RetroGamingUK
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Sony is going into next gen in good position
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CentralScrutinizer
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Sony is cooked if they have to rely on good game design to sell their games.
RetroGamingUK
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Sony's first party games aren't that important.
Here in Europe as long as they've got FIFA/EAFC they'll sell tens of millions of consoles.
Why are they cooked? They are going through what some would call their weakest generation in first party and are about to be the second best selling console for them next to PS2 and this is hardly with any price cuts. Sony is the centre piece when it come to triple A gaming for all first party, second and third party games and I don't see that changing next gen either.
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Artistic
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Houston, TX.
bitbydeath
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Nintendo is their competition.
This is why they're now making moves like, creating a handheld, releasing cheaper hardware, and stopping ports to PC.
Competition is good when it's a good competitor. You can expect AA games to make a big come back too.
This is why they're now making moves like, creating a handheld, releasing cheaper hardware, and stopping ports to PC.
Competition is good when it's a good competitor. You can expect AA games to make a big come back too.
RetroGamingUK
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Manchester, England
I think from America you don't see how big PlayStation brand is globally, especially here in Europe.
PlayStation here is gaming, Xbox was just something from the late 00s we used to play the latest FIFA games on the cheap
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semiconscious
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agreed. it'll be hard for sony to come up with a weaker first-party line-up than they managed to produce this gen...
TheGodfather07
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You don't say? That's not really a difficult outcome to forsee right now is it? It's pretty much guaranteed that PS6 will do very well. People called PS3 a disaster but even that managed to sell almost 90m. I'm not sure what kind of shit Sony could pull to actually cause the PS6 to flop.
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Danny22
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Everybody's expecting a higher price and lesser sales for the PS6 (me too).
Unless China starts getting into them and they blast off to PS2 level.
We know, by looking at Germany's data, that once people are rich enough and have a developed country, they start shifting from PC to consoles.
Though China's complicated because most games are allowed on normal Steam and not neccessarily on PS (which acts more like Steam China) unless its imported.
But yeah, normal trajectory is Xbox dead, Nintendo at 120 million and Sony about 90 million sales at the end of the PS6 gen. Steam still growing as India and Africa expands.
Now remind me to never click on another one of these fanboy forum posts again.
Unless China starts getting into them and they blast off to PS2 level.
We know, by looking at Germany's data, that once people are rich enough and have a developed country, they start shifting from PC to consoles.
Though China's complicated because most games are allowed on normal Steam and not neccessarily on PS (which acts more like Steam China) unless its imported.
But yeah, normal trajectory is Xbox dead, Nintendo at 120 million and Sony about 90 million sales at the end of the PS6 gen. Steam still growing as India and Africa expands.
Now remind me to never click on another one of these fanboy forum posts again.
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Ellis
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Worse they've done previously was the first few years of PS3. They ended up firing on all cylinders for the second half of the generation and outselling 360 worldwide.
The thing with Sony is. When they have a hickup, they fix it and bounce back. MS has a fuck up with Xbox just keeps digging an even deeper grave until they're no longer in the arena.
I see the opposite if pc hardware keeps getting expensive now that xbox is out of the paint.
nial
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They were already outselling the Xbox 360 worldwide in 2007.
When will you be posting some scans from the Smyths Christmas catalogue?Manchester, England
I think from America you don't see how big PlayStation brand is globally, especially here in Europe.
PlayStation here is gaming, Xbox was just something from the late 00s we used to play the latest FIFA games on the cheap
RetroGamingUK
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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Most gamers don't buy more than 3 games a YEAR, meaning the potential savings by buying PC keys is not super important to them. What they value a lot on the other hand is a) convenience and b) being able to play "everything" (= what your typical normie knows exists). That's why Sony and Nintendo have the high ground right from the start. Nintendo doesn't compete with Sony in the unoptimized-UE5-stutterfest-AAAA-space, so they got this pretty much locked.
