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[Robb]

Nintendo is right there. It's all video games at the end of the day. I'm 42 and I still play Nintendo. I've never bought the argument that's it's a different audience. Ms doesn't either by the way. They've cited Nintendo as competition. I'm perfectly fine without ms next gen. They've added nothing this gen game wise. You can play all their games elsewhere. They have no place anymore

I'm not saying Nintendo isn't competition, but they offer a different product.

I love my Switch 2 but it isn't a direct substitute to the Series X or Ps5 in terms of hardware nor features. Ps6 will (should) be, and I imagine it'll be the only viable option next gen for anyone looking to replace those specifically.

 

[DenchDeckard]

AI Overview

AMD's 2028 roadmap includes the launch of the AM6 socket for desktop CPUs, likely with a new Zen 7 architecture, and a potential next-generation console partnership with Sony, potentially for the PlayStation 6. The AM6 socket is expected to offer more pins for increased power and I/O bandwidth. While 2028 is a target for the desktop launch, the company is already developing Zen 6 for mobile and desktop in 2026-2027.
But I mean 2027 release surprised more or less everyone, so I don't understand why you even ask to a prove.

Why would 2027 surprise anyone. That's 7 years like previous PlayStation's.

 

[near]

PS6 bombaaaaaaaa

 

[Soodanim]

Cause that happened with one of the 7 gaming devices they released and the PS3 still ended up being pretty great.

The whole "Sony is only good when Xbox is keeping them in check" narrative is nonsense. Xbox has only been competitive in 1 generation.

My bad, I forgot that consumers only benefit when there's less competition. If only we had more monopolies, everything would be so cheap!

 

[DenchDeckard]

I honestly think traditional adult gamers are the ones in for a shock. A lot of you are still talking about PS vs Xbox next gen. Thats over. Xbox isn't competing the same way it use to. It's really mostly down hill for a lot of us here. games are going toward more Roblox and less summer block buster and AI hasn't even really hit yet to push that,, but soon.

Yup. There's going to be less and less big tentpole single player games. I honestly think last of us 2 was the final push for a huge budget game, with all the hype. The problem is that naughty dog upset sooooo many people that suits will not sign off on that kind of budget again.

It only takes one pr disaster such as a leak to completely crater your chances of profit.

Gamers hate everything right now and it's like walking on eggshells trying to make everyone happy. It's the publishers fault though, trying to inject so much politics into their games.

These huge single player games will be gone until someone takes the risk and does it right....if we ever see that happen again.

I think we will see more AA games like silent hill F that find their market of a couple of million units sold. Which will be great but we won't have the hype and excitement for big single player games

Honestly, speaking to my kids and their friends....they have literally 0 interest in awesome narrative driven single player games. It's crazy to me. They have no interest in a solid narrative. They want quick accessible gameplay.

Roblox. Rocket league. Fortnite etc.

 

[awwr999999]

Not sure if you're going to like reading this, but everything you said is why there's going to be a PS5 or PS6 level handheld at or near launch. That's one of Sony's gamechangers to their next-gen console launch, compared to their previous
They'll need to hit different types of gamers and being able to play your crossgen games that come out between 2027-2030 on the go will be very important. Especially with cloud saves and cloud gaming getting bigger.

PlayStation making another handheld console will be a mistake.
PlayStation exists as TV-centric game consoles that play physical disks and PlayStation games reflect this.
PlayStation's best games (Silent Hill, GTA, SotC, TLOU, etc.) are games made for TVs of all sizes but don't lend themselves to handheld screens.
In terms of consoles, a PS2 slim sized console for TVs that's as portable as the docked Switch is a better position for PlayStation.

 

[Ashamam]

It sounds like it will be the only mid range high volume console option. Its addressable market has increased somewhere between 50% to 100% with the change in competitive landscape. The only thing that could sink them is price, and it 'seems' like they are going to be fairly aggressive in keeping costs down if the specs are anything to go by. Option 4 it is.

 

[Exede]

I bought every PS on release day, but i will be in no rush to get the 6, Sony teached me with the 5 that there will be almost no exclusives when the console launches and that it will have cross gen games for years to come.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

PS6 will sell exactly like PS5 is doing right now.

Its mostly about being well priced, widely available, with some promotions to spur adaptations here and there.

They will likely have figured out the type of games they wanna make. It will be marginally better in that term I suppose.

 

[Apollo Helios]

First time since forever theres ZERO chance of me buying the new PS day 01
- shitty exclusives
- shitty support for the pro
- gaaaaaaaaaas
- wokenes
- even bigger crossgen

After 5 gens of playstation Im good... just going to wait.

