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These people do need to go asap

I have shared this story a few times so not breaking any new ground here but its funny that Phil and Ybarra shared a drink in Phils office when Jim was promoted to the head of PS as they thought he would run PS aground yet neither Phil or Mike were smart enough to realize their own ship had already struck the iceberg and they were standing in waist deep water having that drink

And on a personal note whoever the pussy is running back to Ybarra telling him I am name dropping him here make sure you get my wording correct when I said neither were smart enough to realize the situation THEY put Xbox in

And also tell him to not send me anymore Twitter PMs telling me to stop talking about him here

I have never shared vital info openly (to mods yes for some sort of proof) but I can if he wants

Don't make me go scorched earth, what's the worst he is going to do, not let me place bets on whatever no name gambling site he is working on?

Get me banned from playing on a dying console I haven't turned on in years?

mister rogers middle finger GIF

I don't get why Ybarra is so bent out of shape. I don't recall you saying anything that put the guy in a bad light.
 
I don't know that there is a way forward. The problem with replacing these clowns, as bad as they are, is who is going to want the job? All I know is these people shouldn't be rewarded for their incompetence any longer.
I! :lollipop_raising_hand:

If they paid me what they're paying Phil to try and fail at reviving a corpse, you can bet I would be all nitrile gloves all over me body hands on trying to make the liquefacted solid, alive and kicking again. And also for the lulz.

Who wouldn't want to get rich making adult bozos cry all over the internets every time we do some shit? :lollipop_wink_tongue:
 
I don't know that there is a way forward. The problem with replacing these clowns, as bad as they are, is who is going to want the job? All I know is these people shouldn't be rewarded for their incompetence any longer.
My fear is they will not replace them at all and just close down the Xbox division. It has been on thin ice before and it looks like the ice has spiderwebbed. Maybe they keep the name around as part of the third-party publishing but it seems cooked. I am not lying when I say I want to hear some good news coming out of Xbox soon.
 
I don't think I had said anything out of line, maybe he didn't like the stories like the sharing the drink or whatever

I dunno
You have always been fair and honest on any information you have provided and how you came across it. You never did it for clout. I will agree, whoever the snitch is can fuck right off. What posts on GAF stay on GAF. (not really, that stuff gets spread everywhere :messenger_squinting_tongue: )
 
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I don't think I had said anything out of line, maybe he didn't like the stories like the sharing the drink or whatever

I dunno

That can't be it. Damn near every Xbox fan alive was laughing when Jim Ryan was put in charge.

My fear is they will not replace them at all and just close down the Xbox division. It has been on thin ice before and it looks like the ice has spiderwebbed. Maybe they keep the name around as part of the third-party publishing but it seems cooked. I am not lying when I say I want to hear some good news coming out of Xbox soon.

Yeah....I'm the same. PlayStation needs competition and Xbox is the closest thing to that. I'd rather they turn it around, but that's not going to happen when you've got a moron who can't see that none of the shit he is doing is working.
 
These people do need to go asap

I have shared this story a few times so not breaking any new ground here but its funny that Phil and Ybarra shared a drink in Phils office when Jim was promoted to the head of PS as they thought he would run PS aground yet neither Phil or Mike were smart enough to realize their own ship had already struck the iceberg and they were standing in waist deep water having that drink

And on a personal note whoever the pussy is running back to Ybarra telling him I am name dropping him here make sure you get my wording correct when I said neither were smart enough to realize the situation THEY put Xbox in

And also tell him to not send me anymore Twitter PMs telling me to stop talking about him here

I have never shared vital info openly (to mods yes for some sort of proof) but I can if he wants

Don't make me go scorched earth, what's the worst he is going to do, not let me place bets on whatever no name gambling site he is working on?

Get me banned from playing on a dying console I haven't turned on in years?

mister rogers middle finger GIF
I for one would be very 🍿 to see you go scorched earth on them, our MLB guru. :lollipop_beaming_smiling:

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I would assume if they pull the plug Xbox hardware division could just file bankruptcy to avoid paying out the contracts they already have with the likes of AMD
They don't have to do anything like that. There's probably some sort of get-out clause they can pay AMD to trigger. No way AMD didn't see some version of this happening, they have access to Xbox's order history and can see downwards trends just fine.