Horseganador
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They will come from two machines like PS4 and PS5 that will have sold more than 100 million, with many users having their libraries there and on top of that without competition in their segment, they could not be in a better position to succeed in another generation.
Bonfires Down
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Nintendo is their primary competition now. Which is kind of funny since they will be two gens apart in performance.
Truthtellers
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Correct.
yurinka
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I think PS6 will be released at the price they released PS5 Pro due to inflation, increase of component prices, etc. People will buy it as usual.
I think Steam Machine will be around that price or more expensive, but will be have instead the performance of around a base PS5 (not PS6). So as happened with the previous Steam Machines or Steamdeck, its sales are going to be marginal and irrelevant compared to proper consoles.
I think whatever consolized PC labeled as Xbox, manufactured by somebody like Asus or MSI, will be way more expensive than PS6 and Steam Machine, and will sell less than half of what Xbox Series sold.
In the home console/destop AAA games platform area the direct competition of PS5/PS6 will continue being Xbox until Xbox it completely dies. And after that, once they release their PC PSN store & launcher, then the direct competition of PSN will be Steam.
Regarding Nintendo, Sony's portable will be their primary competition when released. Not PS5 or PS6.
I think Steam Machine will be around that price or more expensive, but will be have instead the performance of around a base PS5 (not PS6). So as happened with the previous Steam Machines or Steamdeck, its sales are going to be marginal and irrelevant compared to proper consoles.
I think whatever consolized PC labeled as Xbox, manufactured by somebody like Asus or MSI, will be way more expensive than PS6 and Steam Machine, and will sell less than half of what Xbox Series sold.
No.
In the home console/destop AAA games platform area the direct competition of PS5/PS6 will continue being Xbox until Xbox it completely dies. And after that, once they release their PC PSN store & launcher, then the direct competition of PSN will be Steam.
Regarding Nintendo, Sony's portable will be their primary competition when released. Not PS5 or PS6.
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Hawk The Slayer
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PC will still be bigger but consoles might catch up next gen because PC seems to be put on hold as things are too expensive.
Console gaming dominated in the early days all the way to the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube days.
PS3/X360 era was when PC starting to dominate and has been dominating gaming till now. But next gen the balance will once again turn and be like the PS3/360 era with PC still being bigger but it'll be closer.
PS6 needs to showcase a bunch of awesome launch titles like a new Ratchet and Clank, GTA VI in all it's glory, FFXVII, Stellar Blade 2, Spiderman 3, Infamous 4, new Twisted Metal, Metal Gear Solid 6. And even the full potential of some non exclusives like Resident Evil X, Resident Evil 1 Re-Remake.
Console gaming dominated in the early days all the way to the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube days.
PS3/X360 era was when PC starting to dominate and has been dominating gaming till now. But next gen the balance will once again turn and be like the PS3/360 era with PC still being bigger but it'll be closer.
PS6 needs to showcase a bunch of awesome launch titles like a new Ratchet and Clank, GTA VI in all it's glory, FFXVII, Stellar Blade 2, Spiderman 3, Infamous 4, new Twisted Metal, Metal Gear Solid 6. And even the full potential of some non exclusives like Resident Evil X, Resident Evil 1 Re-Remake.
Generations as we have known them are over. PS6 will just be another device in the PS family that will all run more or less the same games from PS5 onward. There will be a variety of hardware at different price points and form factors in order to capture the largest possible segment of the gaming pie, similar to iOS family of devices. The games that will require PS6 level hardware and beyond to run will be a microscopic minority.
I think Sony is in a very good position moving forward but they have a few things they need to fix.
1) Continue to focus on publishing unique, lower budget games that appeal to a broader audience. Not everything should be a AAAA, bazillion dollar budget cinematic third person action game. That may have been a differentiating factor in the PS3/PS4 eras but not anymore. Third parties have largely caught up. Maybe make one such showcase game for the console and leave it at that.
2) Get rid of the online paywall. They are already halfway there with the increasing rise of F2P games. Might as well go all the way and not give the upcoming Steam Machines a very easy selling point over them.
