Are we headed for a videogame crash?

You're seeing what a crash looks like
No. I am seeing what a correction looks like. There are still plenty of good to great games being released. Because you do not agree does not make it false. You want to focus on the negative (which it seems no game is going to please you) and ignore that there is still growth and still an indie scene that us putting out good games too. Take Clair Obscur for example.
 
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The only thing I see that has a chance of crashing is AAA games not gaming as a whole, it's gotten too big to crash to nothing, with how many players there are there's always going to be a group of people buying a new hit indie game or something
 
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Trails in the Sky, 1st Chapter, which released this year. That's called an outlier, and it's a remake of an ancient Vita game. So don't go thumping your chest.

Seriously one of the only games released in the past 5 years that I would consider a great and memorable experience. The fact that it is a remake does not help.
No chest thumping here, you're entitled to your opinion. Others are dismissive because the opinions being presented as facts when it's clear that very few people agree with you.

It's all well and good being negative, but when you have what is by all accounts extreme opinions about what constitutes a game, let alone a good game, it needs context or it comes across as empty. If the bar is high it's because there are games that raised the bar for you in the first place and sharing that helps people understand your point of view.
 
2021,
Returnal - Crap. Low effort game design - the early days of pushing roguelike slop.
It Takes Two - I mean, whatever, I guess
Deathloop - Yep, it's crap. Its gameplay "loop" left much to be desired. I don't think this resonated with anybody.
Metroid Dread - It was fine. Kind of short, and didn't leave a huge impression. But fine.
Forza Horizon 5 - I mean, car go vroom I guess. But it's also a live service, and so will disappear from history eventually. Sure, it's fun. It's a game. I've got nothing bad to say except to repeat the unfortunate live-service inevitable-death thing. Which for me, means: why buy it?
Halo Infinite - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Everything is wrong with this game. There is nothing right.
Resident Evil Village - No.
Psychonauts 2 - Who gives a shit? No one. No one actually gives a damn about anything Double Fine has ever produced. The sales reflect that. A studio cannot live on vibes alone.


2022,
Elden Ring - This game is a total piece of shit, hyped only by desperate, rabid FromSoft addicts. It's one of the worst games I have ever played in 30 years.
God of War Ragnarök - Bland and insipid AAA shovelware. It's a game, I guess, but not a very good one.
Horizon Forbidden West - I can't knock it. Never tried it. Thought the first game was okay. Seems the consensus is that the first one was better. That's okay. These things happen.
Gran Turismo 7 - It felt unfinished and empty, and curiously unfulfilling. Yes, I still prefer Gran Turismo 3, all these years later.
Xenoblade Chronicles 3 - I do not much care for this style of JRPG, but that doesn't mean I'll write it off. So, for this one, no comment.
Bayonetta 3 - Platinum is overrated.
A Plague Tale Requiem - Uh... not for me. But again, that's not a knock to its quality.
Tunic - Bland and boring.


2023,
The Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom - Stale and derivative. Should have been a DLC.
Baldur's Gate 3 - What else can be said that hasn't been said already? Heavily front-loaded to get investor interest. Solid enough gameplay-wise. A perfectly average experience elevated to godhood because of a general dearth of quality RPG content elsewhere.
Alan Wake 2 - God, no, not this piece of shit.
Marvel's Spider-Man 2 - Great, I guess, if you like comic book stuff. I hear that opinions are actually all over the place with this one. It's not for me, one way or another, so I won't knock it.
Resident Evil 4 Remake - The death of the RE franchise, now in glorious high-definition! Fannntastic.
Super Mario Bros Wonder - Hmm, okay? Whatever. I gave up on Nintendo around '22.
Armored Core VI Fires of Rubicon - Cool! One of my favorite franchises makes a comeback! Finally! And it's a Dark Souls boss rush now. Oh. Great. Wonderful.
Dead Space Remake - I mean, I played this game already. It was good then. I'm sure it's good now. I don't really know what to do with this. You know, remakes really shouldn't even count here.