It's actually your complete loss and our fateful gain. I don't want YOU on my platform anyway, good riddance.

 

[evanft]

PS6 will likely sell about the same as PS5. I could see it selling less due to GTA6 boosting PS5 next year, though.

 

[KiteGr]

Their competitors are no longer Microsoft, but Steam. They've started offering the console experience in their platform, they have the superior service, the superior library, they have always been digital only and Sony has started loosing people's and retailer's trust with the current gen.

 

[Esppiral]

Nah, they still be doing fine, fanboysm is still going strong

 

[Bernardougf]

It's actually your complete loss and our fateful gain. I don't want YOU on my platform anyway, good riddance.

 

[consoul]

Topic is called:
Sony Will Be In For A Shock Next Gen

OP's long rambling post concludes by saying even they don't think PS6 will sell poorly. Where is the shock?

 

[skit_data]

The thread title reads like a Paul Tassi headline

 

[Karim]

Why would 2027 surprise anyone. That's 7 years like previous PlayStation's.

Did you read what I quoted? Considered the ps5 pro, the costs , the past covid and the AMD roadmap for next generation, 2028 seemed more probable for the ps6, how the hell you can say was predictable?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

PS6 will likely sell about the same as PS5. I could see it selling less due to GTA6 boosting PS5 next year, though.

GTA6 will do well on PS6 too, especially with anyone who wants 60fps

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

GTA6 will do well on PS6 too, especially with anyone who wants 60fps

And on PS7 for those who want the Raytracing version.

 

[Karim]

And on PS7 for those who want the Raytracing version.

Raytracing is already on ps5 base...

 

[yurinka]

I think PS6 will sell better than PS5 not only because they'll have expanded the PS userbase during the PS5 generation, but also because of having defeated Xbox, because won't have the covid related shortages and because of the help of the portable.

And I think this even considering that the migration from PS5 to PS6 will be even slower than the PS4 to PS5 because I think PS5+PS6 crossgen, PS5 GaaS and PS5 PS+ game sub will be stronger than PS4+PS5 crossgen, PS4 GaaS and PS4 PS+.

Like in every generation, each team will need more time and budget to release their AAA games than in the previous one, but every generation there are more teams and and games released than in the previous ones.

 

[Trilobit]

I really don't feel any sorrow about the fact that I'll skip the PS6 and just enjoy my PS5 until PS7 arrives. Knowing the slow drip of first party games there really isn't anything stopping me from going PC/Switch 2 only for next gen.

If I get a craving for more Playstation Studios lesbians in my games they're just one mod away.

 

[Karim]

I think PS6 will sell better than PS5 not only because they'll have expanded the PS userbase during the PS5 generation, but also because of having defeated Xbox and because won't have the covid related shortages.

Hardly. I would shocked if it sell like the ps5 only. Home console market is resized terribly the last decade.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Raytracing is already on ps5 base...

Sorry let me rephrase that: actual GOOD raytracing for the PS7 version.

 

[Karim]

Sorry let me rephrase that: actual GOOD raytracing for the PS7 version.

Define bad raytracing. Because on actual console is limited but not surely bad. And raytracing tech is already outdated, path tracing is infinitely better (which is the target of ps6).

 

[Badlucktroll]

i think the best gift of the current gen is konami slowly but surely creeping back in

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Define bad raytracing. Because on actual console is limited but not surely bad. And raytracing tech is already outdated, path tracing is infinitely better (which is the target of ps6).

I'm just making a joke about how badly Rockstar will inevitably milk GTA6 for three generations while they take 15 years to make the sequel like they did for GTA5. It's not that serious. You're reading too much into it.

 

[yurinka]

Hardly. I would shocked if it sell like the ps5 only. Home console market is resized terribly the last decade.

In the last decade both PS and Nintendo kept improving almost all their KPIs every generation, Xbox it's the only one that kept considerably declining.

 

[Karim]

I'm just making a joke about how badly Rockstar will inevitably milk GTA6 for three generations while they take 15 years to make the sequel like they did for GTA5. It's not that serious. You're reading too much into it.

Unfortunately Rockstar is became a greedy multinational without any soul. I miss Rockstar of the ps2/ps360 era. So many new IPs, a lot of experimental stuff, now survive just with the success of 2 brands and they refuse to take any risks or to release something else. Shame and disgusting company. Fuck them.

 

[Karim]

In the last decade both PS and Nintendo kept improving almost all their KPIs every generation, Xbox it's the only one that kept considerably declining.

Portable market is completely different to the home console if I can say, that's why sony want to try again. Though I think first or later handheld console market will end to be resized. I wait to see how much switch 2 will sell, but I have some doubt it can achieve a result even close to the first one.