3) Most importantly, keep the games exclusive. Software is and always has been the major differentiating factor between platforms. The multiplatform approach, even with delayed ports, is a major strategic blunder. GAAS should be the only stuff even considered for multiplatform publishing but that's it.
If they can do this, I think they will remain competitive, perhaps even dominant.
I think Sony is in a very good position moving forward but they have a few things they need to fix.
1) Continue to focus on publishing unique, lower budget games that appeal to a broader audience. Not everything should be a AAAA, bazillion dollar budget cinematic third person action game. That may have been a differentiating factor in the PS3/PS4 eras but not anymore. Third parties have largely caught up. Maybe make one such showcase game for the console and leave it at that.
2) Get rid of the online paywall. They are already halfway there with the increasing rise of F2P games. Might as well go all the way and not give the upcoming Steam Machines a very easy selling point over them.
3) Most importantly, keep the games exclusive. Software is and always has been the major differentiating factor between platforms. The multiplatform approach, even with delayed ports, is a major strategic blunder. GAAS should be the only stuff even considered for multiplatform publishing but that's it.
If they can do this, I think they will remain competitive, perhaps even dominant.
ProtoByte
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Not even a little.
PS and Nintendo are not on equal footing.
If they expect the Steam Cube to be snow, they should prepare for an avalanche.
LordOcidax
Member
In terms of hardware sales they are on another galaxy compared to Valve…
HRK69
Member
Oh yeah? No one is going to spend millions of dollars to make exclusive games for PC?
What are these?
Dota 2
League of Legends
Valorant
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
World of Warcraft
Rust
Path of Exile
StarCraft II
Warframe
PUBG: Battlegrounds (PC-first focus)
Apex Legends (Originally PC-focused)
Hunt: Showdown
Team Fortress 2
ARK: Survival Evolved (PC-first focus)
And lets not pretend like PlayStation exclusives are the be-all, end-all. Yes, they're great, but whos going to keep shelling out for a console when PC can play everything with mods, higher resolutions, and way better customization?
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Killer8
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Don't really care about sales masturbation. More interested in the games situation. Next-gen has potential to eclipse PS5 in quality.
Sony will be catering to a portable market as well as a console one. Of course these two sides of the same coin will share games with each other, but a portion of Sony's development being squared more towards portable games could mean a resurgence in lower budget / AA level releases. The Switch 2 being its major competition with effectively the same setup (via its hybrid approach), as well as the one-two combo of Steam Machine + Steam Deck, also means that every third-party developer will be on the same page in terms of the kinds of hardware and audiences they are targeting.
Sony have also learned hard lessons this gen. The live service push has been neutered and they cancelled many games. It's a lost generation for studios like Bend and Bluepoint, a waste of money on others like Firewalk and Haven, and a rapidly deprecating asset in Bungie. With all of that shite out of the way (fingers crossed), maybe PS6 will represent a clean start for studios like Bend and Bluepoint, who can actually get to delivering what they're known for.
Visually i'm expecting top level ray tracing if not path tracing. Ray tracing on PS5 was kind of just ticking a box. It was too underpowered to deploy the full ray-tracing feature set in most games. Of course a few studios have done an excellent job with RTGI like in Assassins Creed Shadows, Doom: The Dark Ages and GTA6, but by and large it's been an afterthought this gen. The early preview of FSR4 and ray regeneration has been pretty positive and bodes well for PS6. The technology will only improve between now and then.
Finally, by extension of visuals, we will finally get decent image quality and performance. Unreal Engine 5 is at last in the state it should've shipped in to begin with. CDPR helping Epic get open world games running at 60fps with hardware ray tracing on a PS5 of all things is a good sign. FSR4 solving a lot of the problems with PSSR and even nearing DLSS3 quality reaches a "good enough" threshold for most players I feel. We can finally put those horrible FSR2 days behind us. From a reasonable living room viewing distance, I don't think anyone is going to have a problem with FSR4 image quality on a 4K display. And 4K is the endgame resolution anyway.