2024,
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth - Oh, boy.
Helldivers 2 - Friendslop.
Prince of Persia The Lost Crown - Uh? I can't think of anyone who cares. I know I don't!
Dragon's Dogma 2 - By all accounts, this game was a pale retread of the first game, feeling distinctly unfinished, and very polarizing. It's a shame. The first game is one of my favorites.
Tekken 8 - Fuck Tekken. Seriously.
Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth - Fuck Yakuza. Seriously.
Hades II - It certainly is a game. Which is more than can be said for many.
Black Myth Wukong - Like this garbage spectacle-based boss rush, for example.


2025,
Monster Hunter Wilds - This game is panned everywhere. I wouldn't know for sure, because it's not my cup of tea. No comment.
Death Stranding 2 On the Beach - Pfffft hahahahahahahah no.
Kingdom Come Deliverance II - Overrated trash. Vaguely resembles an Elder Scrolls game, and hence everyone is obsessed with it.
Clair Obscur Expedition 33 - Overrated trash. Vaguely--- no, overtly resembles FFX, and hence everyone is obsessed with it.
Metroid Prime 4 Beyond - Embarrassing flop. Talked about for all the wrong reasons.
Hollow Knight Silksong - I've got nothing against it, but at the same time, I've never understood the appeal. I played the first one, thought "ho-hum," and never finished it. However well-drawn it objectively is, I find the visual style repellant and the world deeply uninteresting.
Warhammer 40,000 - I just can't comment on this franchise. Any of it.

So, in summation, not a great few years.

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Oh, nevermind, you just hate games then. I think you need to try a different hobby? 😂
 
No. I am seeing what a correction looks like. There are still plenty of good to great games being released. Because you do not agree does not make it false. You want to focus on the negative (which it seems no game is going to please you) and ignore that there is still growth and still an indie scene that us putting out good games too. Take Claire Obscure for example.
I keep taking that game for an example, and it's a very bad example. It's an example of a mediocre game being elevated to unrealistically high praise because there's nothing else like it right now. Which is the entire core of my argument. This really sucks for the industry. Everyone's addicted to copium.

That's why it's a crash. All future metrics and outlooks are negative. You say I'm only focusing on what is negative, but where's the positive? I don't see it. In fact, all I see are reasons things are set to get worse, like this ridiculous fixation on "Ayy Eye" slop.

It reminds me of the Call of Duty paradigm. Everyone complains about it, and yet everyone buys it. People keep giving money to low-effort games because they've managed to make their gameplay loops simple, repetitive, and addictive.

I wish people would be more negative, stop settling, stop giving money to studios trying to exploit people for their addictive proclivities, and instead start supporting developers who are trying to do something different (and not just stupid-different, either).

Others are dismissive because the opinions being presented as facts when it's clear that very few people agree with you

This is fun to deconstruct.

"Opinions presented as facts." Um, no. It is not my opinion that year-over-year sales are in the toilet and that the industry is in a state of crisis. This is not subjective.

"Very few people (here) agree with you." So what? I don't see this as a popularity contest. There's no actual argument here. Just "this guy, amirite?" This, if anything, just gives me more reasons to be smug.
 
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Wishing for a crash won't make it happen. There might be a contraction over the next few years as the industry tackles personell/development/hardware costs. But there's too much money on the table for there to be a real crash imo.

But still. Even if you might not see any games of value in the AAA space doesn't mean that other enthusiasts feel the same way. Your Doom & Gloom might be anothers Peak Gaming. None of us inhabits the ONE TRUE opinion about what an enjoyable game is.

I get your frustration, but luckily I have the capability to enjoy Indies/AA and unexplored retro catalogues on top of the rare AAA personal banger.

In the end all you can do is vote with your wallet. Don't buy games you're not 100% sure you'll enjoy and do what you can to support the ones that deliver games you like. That way you won't get disappointed. If that ends up meaning you quit gaming, so be it.
 
I think the videogame industry is more profitable than ever, and more people are playing now that ever across many different platforms. There are many different entry points.

There is some slop being made at all levels, indie early access and AAA.
 
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In all seriousness, it does deserve to crash but it will not. Studios will crash and burn, people will lose their livelihood, but gaming has become too big to fail. Parts will thrive, others will burn.

Gamers are a selfish bunch, and we find a way to get what we want without caring about the rest of the hobby. In the end, everyone gets exactly what they deserve.
 
Nah... The video game industry is now stronger than the music and film industries.

