[MLiD] AMD Magnus APU Full Leak: RDNA 5, Zen 6, 110 TOPS NPU = XBOX Next-Gen Console!



Chapters:
0:00 (NEW Leak) Pics of AMD's XBOX Magnus APU!
1:12 Cheap for PC, Expensive for Console
3:57 Why you should be excited for Next-Gen XBOX…
5:10 XBOX Magnus is NOT Cancelled!
9:14 RDNA 5 & XBOX's Cancelled Handheld APU
14:10 (NEW Leak) XBOX Magnus Specs & Release Date
20:25 XBOX Magnus Performance vs PlayStation 6
23:00 XBOX MUST DO THIS to Succeed Next-Gen!

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"if I said it was for ps6, it would get more clicks"

" I was a bit sloppy, I apologise for that"

Keep farming that engagement. Shill.
 
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The specs are good. 250-350W power is more like it. Not sure why PS6 will only use 160W ? He also says that it will run steam, windows, apps. Which sounds more like a hybrid device than a gaming console.
 
The specs are good. 250-350W power is more like it. Not sure why PS6 will only use 160W ? He also says that it will run steam, windows, apps. Which sounds more like a hybrid device than a gaming console.
My understanding is that the APU can do this, and while M$ will use this for both their console and PC hybrid, only the console gets proper Xbox BC. Keen to see how it shakes out.
Very interested to see what becomes of that NPU.
 
Has this guy ever been right?
Define 'right' in a leaker.

Toss it at AI and you will get something similar to below. Which from my experience with him seems fair. Dismissing him outright is stupid, signing up to his specs is asking to be disappointed.



  • Overall assessment (last 5 years):


    • Directional accuracy (is device real / roadmap intent): ~65–75%
    • Numeric / detailed accuracy (exact TFLOPS, die sizes, release dates): ~40–55%
 
Yeah but I wouldn't consider it reliable. There's a couple of these rumor channels that have tons of crossover because a lot of the time the source is a public post like sneakers did the other day.

No.

He's "right" towards the tail-end of things. He just posts every since rumor under the sun because it obviously gets the clicks and people here still continue to link to his channel

Define 'right' in a leaker.

Toss it at AI and you will get something similar to below. Which from my experience with him seems fair. Dismissing him outright is stupid, signing up to his specs is asking to be disappointed.



  • Overall assessment (last 5 years):

    • Directional accuracy (is device real / roadmap intent): ~65–75%
    • Numeric / detailed accuracy (exact TFLOPS, die sizes, release dates): ~40–55%


This has been covered in countless MLID threads. The guy has a legitimate source at AMD but a lot of the time interprets the data incorrectly, like calling Magnus PS6, or adding his own thoughts on it.
 
Is 2026 off the table now? The prospect of an early jump on PS6 was the only thing it had going for it…

That would have been bad. They'll get big boost in mindshare off ps6 hype with clickbait trying to make a horse race out of it.
 
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'd probably buy it if it will play all my legacy Xbox stuff.
So many questions remain to be answered. Usually we would just be wondering about performance/price, but with this it starts with what category it even falls in. I cant even begin assess value.

Is 2026 off the table now? The prospect of an early jump on PS6 was the only thing it had going for it…
I don't think it was ever on the table, people just liked the idea. It never seemed credible to me AMD could have that platform ready a year before the PS6, when the PS6 design started early enough it probably had some influence on the Magnus product line. It makes sense that they both hit production within a quarter or two.
 
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I won't lie, the specs look impressive, and what the PS6 should have been close to instead of whatever 160W bandwidth starved fuckery the leaks gave us. I am curious about the purpose of the NPU. The gpu already has insane TOP capability how would the NPU contribute?...dont tell me they are going to force Copilot on it, running on the NPU. If they allow steam on this well, this thing looks mighty tasty and a surprising value proposition. High-tier pc specs for around 800$ with access to a vast steam library and the xbox lineup...I would buy it, honestly, just for the PC games.

This brings in an interesting question will Microsoft allow full Windows on this thing, knowing the possibility of it getting cracked quickly and how will they monetize their ecosystem when the majority will just use steam instead of gamepass on this thing. How will they sustain their ecosystem, especially since now they are going all in on software?
 
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Xbox is so dead even if they release whatever this is, even heavily subsidized it will cost a ton and still not be a console. Their console hardware business is dead, if not seeming like right now, pretty soon it will be apparent. Like an arrow that's still in flight, destination is final but no one can call it while it's still in the air.
 
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I watched the video. 30% more powerful than PS6.
Uh huh. I'll just translate that to 'on par or there abouts' with a PS6.
Second verse same as the first.
 
"if I said it was for ps6, it would get more clicks"

" I was a bit sloppy, I apologise for that"

Keep farming that engagement. Shill.
Wait, he admitted he called it PS6 APU in order to get clicks?
The specs are good. 250-350W power is more like it. Not sure why PS6 will only use 160W ? He also says that it will run steam, windows, apps. Which sounds more like a hybrid device than a gaming console.
PC/Console convergence. The form factor is STILL Console.
My understanding is that the APU can do this, and while M$ will use this for both their console and PC hybrid, only the console gets proper Xbox BC. Keen to see how it shakes out.
Very interested to see what becomes of that NPU.
That's not what Lisa Su said, she spoke of Console library BC (also implying FC) across the entire portfolio of devices.

