Jez Corden disputes Kepler’s Xbox handheld 10M units leak: “This isn’t even slightly true btw”
Topher
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ChorizoPicozo
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how can someone drops below zero credibility..... let's find out. Remember.... Jez is not a journalist, just a mouth piece for Xbox and will protect Phil at all cost
BlackTron
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btw
Buggy Loop
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DeepEnigma
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Buggy Loop
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BlackTron
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Phil himself might intercept the package delivery of this months free Gamepass tshirt. And it's not even the shirt, it's knowing you crossed His boundary that will cost many sleepless nights
DeepEnigma
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It's being used in the ASUS Ally as well, it's not custom to Valve.Steam deck's Van Gogh is fully custom, and really not anywhere close to 10M units.
Bry0
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They did not really design Van Gogh. It was supposed to be used for the magic leap originally. Valve got lucky.Steam deck's Van Gogh is fully custom, and really not anywhere close to 10M units.
Buggy Loop
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Eh, I didn't know they opened the gate to use it elsewhere, well that's 6 months ago. Z2 A only, again, a fraction of a fraction of 10M units required. It started as a custom APU for Steam deck (or magic leap, doesn't matter, a custom APU for a niche product) and they leveraged it to other platforms, my point still stands, where's your 10M units? It's not a Z1 / Z1 Extreme, Z2 / Z2 extreme laptop APU. It's very much a niche APU.
Mind boggling that a new product stack from AMD in 2025 was Zen 2 + RDNA 2. Fucking hell, we need Nvidia in.
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nial
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Maybe because it was not supposed to be a PC handheld and Xbox's direct competitor (PlayStation) DID show a commitment to the requirement?
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PauloRoberto
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Im with ez on that one... probably it was lower than 10 M chips and MS folded anyway (cheap shot, but MS management team deserves it, sorry)
Buggy Loop
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And why would PC handheld have a different rule? It's silicon, fab capacity and a production line. Niche as PC handhelds are, why would AMD supply them then. Why even have Van Gogh APU? Even with laptops I doubt a Z2 Extreme ever sees 10M units.
Do peoples understand the kind of leverage MS has? Its not just gaming.
If I was MS and AMD answered that shit to me? Oh I'm sorry AMD, I guess the $100B Stargate AI supercomputer is off the table for bids
You tell me Valve comes in with their hobbyist PC handheld numbers and it's fine? lol
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Durin
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I could honestly see it going either way, and Microsoft's not in a strong position to shill a handheld.
They're at least doing some good things with the UI front-end part, but they still gotta implement a better sleep mode that acts like a real suspend state like the Switch or Steam Deck. I do consider that an essential to be able to just hit the power button, and in a few seconds it's in a state where I can just throw it in a bag and forget about it, to then turn it on and be where I left off.
The only advantage they really have is anti-cheat support for some multiplayer games that are gonna get limited playtime, and would've been game pass if they did screw that up.
They're at least doing some good things with the UI front-end part, but they still gotta implement a better sleep mode that acts like a real suspend state like the Switch or Steam Deck. I do consider that an essential to be able to just hit the power button, and in a few seconds it's in a state where I can just throw it in a bag and forget about it, to then turn it on and be where I left off.
The only advantage they really have is anti-cheat support for some multiplayer games that are gonna get limited playtime, and would've been game pass if they did screw that up.
DeepEnigma
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Bingo.
kevboard
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not all of them.
the Steam Deck's SoC was designed for the Deck first, and was then after that turned into a part that other Handhelds used in different variants, like the Z2 A is an improved variant of the Van Gogh SoC.
but the Van Gogh SoC was definitely purpose designed for the Deck. and SoCs like that ending up being repurposed later is also pretty normal for AMD, which is why you can get motherboards with Xbox CPUs and stuff in places like china, where AMD uses them as cheap alternatives to normal CPUs and motherboards.
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Humdinger
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Jez leading the way with proper journalism once again. If only others would follow his lead. I am astonished at the lack of respect being shown to someone so incredibly well-connected and well-respected within the industry. Jez has a relentless dedication to the truth. When an industry titan like Jez speaks, it is incumbent on us to listen.
bitbydeath
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intheinbetween
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Pretty much this, but common sense is overrated nowadays
VolticArchangel
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Who's gonna be right?
A guy with direct sources from amd and nvidia or a bean chugging british fatty boi with a track record worse than hiphopgamer?
Next time, on Twitter Ball Z!
A guy with direct sources from amd and nvidia or a bean chugging british fatty boi with a track record worse than hiphopgamer?
Next time, on Twitter Ball Z!
Bry0
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Again, no Van Gogh was not designed for the steam deck, it was repurposed. See my previous post.
Setsuna Mudou
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Yeah... no... it's affordable, not new.