AMD has to figure out what to do with those chips from there, my guess either they disappear into the archives or get reused for some obscure China-only SKU or something.
 
The console space at the high end only has two players. So if one leaves you are essentially left with a monopoly. Maybe that means less today than it would have 20 years ago with the lines more blurred between PC and console but I'm not still not sure I want that.
Fear not, you can't have a new competitor until one of the two leaves. Xbox need to truly get off the stage before anyone else can show up. And Sony is a lot of things but they are NOT invincible. In fact gaming is probably one of the only bright spots of the entire company and that is not a good sign for those in charge. So PlayStation can bleed, it's just that Xbox bleeds like a raw blood sausage and PS failed less.
 
The console space at the high end only has two players. So if one leaves you are essentially left with a monopoly. Maybe that means less today than it would have 20 years ago with the lines more blurred between PC and console but I'm not still not sure I want that.
Having a single home console won't be much different than what we already have now.
All 3rd parties need is that a console exists where they can sell their games.
Sony is already doing whatever they want regarding their games.

There is a limit to what they can charge their services and hardware to prevent consumer outrage, and they know that.

Even without competition they are likely to subsidise a new console at launch to increase the install base and long term profits from game sales.
 
Most incompetent business to gaming. Microsoft fukked up introducing a console to gaming. They should have focused on PC gaming and they could have been dominant in that space especially since steam wasn't around when they first released the OG Xbox. They were the first cocksuckers to implement paying for online and this would have never happened if they just focused on PC gaming on the first place. They already had windows so all they had to do is make it more gaming friendly.

The funny part is, even when OG Xbox was in development, MS had another team working on a console box of their own. But I guess that one was closer to an improved version of the Bandai Pippin concept, and MS wasn't interested in that because people got them spooked about PS2 instead.

MS potentially missed out on expanding & standardizing the home PC/console hybrid market decades earlier because of a decision spurred as a reaction, rather than a forward-thinking vision. Granted, tech wasn't as standardized or homogenized back then as it is today, but you'd think the company with the world's most popular OS (at that time) would've put forth the investment, no?

I don't know how true it is but he was on a podcast talking about how he played games with Phil, him, and Rand Al Thor. He had all the execs phone numbers except for Phil who would never give it to him. He also said Rand was pushed out when he started talking shit about Crackdown 3 and how bad it looked. So maybe he does know something.

I have a theory:

Tim Dog is Phil Spencer
 
Microsoft really shit the bed on this one. Your console is dead and you decide to get greedy with the only thing you've got left?

Oof!

The sad part is gaming in general is getting ridiculous. Gamers are still getting bent over on $80 games and rising hardware prices.

All I know is I'm happy hanging back and playing the stuff that's been out and patched for a fraction of the price of new. I'm at the stage of questioning if I want to pay $5 for Sniper Elite 5 lol
You live in PA, games are not $80.
 
I just want to know what fucking idiot at Microsoft legit thought CoD would save Gamepass?
She should. What kind of idiot brags about Game Pass' billions in revenue right before a price hike?
So, I think you folks need to reframe your understanding on how Western megacorps and their leadership view things, especially from the sociopaths with the MBAs.

What Microsoft has largely done for 16 years has been purely focused on winning press conferences. They green light things, announce things, and focus on making fantastic presentations. The details on these things are secondary (and even tertiary) compared to just creating an amazing press conference to give the impression that they are 'winning'.

I want you to think of two very different examples of this, and how games media reacted in the aftermath of it - the PS3 Killzone 2 video, and the Xbox E3 2014 conference.

Sony's initial Killzone 2 reveal was immediately called out as not being feasible at runtime graphically at the time, and the media did not let up on seeking out clarity and trying to hold Sony accountable for that misrepresentation. This was held over Killzone as an IP by the media even as far forward as Shadowfall's release in 2013. It was very important that the media did this, and the result of it was an industry that was far more cognizant on misrepresenting their product with marketing assets.

