As for future titles, I'll be a lot more judicious in what I buy, and most importantly, when. They've lost my day one support. I'll just wait for steep discounts.

As far as them getting a 30% bounty on everything I buy from third party, I'll just be buying a lot less and at much lower prices. There's nothing I can do about that short of shifting platforms and since my library is so huge I'd be hurting myself far more to just abandon it. Moreover, I strongly dislike gaming on PC. So it just is what it is. Buy less. Buy cheaper. Reduce my revenue stream significantly and just focus on my massive backlog. Not really a very hard decision.

It is funny where people draw the line when it comes to boycotting. We choose to ignore products that are often produced under very inhumane conditions. Whether it is our electronics, clothes, or food. Child work and slave labor is abundant. Most of us don't think about because it is convenient not to. But, all it takes is a single person from a company posting an offensive joke on social media for everyone to freak out and decide to boycott

 

[SScorpio]

Lets be real here, dont know any of the others but Michelle Obama is only famous coz she is wife of former US president, Barrack Obama, so her intelectual prowess/achievements etc are worth shit all, she is famous coz of her husband only.
Let her into politics and see if she wont have same fate as the "2% preeliminary votes" Kamala- maybe she will achieve something, who knows, but so far thats a 0.

DEI= Didnt Earn It, its actually systematic racism against men, white ppl and asians, as was proven so many times, talented/high performance ppl who fall under DEI now suffer from that too coz with DEI around no1 can be sure how much of some1 success was coz of merit, and how big %age was of what u got between ur legs, skin colour, beliefs or sexual orientation.

BTW, thats what happens when DEI is used to recruit police officers:

Check yt comments to see how real world ppl think about this shit, no political correctness there

Joyless Reid was an MSNBC talk show host who was extremely bitter about everything.

Ketanji Brown Jackson was Biden's sole Supreme Court pick. So far her takes have been so bad even the big lefties Kagan and Sotomayor have been left stunned with just how bad they are.

 

[Gonzito]

For those trying to dig up content from Kirk just to prove he wasn't a good person or that he had ugly views, are you doing that to justify his murder?


Man, some people here are showing their true colors

 

[Gexxy1]

He didn't say "black women"...

Finally someone admitting what their ears have told them

like what he said was any better lmao. Look at the undertone of his speech dude. He said "black women" without saying it. He named countless black women to get to his point across for a reason.

He's talking about people on the opposite end of the spectrum. What do you think his opinion of Candace Owens is, or does she not count as a black woman because you don't like her?

 

[thismeinteil]

Do you get all of your info from mainstream slop? The dude who attacked Paul definitely wasn't right wing, the media pushed that dumb narrative though.

It's so funny is they just listen to the first reports of the media and people on the left hoping it was a right winger. It's like the Melissa Hortman murder. That guy was appointed to his position by a Democrat and was reappointed by Gov Walz. A nut who said that Walz told him to kill Democrats who opposed him. And funny how she was murdered immediately after voting against medical care benefits for illegal immigrants. But his list mostly had Democrats so obviously he was a right winger.

 

[pudel]

But, all it takes is a single person from a company posting an offensive joke on social media for everyone to freak out and decide to boycott

Be thankful they are only doing this and not shooting her because they dont like her opinion.

 

[calico]

How is it a false equivalence?

From the specific segment you are referencing:

"I'm not qualifying it [the attack]. I think it's awful. It's not right."

"We don't support political violence; we denounce political violence."

"I want to reiterate, for all the degenerates that are watching, that cover our story: we do not endorse political violence. We're a movement of peace, and of love, and of truth, and we hope Paul Pelosi recovers."

Where is anything equivalent to that in this example? She is clearly implying she approves of this attack and the assassination of Brian Thompson, and when later (supposedly) getting fired for this comment, she confirms her intent by stating that she was 'taking a stand against fascism' and that she would do the same thing again in future.

The main point of the Charlie Kirk segment is 'please don't associate that nutjob with us' (pretty much the opposite of 'celebrating the assassin'), whereas she is positioning the assassins as allies of hers in her 'fight against fascism'.

 

[Gexxy1]

Just coincidence that all the 'opposite side of the spectrum' folks he called out were black women?

It's a 1-2 minute clip and he's talking about Affirmative Action. Is he supposed to talk about Asians or White people in that segment? I can pull up other clips of him calling various white people morons if you want, since apparently you are unable.

 

[Ozriel]

Lets be real here, dont know any of the others but Michelle Obama is only famous coz she is wife of former US president, Barrack Obama, so her intelectual prowess/achievements etc are worth shit all, she is famous coz of her husband only.
Let her into politics and see if she wont have same fate as the "2% preeliminary votes" Kamala- maybe she will achieve something, who knows, but so far thats a 0.

Since when did the yardstick for intellect and 'smartness' translate to fame?

'The others' include a Senator and a Supreme Court justice, each with sterling credentials.

 

[thefool]

You can claim you consider someone's position deeply flawed without justifying their assassination.

Your judgement of his comments are not relevant to the murder, while you might find them abhorrent, someone else will find them accurate. I find Charlie Kirk a milquetoast centrist, others might think he was extremist, i would certainly justify that as ignorance while you might think I'm the senseless reactionary.

The only reason the minions quote each other in this thread is to try to amplify this message that his extremism lead to his death, trying to justify both the assassination and the lunatics reaction. What they don't understand, like they didn't with Luigi, is that judgement goes both ways, and you might find someone that one day acts against your very own words.

 

[N30RYU]

That's why I separate the art from the artist.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Lets be real here, dont know any of the others but Michelle Obama is only famous coz she is wife of former US president, Barrack Obama, so her intelectual prowess/achievements etc are worth shit all, she is famous coz of her husband only.
Let her into politics and see if she wont have same fate as the "2% preeliminary votes" Kamala- maybe she will achieve something, who knows, but so far thats a 0.

DEI= Didnt Earn It, its actually systematic racism against men, white ppl and asians, as was proven so many times, talented/high performance ppl who fall under DEI now suffer from that too coz with DEI around no1 can be sure how much of some1 success was coz of merit, and how big %age was of what u got between ur legs, skin colour, beliefs or sexual orientation.

Bro Michelle Obama majored in Sociology, got a Law degree and worked as an associate lawyer and then got into public life. All this before Obama got into politics. Saying she lacks brain power is profoundly racist.