If you want new, you have strix Halo GPD WIN 5
Curious to see all those amazing Nvidia APUs that outperform this on a handheld while keeping costs at a reasonable price for the mass market. Ah right, there's the Switch and Switch 2
kevboard
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so it was purpose designed for another piece of hardware? ok... still, it isn't an off the shelf part. and I doubt AMD expected to sell 10 million AR headset chips.
DenchDeckard
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Sorry Jiz, I'm going with our boy Kepler.
This just sounds like business.
This just sounds like business.
Setsuna Mudou
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The best part of this MS nut guzzler's "denials" are 5 to 8 words long and equivalent to
Nothing to back it up, nothing to elaborate. He really thinks his statement is somehow an authority
Nothing to back it up, nothing to elaborate. He really thinks his statement is somehow an authority
Burger King
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Jez is our last stand.
The hero we deserve, but not the one it needs right now.
The hero we deserve, but not the one it needs right now.
Buggy Loop
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Yeah... no... it's affordable, not new.
If you want new, you have strix Halo GPD WIN 5
Curious to see all those amazing Nvidia APUs that outperform this on a handheld while keeping costs at a reasonable price for the mass market. Ah right, there's the Switch and Switch 2
Like AMD keeping costs within $50-$100 of Nvidia dedicated GPUs? So cheap /s
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nial
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But Van Gogh isn't even for exclusive use by Valve, while this would be a more powerful and more expensive (in R&D) chip commissioned several years later by a company with a larger share in the general gaming hardware hardware, probably meant to be sold for a relative discount. I don't think it'd be weird for AMD to ask a bigger commitment for Microsoft.And why would PC handheld have a different rule? It's silicon, fab capacity and a production line. Niche as PC handhelds are, why would AMD supply them then. Why even have Van Gogh APU? Even with laptops I doubt a Z2 Extreme ever sees 10M units.
Do peoples understand the kind of leverage MS has? Its not just gaming.
If I was MS and AMD answered that shit to me? Oh I'm sorry AMD, I guess the $100B Stargate AI supercomputer is off the table for bids
You tell me Valve comes in with their hobbyist PC handheld numbers and it's fine? lol
Buggy Loop
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It was used exclusively from 2022 to 2025 by Valve, it was even written on the APU, cmon. The argument "it's not really custom!" when just 6 months ago it was announced they are recycling it in cheap PC handhelds is not a valid excuse for when Valve knocked on AMD's door and had hobbyist levels of expected sales.
Ellis
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Poor sod is never living that down is he
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nial
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It wasn't originally made FOR Valve, and again, AMD wouldn't really have any reason to ask for Valve the same kind of commitment as Microsoft (a company with a far larger market share than Valve on the gaming hardware sector), that is directly commissioning them to develop an actual new, more expensive chip.
Microsoft would surely feel more inclined to commit to the requirement for a new home console.
Bry0
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Because the design was sold to more than just valve. AMD did not build it from the ground up just for valve. It is a huge cost and takes up production resources to make a specialized chip, and with the big mi450 deal AMD just signed, they are going to get more particular with where they allocate production capacity.
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Van Gogh was definitely not designed for the Steam Deck with Valve as the customer, this is very obvious from the fact that Valve doesn't even use Cadence Computer Vision DSPs on the chip. Why would Valve put those there if it was for a handheld without cameras? IMO, it's pretty clear the chip was aimed as some AR/robotics/car market initially and Valve just got lucky the chip was available. It was in leaked in AMD roadmaps way back in like 2020 as a "Premium Form Factors" chip.
DeepEnigma
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I just stopped responding. So much mental gymnastics over such obvious logic.
Van Gogh was akin to nVidia Tegra X1 in practice.
The cope is still strong. Is why.
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Topher
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Gamer79
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RetroGamingUK
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30 year old Jez about to pop his cherry
nial
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People are always weird with Kepler for no reason. I once defended him on ERA when someone tried to dismiss his comment (specifically on the dispute with Welfare over the Xbox sales) because he was posting on a "trash site" like NeoGAF, lol. The funnier part was that Welfare was literally posting here as well.
Or this:He's really good at denying shit
Sarah Bond became the head of Xbox just 4 months later.
ChorizoPicozo
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yeah, but cheaper
Buggy Loop
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Not even as of now actually, unless I missed some obscure handheld that released Z2A before Asus, the only upcoming Z2A is ROG Xbox ally and releases in 10 days. The only Van Gogh product you can buy today is Steam deck.
Right.... so they built a custom one for *checks note* Magic leap, a deal that fell through and that had no chance of even gaining 1M userbase. The project that had written flop all over it with $2,300 headsets.
Valve was the only one buying of Van gogh from 2021 (chip tape out) to now.
And who is investing more in AI than almost anyone worldwide alongside being a huge financial partnership with openAI? Can you take a guess? Microsoft. Like I said, Microsoft accepting "10M units or fuck off" is probably not the whole story here and is unlike any partnership Microsoft has had with AMD. Really hard to believe. Telling fuck off to one of your biggest professional side partner. Really.
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DeepEnigma
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He's really good at denying shit