Microsoft's E3 2014 press conference is noteworthy in a multitude of ways. Its one of the first press conferences where nearly the entire slate of announcements there either got cancelled in the following years, or were large misrepresentations on just what those titles were, or what they would be able to deliver. This was something that almost no one in the media called out until much, much later, and even then - team Xbox never got held to account for that to the degree that they should have. An entire E3 press conference, deals being signed, with titles that would just disappear.

This wasn't a practice that stopped. For the leadership team at Xbox, it was always more about being able to make impactful announcements that could sway public opinion. If we lived in a world where a product would be successful purely on the strength of press conferences, the Xbox would have been in a far better position than they were. Unfortunately for them, we live in a world where the actual output and platform's actual value proposition is what sees its success. This sort of 'win press conferences' approach to leadership is why you get a situation like RedFall. Anyone who went and played the game knew the state it was in, and would've known that this thing needed a lot of more time in the oven. There was simply no need to announce it when they did, much less release it, and yet the only reason this happened was because they wanted to win that E3 press cycle, and they wanted to show that the Bethesda acquisition was already playing towards their goals.

That is a terrible way to manage a portfolio or a platform. When all you focus on is winning the newscycle, don't be surprised when the lack of care towards the actual portfolio and platform manifests in missed targets and poor shipped software quality. And its not even like this was a new thing - you can literally trace this back to when Phil Spencer took control of the first party portfolio. I can say, without question, that the best thing for their competitors that Microsoft ever did was putting Phil Spencer in charge. The fact that he used actual marketing budget from Xbox to launch a astroturf-led PR campaign amongst gaming communities to create the folksy persona we have all grown accustomed too is just the typical sociopathy you can expect to see from the exec/corporate class of most mega corporations.
 
I have shared this story a few times so not breaking any new ground here but its funny that Phil and Ybarra shared a drink in Phils office when Jim was promoted to the head of PS as they thought he would run PS aground yet neither Phil or Mike were smart enough to realize their own ship had already struck the iceberg and they were standing in waist deep water having that drink
I'll never forget the story i'd heard, that Phil celebrated when he saw the announcement video for Horizon Forbidden West, and said Halo Infinite blew it out of the water. A month later, they did the gameplay reveal for Infinite, which went so poorly that the game got delayed out of Xbox Series launch, for over a year.
 
I'll never forget the story i'd heard, that Phil celebrated when he saw the announcement video for Horizon Forbidden West, and said Halo Infinite blew it out of the water. A month later, they did the gameplay reveal for Infinite, which went so poorly that the game got delayed out of Xbox Series launch, for over a year.
That was another issue I had with Xbox, they too easily allowed public opinion to delay games. There was no net benefit to delaying Infinite. The end product didn't look all that much better than the original showcase.
 
I'll never forget the story i'd heard, that Phil celebrated when he saw the announcement video for Horizon Forbidden West, and said Halo Infinite blew it out of the water. A month later, they did the gameplay reveal for Infinite, which went so poorly that the game got delayed out of Xbox Series launch, for over a year.
To add to that Halo Infinite reveal Ybarra told me when him and Phil got the first screening for that Ybarra actually thought it was a joke and told them that wasn't good enough and they couldn't show that and Phil said send it, thought it looked good
 
To add to that Halo Infinite reveal Ybarra told me when him and Phil got the first screening for that Ybarra actually thought it was a joke and told them that wasn't good enough and they couldn't show that and Phil said send it, thought it looked good
Yep. Phil had absolutely no taste in what made a good game. neither did Booty, Greenberg etc.

Why do those fucktards still have a job?

Rod Fergusson should have been the person they promoted to running all forst party studios.
 
This is what I get from Xbox management every time:

Xbox is hiring!

We need keen people with the vision* to shape the future of gaming. 😎

*EYES NOT NEEDED :goog_expressionless:
 
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If anyone has access to Sora 2, they could be absolutely serving some amazing meme videos right now of Satya Nadella driving the S.S. Xbox into an iceberg.

Topher Topher Can you do what Xbox doesn't and power my dreams? 😎
 
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I thought i still had some decent time left from the last time i did the 3 years of GP conversion for $1 trick, but mine expires January 30th of next year. End of an era for me. I've become so used to it just being there over the last 6 years.
 