Sony will be catering to a portable market as well as a console one. Of course these two sides of the same coin will share games with each other, but a portion of Sony's development being squared more towards portable games could mean a resurgence in lower budget / AA level releases. The Switch 2 being its major competition with effectively the same setup (via its hybrid approach), as well as the one-two combo of Steam Machine + Steam Deck, also means that every third-party developer will be on the same page in terms of the kinds of hardware and audiences they are targeting.
Sony have also learned hard lessons this gen. The live service push has been neutered and they cancelled many games. It's a lost generation for studios like Bend and Bluepoint, a waste of money on others like Firewalk and Haven, and a rapidly deprecating asset in Bungie. With all of that shite out of the way (fingers crossed), maybe PS6 will represent a clean start for studios like Bend and Bluepoint, who can actually get to delivering what they're known for.
Visually i'm expecting top level ray tracing if not path tracing. Ray tracing on PS5 was kind of just ticking a box. It was too underpowered to deploy the full ray-tracing feature set in most games. Of course a few studios have done an excellent job with RTGI like in Assassins Creed Shadows, Doom: The Dark Ages and GTA6, but by and large it's been an afterthought this gen. The early preview of FSR4 and ray regeneration has been pretty positive and bodes well for PS6. The technology will only improve between now and then.
Finally, by extension of visuals, we will finally get decent image quality and performance. Unreal Engine 5 is at last in the state it should've shipped in to begin with. CDPR helping Epic get open world games running at 60fps with hardware ray tracing on a PS5 of all things is a good sign. FSR4 solving a lot of the problems with PSSR and even nearing DLSS3 quality reaches a "good enough" threshold for most players I feel. We can finally put those horrible FSR2 days behind us. From a reasonable living room viewing distance, I don't think anyone is going to have a problem with FSR4 image quality on a 4K display. And 4K is the endgame resolution anyway.
they need to up the in house production..
their output this gen has been bad, simple as. they're fortunate that they're the only viable console to really play 3rd party games on because they've been carrying the load. Returnal, Astro Bot, FF7R have been their standouts. We're about to go a whole gen without a new ND game, SM has only released one cross-gen game all gen. It seems like they've basically been waiting for GTAVI to do the heavy lifting for them.
less focus on visuals and more on games, these 300m budgets aren't sustainable if you want a consistent slate of games and there's too many diminishing returns on chasing the tech.
their output this gen has been bad, simple as. they're fortunate that they're the only viable console to really play 3rd party games on because they've been carrying the load. Returnal, Astro Bot, FF7R have been their standouts. We're about to go a whole gen without a new ND game, SM has only released one cross-gen game all gen. It seems like they've basically been waiting for GTAVI to do the heavy lifting for them.
less focus on visuals and more on games, these 300m budgets aren't sustainable if you want a consistent slate of games and there's too many diminishing returns on chasing the tech.
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MrJangles
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NascentGecko
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The biggest selling points of console gaming has always been has always been price and ease-of-use. Valve's box seems poised to solve both of those problems. Custom builds will be left to enthusiasts (most of whom will eventually be priced out of the market anyways).
As someone else pointed out, the challenge Sony has is convincing people to buy a PS6 at all if it's truly less of an upgrade over previous generations. Their portable has a much better chance of doing well because it's actually different (as long as it can dock and isn't abandoned). The price to play online is becoming harder to justify too with inflation while PC has always been free.
Exclusives don't matter as much any more. The PS5 is selling as well as the PS4 with almost every major Sony franchise on PC. I can't imagine them changing position and leaving that money on the table in the near future.
Cutting edge graphics don't matter as much any more either. They're too expensive for most developers and the best selling games can all run on 10-year-old hardware anyways.
As someone else pointed out, the challenge Sony has is convincing people to buy a PS6 at all if it's truly less of an upgrade over previous generations. Their portable has a much better chance of doing well because it's actually different (as long as it can dock and isn't abandoned). The price to play online is becoming harder to justify too with inflation while PC has always been free.