 

[SoraNoKuni]

Bad take that takes no consideration of technology advancement.

I know a lot of folks hate the buzzword AI, but it will accelerate Video Game production a lot while making it cheaper.

PS6 will launch in an era where those tools will be able to code at a better than senior level coder and generate 3d models on command.

The silver lining is that the creative executives/directors and talented personnel must know and understand how much they have to rely on those tools to not create something without soul.

Sony is greatly positioned with their IPs, Nintendo even better.

 

[BlackTron]

I really don't feel any sorrow about the fact that I'll skip the PS6 and just enjoy my PS5 until PS7 arrives. Knowing the slow drip of first party games there really isn't anything stopping me from going PC/Switch 2 only for next gen.

If I get a craving for more Playstation Studios lesbians in my games they're just one mod away.

We still need to actually see what happens, but I'm still content holding the PS4 Pro just to maintain the ability to (rarely) play blurays and astrobot 1, which only works on VR1. I'd like the sequel sure, but it's not worth a whole hardware like the first one, when just about everything else is PC except Demon's Souls, a remake.

Either way Sony's future won't be decided by my take. I held off on PS5 and they're doing fine. Maybe they made a few mistakes, but they have an opportunity to course-correct, and even if they don't, who else is there? Sony will eventually have a problem of failing to grow and catering to a shrinking console base if they mess up too badly, but they have the space to learn from any error several times over.

 

[Hector Hall]

Sony won't have too much problemm

It's true diminishing returns and platforms as the PS5 being more than enough for most types of games, that could slow the adoption of PS6.

But that's why Nishino spoke about the multigeneration platform.

PS5 and the handheld will be there next Gen, probably PS5 as only digital and a price tag around 350 as a entry point device into the ecosystem.

Most soft will release both on PS6/PS5, except some tent pole games for PS6, until the last year's of the Gen.

PlayStation 6 will sell well, most fans we will upgrade when we can, the price will be way better than PC or Xbox for high end gaming, they can add some portable buyers with the handheld, and the Playstation platform as a multigeneration one will be fine don't worry.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Simple as that. No drive, no purchase. Then I'll build myself a new gaming PC. It will be PS7-level, with a Ryzen 9800X3D and the most powerful Radeon UDNA card. The lineup is already pathetic.

 

[yurinka]

Portable market is completely different to the home console if I can say, that's why sony want to try again. Though I think first or later handheld console market will end to be resized. I wait to see how much switch 2 will sell, but I have some doubt it can achieve a result even close to the first one.

Yes, portable market is pretty different than home console market due to having different games and not being able to run the high end games.

But I think that can change if Sony as rumored really manages a way of running the whole (or most) PS4/PS5 catalog in a portable without requiring dedicated ports.

I think tech wise it's too hard, almost impossible. Sounds to me like fantasy. But if with some Cerny magic they achieve it, and on top of that implement crossbuy to turn it into a PS Player 2.0 that now also runs the games natively, I think that could change the portable landscape considerably because for the first time most modern AAAs would be in portables day one and without meaningful downgrades.

It would also mean that dozens of millions of PS players would see it extra appealing if they have access there to the giant PS catalog, with all the games they already bought in home consoles available without needing to be bought again.

Sounds too optimistic, but if they achieve it I think it could generate a big synergy between the Sony portable and home console and would give it a key advantage over Switch.

 

[RCU005]

Sadly, cross-gen games will be the norm for Sony first party titles. The PS5 sold well enough to make Sony want to keep it around like they did the PS4.

Nintendo ditched the Switch from the start with Mario Kart World being Switch 2 exclusive from launch. That's how it's supposed to be: Making your best games exclusive to the new console to entice people to buy it. Sony did it too, but I believe they felt so comfortable with the PS4, they were afraid to move on.

Add to that the terrible decision to focus on GaaS. Maybe they learned their lesson, but I don't think so, because it would require a leadership change. Also, if the handheld add-on gets to be true (which they would be doing because they keep chasing trends), forget about games having "next-gen" graphics/mechanics/etc at all.

Many people will be more careful when buying a PS6. I think Sony made the PS4 so great, that for many, the PS5 was an impulse purchase, a no-brainer. This time around it will be the opposite, specially considering other factos too, like the huge price it will probably have.

 

[Lunarorbit]

PS is fucked. The economy is gonna get much worse by the time the ps6 comes out. There will be very little excitement for it when it comes out.

No covid bump to help sales. 1st party is a mess even though I'm enjoying ghosts. The criticisms of all their games being 1st person cinematic prestige events has not gone away and is only highlighted but all their gaas failures.