If anyone has access to Sora 2, they could be absolutely serving some amazing meme videos right now of Satya Nadella driving the S.S. Xbox into an iceberg.
Satya's only fault is allowing these idiots to fleece him for billions for their career moments.

So, I think you folks need to reframe your understanding on how Western megacorps and their leadership view things, especially from the sociopaths with the MBAs.

What Microsoft has largely done for 16 years has been purely focused on winning press conferences. They green light things, announce things, and focus on making fantastic presentations. The details on these things are secondary (and even tertiary) compared to just creating an amazing press conference to give the impression that they are 'winning'.

I want you to think of two very different examples of this, and how games media reacted in the aftermath of it - the PS3 Killzone 2 video, and the Xbox E3 2014 conference.

Sony's initial Killzone 2 reveal was immediately called out as not being feasible at runtime graphically at the time, and the media did not let up on seeking out clarity and trying to hold Sony accountable for that misrepresentation. This was held over Killzone as an IP by the media even as far forward as Shadowfall's release in 2013. It was very important that the media did this, and the result of it was an industry that was far more cognizant on misrepresenting their product with marketing assets.

Microsoft's E3 2014 press conference is noteworthy in a multitude of ways. Its one of the first press conferences where nearly the entire slate of announcements there either got cancelled in the following years, or were large misrepresentations on just what those titles were, or what they would be able to deliver. This was something that almost no one in the media called out until much, much later, and even then - team Xbox never got held to account for that to the degree that they should have. An entire E3 press conference, deals being signed, with titles that would just disappear.

This wasn't a practice that stopped. For the leadership team at Xbox, it was always more about being able to make impactful announcements that could sway public opinion. If we lived in a world where a product would be successful purely on the strength of press conferences, the Xbox would have been in a far better position than they were. Unfortunately for them, we live in a world where the actual output and platform's actual value proposition is what sees its success. This sort of 'win press conferences' approach to leadership is why you get a situation like RedFall. Anyone who went and played the game knew the state it was in, and would've known that this thing needed a lot of more time in the oven. There was simply no need to announce it when they did, much less release it, and yet the only reason this happened was because they wanted to win that E3 press cycle, and they wanted to show that the Bethesda acquisition was already playing towards their goals.

That is a terrible way to manage a portfolio or a platform. When all you focus on is winning the newscycle, don't be surprised when the lack of care towards the actual portfolio and platform manifests in missed targets and poor shipped software quality. And its not even like this was a new thing - you can literally trace this back to when Phil Spencer took control of the first party portfolio. I can say, without question, that the best thing for their competitors that Microsoft ever did was putting Phil Spencer in charge. The fact that he used actual marketing budget from Xbox to launch a astroturf-led PR campaign amongst gaming communities to create the folksy persona we have all grown accustomed too is just the typical sociopathy you can expect to see from the exec/corporate class of most mega corporations.
I've mentioned this a lot of times, but it's very reassuring to know that I'm not wrong.. Xbox is far too focused on the media and influencer opinions and have completely stopped paying attention to the actual products and their market execution.
 
I don't know how true it is but he was on a podcast talking about how he played games with Phil, him, and Rand Al Thor. He had all the execs phone numbers except for Phil who would never give it to him. He also said Rand was pushed out when he started talking shit about Crackdown 3 and how bad it looked. So maybe he does know something.
This is the podcast for anyone who wants to listen to some high-school drama lol.

Spencer not giving his phone number to Timdog is probably his only competent action.
 
Yup, thats it.

He has actual folks on payroll playing his Xbox account to drum up his gamer score, to boost that 'gamer' image.

Its really, really sad.
I memba

Phil has been spending on average near 100 hours a week for two weeks playing Indie game Vampire Survivor.

 
Yup, thats it.

He has actual folks on payroll playing his Xbox account to drum up his gamer score, to boost that 'gamer' image.

Its really, really sad.

All I can think of is how a bunch of phoneys continuously made a mess of something that has a ton of potential in particular as a console and healthy competitor to PlayStation for the consumers bucks.