PC/Console convergence means the APU is dual purpose, can run both PC and Console games. Both form factors get benefits added, Consoles get third party PC stores, and Xbox PCs get library BC/FC. The form factors will have differentiation as MS is not getting rid of Console form factor.

Goal is complete ecosystem across PC | Console | Cloud | Mobile
408mm² die size, 12 mb L3 cache is gonna be expensive, and it's on N3P.
Sarah Bond did say the greatest leap ever for consoles or something. Kepler said it's RTX 5080 tier.
 
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That would have been bad. They'll get big boost in mindshare off ps6 hype with clickbait trying to make a horse race out of it.
Given the likely price difference, there will not even be an imaginary horse race to clickbait with. Sounds like the narrative is shifting to compete with gaming PCs instead. Good luck with that!
 
Realistically speaking, if this thing launches, per trajectory Xbox Magnus will have even lesser sales than Xbox Series S and X.

Is Microsoft really ready for that. No way it sells more than 20M boxes this time.
 
Wait, he admitted he called it PS6 APU in order to get clicks?
Yeah the curtain got pulled back a little bit. I mean it should come as no surprise, its right in front of you with clickbait titles/stills etc on most peoples content who make a livelihood from YT. It highlights that part of evaluating a leaker is motive. But you won't make much of a living without some accuracy.
 
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I have said before but 99% their "greatest leap ever" is going to be AI perf comparison using FP16 Vector on Series X (24 TFlops) vs Sparse Matrix FP4 on Magnus (~3000 TFlops)
Going from 24 to 3000 is a giant freaking leap, so it makes sense. Even if that statement was regarding AI performance, there's still quite a bit of leaps in other stuff. Going from 2080 tier Series X to rtx 5080 tier Magnus in Rasterization, and whatever multiplier for Ray Tracing.
 
I have said before but 99% their "greatest leap ever" is going to be AI perf comparison using FP16 Vector on Series X (24 TFlops) vs Sparse Matrix FP4 on Magnus (~3000 TFlops)
I think they may combine AI with RT, so that they can showcase a 4k native path traced game running at 1 fps on series X and better looking Faux-k on Magnus at 120 fps with multi frame gen. Voila! Greatest leap ever! 120x the performance!
 
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The specs are good. 250-350W power is more like it. Not sure why PS6 will only use 160W ? He also says that it will run steam, windows, apps. Which sounds more like a hybrid device than a gaming console.
PS6 wants to stay in consumer range pricing.

Wait, he admitted he called it PS6 APU in order to get clicks?
PC/Console convergence. The form factor is STILL Console.
That's not what Lisa Su said, she spoke of Console library BC (also implying FC) across the entire portfolio of devices.
PC/Console convergence means the APU is dual purpose, can run both PC and Console games. Both form factors get benefits added, Consoles get third party PC stores, and Xbox PCs get library BC/FC. The form factors will have differentiation as MS is not getting rid of Console form factor.
Goal is complete ecosystem across PC | Console | Cloud | Mobile
There is no "Console APU", consoles defined by framework and not by chip.
And there are legal issues that make it impossible/very hard to converge consoles and PC library - MS can put Steam on it's console but it can't put console games (3rd party, with no prior agreement) on Steam or any other PC store, even MS own store.
 
Wait, he admitted he called it PS6 APU in order to get clicks?

PC/Console convergence. The form factor is STILL Console.

That's not what Lisa Su said, she spoke of Console library BC (also implying FC) across the entire portfolio of devices.

PC/Console convergence means the APU is dual purpose, can run both PC and Console games. Both form factors get benefits added, Consoles get third party PC stores, and Xbox PCs get library BC/FC. The form factors will have differentiation as MS is not getting rid of Console form factor.

Goal is complete ecosystem across PC | Console | Cloud | Mobile

Sarah Bond did say the greatest leap ever for consoles or something. Kepler said it's RTX 5080 tier.
Yup. Literally what I've been saying for the last few months and have sometimes been called out on it....he then goes and straight up says it.

Not even hiding it anymore, lmao.
Yeah the curtain got pulled back a little bit. I mean it should come as no surprise, its right in front of you with clickbait titles/stills etc on most peoples content who make a livelihood from YT. It highlights that part of evaluating a leaker is motive. But you won't make much of a living without some accuracy.
Yup, he knows what works for his audience so he says what will resonate with them. For MLiD it's Sony and AMD fans.

Just listen how carefully he speaks about the power differences between the two chips.

If the next Xbox releases it will be more expensive than ps6 but considerably more powerful.
 
PS6 wants to stay in consumer range pricing.
I seriously want to know the added costs are for shipping a 250W product compard to a 160W product.

More cooling, higher BOM. Bigger box, higher costs once the product leaves the factory. I wonder how much this is in $/product.
 
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