Selling shittier ps5s and charging more for them? I'm definitely noticing all of this and it certainly affects my purchasing decisions.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Did you read what I quoted? Considered the ps5 pro, the costs , the past covid and the AMD roadmap for next generation, 2028 seemed more probable for the ps6, how the hell you can say was predictable?

Because that's what history shows us. Those other consoles may have launched in the midst of other global issues. Recession etc, but it didn't stop them.

Businesses follow trends that they know what works. Like you said, if they are delayed it will be due to the reasons you said but they will still aim for what they have previously seen success with...which is 7 years. If it slips it's because of something major, probably.

 

[FalconPunch]

Topic is called:
Sony Will Be In For A Shock Next Gen

OP's long rambling post concludes by saying even they don't think PS6 will sell poorly. Where is the shock?

I meant to say "may be in for a shock" but, I can't edit the title.

 

[The_Mike]

Ps5 has been the best selling playstation console, and for a long time it didn't even have games.

PS6 will be more than fine.

Sony will probably be the last gaming company standing of them all

 

[bighugeguns]

Ps5 has been the best selling playstation console, and for a long time it didn't even have games.

PS6 will be more than fine.

Sony will probably be the last gaming company standing of them all

The fuck? No? PSIl, duder.

 

[Syphon Filter]

You are correct but sony fanboys will cope and try to make believe you are wrong. The people who made ps1-ps3 or even ps4 are long gone and you can see right now that ps5 is the worst "ps" console by far. Every single studio is now literally infested with dei so that is why each game is woke now from them like yotei and even next year with woke intergallactic and woke wolverine.

 

[Dafegamer]

Thanks to Jim Hack(Ryan), them having to cancel at least 8 out of the 12 promised service Games in development, was hopefully a huge eye opener for Sony. Many of their Studio sadly had to start from the scratch again, which highly damaged their release pace for the current Gen. Compared to the other Generations, the next will be the first time that I won't purchase a PlayStation console day one, given my disappointment with PS5's current state of Games. I also want to clarify that yes I know that Ghost of Yotei has just released, however I wasn't even a fan of Tsushima when I played it. It was a decent game, but I wasn't a huge fan of it as I've played many Games like it before and the Open World formula it had was very tiring for me already. I'm also not a fan of Sucker Punch Games in general post Sly Cooper, as the Games tend to copy tiring formulas of its respective Gens(Infamous= Crackdown, GOT/GOY = Assassin's Creed etc)

 

[Nydius]

This is probably the weakest generation for PlayStation that I can recall, at least in terms of first party releases and dealing with high profile flops. Despite this the PS5 is close to neck-and-neck with PS4 sales in a time adjusted comparison.

If they can still sell this strongly without a constant parade of big first party titles and after major commercial blunders like Concord, I don't see why the PS6 would be in any "trouble".

The only thing I can see stifling the PS6 has nothing to do with Sony: Global economics. Especially if prices continue to go up over the next two years like they have the past two years.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

I agree with the others that say the only way for the PS brand to have continued success is to do what made them what they are: traditional consoles with cinematic, single player games. It's fine for them to dabble in other markets like VR and GaaS, but they need to stick to their roots or they instantly become just another generic option in a sea of generic options out there.

 

[HJuggernaut]

Sony is coming in cheap and MS is going with 1200 dollar console, yea Sony will win easily.

 

[PlayStaytion]

Overlapping sales numbers will happen cause all these bad consumers decisions when they bought their console and for them, the negatives outweigh the positives then guess what? they will skip the ps6.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

I agree with the others that say the only way for the PS brand to have continued success is to do what made them what they are: traditional consoles with cinematic, single player games. It's fine for them to dabble in other markets like VR and GaaS, but they need to stick to their roots or they instantly become just another generic option in a sea of generic options out there.

The market is moving to GAAS though. Sony doesn't have that much of a choice.

Sony is coming in cheap and MS is going with 1200 dollar console, yea Sony will win easily.

The PS6 won't be cheap. The PS5 will be Sony's 'cheap' console.

Low end XBoxPC machines, Steam Box with low end hardware could be a problem because of Free MP.

 

[midnightAI]

Why do I have this feeling that it will be the OP that will be in shock at how well the PS6 does next gen? (dunno, there is just something about the direction that PlayStation and AMD are going that may shock a few people with its capabilities..... at a reasonable price. Maybe they just talk a good game but that recent talk certainly has some weight to it)

 

[midnightAI]

The market is moving to GAAS though. Sony doesn't have that much of a choice.



The PS6 won't be cheap. The PS5 will be Sony's 'cheap' console.

Low end XBoxPC machines, Steam Box with low end hardware could be a problem because of Free MP.

What do you mean by won;t be cheap, have a figure in mind?