I don't know who I despise more , the management or the social media lackeys taking the "clout" to push bullshit to the genuine fan.

What a fucking waste.
 
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So, I think you folks need to reframe your understanding on how Western megacorps and their leadership view things, especially from the sociopaths with the MBAs.

What Microsoft has largely done for 16 years has been purely focused on winning press conferences. They green light things, announce things, and focus on making fantastic presentations. The details on these things are secondary (and even tertiary) compared to just creating an amazing press conference to give the impression that they are 'winning'.

I want you to think of two very different examples of this, and how games media reacted in the aftermath of it - the PS3 Killzone 2 video, and the Xbox E3 2014 conference.

Sony's initial Killzone 2 reveal was immediately called out as not being feasible at runtime graphically at the time, and the media did not let up on seeking out clarity and trying to hold Sony accountable for that misrepresentation. This was held over Killzone as an IP by the media even as far forward as Shadowfall's release in 2013. It was very important that the media did this, and the result of it was an industry that was far more cognizant on misrepresenting their product with marketing assets.

Microsoft's E3 2014 press conference is noteworthy in a multitude of ways. Its one of the first press conferences where nearly the entire slate of announcements there either got cancelled in the following years, or were large misrepresentations on just what those titles were, or what they would be able to deliver. This was something that almost no one in the media called out until much, much later, and even then - team Xbox never got held to account for that to the degree that they should have. An entire E3 press conference, deals being signed, with titles that would just disappear.

This wasn't a practice that stopped. For the leadership team at Xbox, it was always more about being able to make impactful announcements that could sway public opinion. If we lived in a world where a product would be successful purely on the strength of press conferences, the Xbox would have been in a far better position than they were. Unfortunately for them, we live in a world where the actual output and platform's actual value proposition is what sees its success. This sort of 'win press conferences' approach to leadership is why you get a situation like RedFall. Anyone who went and played the game knew the state it was in, and would've known that this thing needed a lot of more time in the oven. There was simply no need to announce it when they did, much less release it, and yet the only reason this happened was because they wanted to win that E3 press cycle, and they wanted to show that the Bethesda acquisition was already playing towards their goals.

That is a terrible way to manage a portfolio or a platform. When all you focus on is winning the newscycle, don't be surprised when the lack of care towards the actual portfolio and platform manifests in missed targets and poor shipped software quality. And its not even like this was a new thing - you can literally trace this back to when Phil Spencer took control of the first party portfolio. I can say, without question, that the best thing for their competitors that Microsoft ever did was putting Phil Spencer in charge. The fact that he used actual marketing budget from Xbox to launch a astroturf-led PR campaign amongst gaming communities to create the folksy persona we have all grown accustomed too is just the typical sociopathy you can expect to see from the exec/corporate class of most mega corporations.
There is a topic about you on Resetera.
 
There is a topic about you on Resetera.

Hilarious how they can't mention both the real name of the poster and the forum, because god forbid someone would look up SneakerSO's original posts and up in a free speech zone ... :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 
I'm thinking there won't be a full-on next gen console and third party devices like the ROG partnership are the closest we'll ever get to new Xbox hardware going forward. RIP. I love my Series X but I can't deny this is all going really, really wrong at like full speed. It's like watching a train crash in slow motion. It's just haunting.
 

I know people like to dunk on Timdog but I gotta say, he's been pretty consistent and kind of spot on with everything that's happened since last year…

He was actually on a podcast the other night and told a story that I don't know had ever been made public about how Phil was buddy buddy with Rand al Thor and then basically ghosted him and became a dickhead to him when Rand was critical of Crackdown…it was kind of wild to hear.

Phil is a scumbag and all these clowns that drank his Kool-Aid are finding out the hard way.
 
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So, I think you folks need to reframe your understanding on how Western megacorps and their leadership view things, especially from the sociopaths with the MBAs.

What Microsoft has largely done for 16 years has been purely focused on winning press conferences. They green light things, announce things, and focus on making fantastic presentations. The details on these things are secondary (and even tertiary) compared to just creating an amazing press conference to give the impression that they are 'winning'.

I want you to think of two very different examples of this, and how games media reacted in the aftermath of it - the PS3 Killzone 2 video, and the Xbox E3 2014 conference.