Exclusives don't matter as much any more. The PS5 is selling as well as the PS4 with almost every major Sony franchise on PC. I can't imagine them changing position and leaving that money on the table in the near future.
Cutting edge graphics don't matter as much any more either. They're too expensive for most developers and the best selling games can all run on 10-year-old hardware anyways.
Rhazer Fusion
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I agree. I've been saying this for years about exclusives. If you want to sell expensive, new hardware and maximize sales you gotta have compelling exclusive software to sell it. If it's everywhere else, then why invest into your console then? Seems like Microsoft does not understand this and that's one of the reasons their console sales plummeted so hard.
Buggy Loop
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How much GaaS?
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Might be controversial, but I honestly think one reason Sony dominates and will continue to dominate is because they have never really had strong direct competition. Their competition seemingly almost always screw up somewhere and Sony typically capitalizes on it.
Now we're hearing that the Steam console might not even be as powerful as a PS5 and will be priced like a PC. Microsoft's next iteration is rumored to be REALLY expensive and aren't they still multiplatform? Nintendo is in their own world and obviously the Switch 2 won't be near as powerful as the PS6 which will probably make ports problematic, so yeah Sony is in a really good position imo unless they really mess things up on their end.
Now we're hearing that the Steam console might not even be as powerful as a PS5 and will be priced like a PC. Microsoft's next iteration is rumored to be REALLY expensive and aren't they still multiplatform? Nintendo is in their own world and obviously the Switch 2 won't be near as powerful as the PS6 which will probably make ports problematic, so yeah Sony is in a really good position imo unless they really mess things up on their end.
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simpatico
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How can the PS6 be cheaper than a Steam Cube and more powerful than a PS5 Pro? What are they feeding these Sony guys? We had way better talking points around Cell and Blu-Ray on PS3. You could at least kinda mock things up in a plausible sounding way. Whatever they're putting in the PS6 is available today, and anything one iota better than a 5 Pro is gonna cost you guys damn near a thousand dollars.
Memati187
Member
Dude, why care about shit like this? Who gives a fuck which piece of crap will have an advantage or not. The problem we as consumer have is, these fucking stupid morons can't release true nextgen titles for their own fucking systems.
As funny as it is how xbox fucked up, sony without competition means WE consumers will suffer. I hate this fucking timeline mate.
As funny as it is how xbox fucked up, sony without competition means WE consumers will suffer. I hate this fucking timeline mate.
LordOcidax
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In this thread they are pretending that Nintendo doesn't exist… Follow the rules please.
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Topher
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Predicting Nintendo doesn't exist? lol...what?
LordOcidax
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*Pretending
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Nintendo sold a ton of new systems already. Convinced people to pay $80 for games. Bamboozled folks with digital key cards.
Easy win for them.
Sony better bring some heat next year. Or else I'll be holding off on a ps6 purchase until year 3 of its life cycle so it actually has some fucking games to play on it. Can use a steam machine and switch 2 until then.
Topher
Identifies as young
*Pretending
Well.....Nintendo doesn't have any direct competition either. Works both ways. Don't worry....you'll be able to beat your chest about warrior stuff when Sony releases their handheld.
Tiago Rodrigues
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PS5 is hitting 100M consoles sold next year. How is sony in a bad position?
LordOcidax
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My PS5 and Series X under my tv are competing for my money and time
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Zacfoldor
Gold Member
It honestly isn't, since it is going to be overpriced. Linus figured it out by reading the room at Valve. 700 bucks. Yep. That's my guess, and at that price it is DOA.
I wanted to love it at 499.99 but at 699.99 it's a con job and no threat to Sony.
Magnus we have yet to see, but Gabecube will flop at $699.99.
Topher
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HRK69
Member
Jez heard nothing. He knows nothing about PS.
nial
Member
I'll do it for them, this was dumb:
Sony doesn't care if a game was internally or externally developed as long as they publish it. Development times are also an issue for the entire AAA industry all across the globe, it is what it is.