Sony's initial Killzone 2 reveal was immediately called out as not being feasible at runtime graphically at the time, and the media did not let up on seeking out clarity and trying to hold Sony accountable for that misrepresentation. This was held over Killzone as an IP by the media even as far forward as Shadowfall's release in 2013. It was very important that the media did this, and the result of it was an industry that was far more cognizant on misrepresenting their product with marketing assets.

Microsoft's E3 2014 press conference is noteworthy in a multitude of ways. Its one of the first press conferences where nearly the entire slate of announcements there either got cancelled in the following years, or were large misrepresentations on just what those titles were, or what they would be able to deliver. This was something that almost no one in the media called out until much, much later, and even then - team Xbox never got held to account for that to the degree that they should have. An entire E3 press conference, deals being signed, with titles that would just disappear.

This wasn't a practice that stopped. For the leadership team at Xbox, it was always more about being able to make impactful announcements that could sway public opinion. If we lived in a world where a product would be successful purely on the strength of press conferences, the Xbox would have been in a far better position than they were. Unfortunately for them, we live in a world where the actual output and platform's actual value proposition is what sees its success. This sort of 'win press conferences' approach to leadership is why you get a situation like RedFall. Anyone who went and played the game knew the state it was in, and would've known that this thing needed a lot of more time in the oven. There was simply no need to announce it when they did, much less release it, and yet the only reason this happened was because they wanted to win that E3 press cycle, and they wanted to show that the Bethesda acquisition was already playing towards their goals.

That is a terrible way to manage a portfolio or a platform. When all you focus on is winning the newscycle, don't be surprised when the lack of care towards the actual portfolio and platform manifests in missed targets and poor shipped software quality. And its not even like this was a new thing - you can literally trace this back to when Phil Spencer took control of the first party portfolio. I can say, without question, that the best thing for their competitors that Microsoft ever did was putting Phil Spencer in charge. The fact that he used actual marketing budget from Xbox to launch a astroturf-led PR campaign amongst gaming communities to create the folksy persona we have all grown accustomed too is just the typical sociopathy you can expect to see from the exec/corporate class of most mega corporations.
Tom Warren just talked about you on XboxERA podcast and pretty much stamped you with his Warren Seal of Approval, saying what you say is true and whatnot. The rest of the bozos were just laughing at you like you were a liar till their handler Timmy told them you were cool and know things.

If I were you, I don't know how I would take praise from Tom Warren except taking a very hot and very looooong shower to cleanse myself of the slime and filth of being praised by one of the biggest paid shills of the entire Xbox ecosystem. :lollipop_grinning_sweat:

EDIT: aaand since you're not part of the cult there, they don't accept your rumours/leaks and closed the thread. Wait till Timmy Tom or Schreier say the same snd it will be gospel for them. 🤓👍🏻
 
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These people do need to go asap

I have shared this story a few times so not breaking any new ground here but its funny that Phil and Ybarra shared a drink in Phils office when Jim was promoted to the head of PS as they thought he would run PS aground yet neither Phil or Mike were smart enough to realize their own ship had already struck the iceberg and they were standing in waist deep water having that drink

And on a personal note whoever the pussy is running back to Ybarra telling him I am name dropping him here make sure you get my wording correct when I said neither were smart enough to realize the situation THEY put Xbox in

And also tell him to not send me anymore Twitter PMs telling me to stop talking about him here

I have never shared vital info openly (to mods yes for some sort of proof) but I can if he wants

Don't make me go scorched earth, what's the worst he is going to do, not let me place bets on whatever no name gambling site he is working on?

Get me banned from playing on a dying console I haven't turned on in years?

mister rogers middle finger GIF
What is happening? Do you work at Microsoft? O.o
 
Satya's only fault is allowing these idiots to fleece him for billions for their career moments.


I've mentioned this a lot of times, but it's very reassuring to know that I'm not wrong.. Xbox is far too focused on the media and influencer opinions and have completely stopped paying attention to the actual products and their market execution.
That was a big reason why I never wanted to see them succeed. FUD has always been part of their culture.
 
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