People used to make fun of video games and think they were just a fad, but now look at how important they are.
 
In the end all you can do is vote with your wallet. Don't buy games you're not 100% sure you'll enjoy and do what you can to support the ones that deliver games you like. That way you won't get disappointed. If that ends up meaning you quit gaming, so be it.

Sure. But I would posit that refusing to buy what gets shoveled in the Current Year is not the same thing as "quitting gaming."

But if I have to summarize, I would summarize it thus: have we really won, if the only thing left is Fortnite, and it's a mega-trillion-dollar machine?
 
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Probably not, a big shift in platforms .. maybes.

Most people don't care as much about graphics as people here. They will play what is fun .. where ever it is.. the cheaper the better.
 
I wish people would be more negative, stop settling, stop giving money to studios trying to exploit people for their addictive proclivities, and instead start supporting developers who are trying to do something different (and not just stupid-different, either).
You are too worried about what games other people are enjoying and think that they are the problem. You bash Clair Obscur and yet it was a game that did not use exploitive tactics and a smaller studio that got support. I get the sense that there will be no pleasing you because you think that only your opinion can be the correct one.
 
You are too worried about what games other people are enjoying and think that they are the problem. You bash Clair Obscur and yet it was a game that did not use exploitive tactics and a smaller studio that got support. I get the sense that there will be no pleasing you because you think that only your opinion can be the correct one.
That just means you got the wrong "sense," and you're not used to people having strong opinions that fall so far outside the mainline.

I have always been a gamer, and always will be, despite how unpopular that term has been made to be. I love games of (nearly) all kinds, and even if a game isn't something I'd personally enjoy, I'm more often than not glad that a game exists to make someone else with different tastes happy.

This isn't "everything I don't like sucks," which is what you're evidently reading it to be. I'm actually disheartened to see blatant corporatism stifling creativity and destroying genre after genre. Right now, the developers which haven't by now been shut down in this whirlwind of studio closures are being pushed into producing very specific types of product - almost all of them some form of live-service multiplayer slop - and everything else is an outlier... however few they are.

Yes, I'm upset that a mid-tier FFX ripoff is GOTY. That speaks volumes as to the creative state of the industry. That sucks. This ain't it, chief.

Everything is low-effort or derivative, or a remake, which usually encompasses both those qualifiers. There is way more to what I'm trying to say than "If it isn't what I like, it sucks." That's a vast oversimplification.
 
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There is a clear reshuffling of the deck that's taking place, particularly in regards to AAA. Likening it to a crash, however, is absurd. Gaming is not the same business it was in the early '80s. Playing games is common among basically anyone under the age of 45 or 50 and the barriers to entry are basically 0 these days. It really can't crash.
 
Sure. But I would posit that refusing to buy what gets shoveled in the Current Year is not the same thing as "quitting gaming."
Bad phrasing on my part. What I meant is that - If none of the above helps and you can't find anything of value in gaming then there's no shame in leaving the hobby behind. It's just videogames and our time on this planet is too short to spend on recreations we don't enjoy.

Don't take it as a "if you complain then you should shut up". I love a good rant as much as the next guy. 😁 But what is there to fight for if you can't find any redeeming qualities anywhere in the gaming space?
 
That just means you got the wrong "sense," and you're not used to people having strong opinions that fall so far outside the mainline.

My apologies, I did not realize I was talking to such a fringe thinker such as yourself. I was just here to give my opinion on the market being headed toward a correction or a crash. I do not think it is headed for a crash. 🤷‍♂️
 
Bad phrasing on my part. What I meant is that - If none of the above helps and you can't find anything of value in gaming then there's no shame in leaving the hobby behind. It's just videogames and our time on this planet is too short to spend on recreations we don't enjoy.

Don't take it as a "if you complain then you should shut up". I love a good rant as much as the next guy. 😁 But what is there to fight for if you can't find any redeeming qualities anywhere in the gaming space?
I will never not enjoy playing games. Thankfully, there are means to continue playing the games that I enjoy... for the time being. It's frustrating and frankly sad that the sorts of games I personally like are in fact no longer being developed, but that's not the problem. There are more games on my backlog than I can feasibly ever play, enjoy, and finish. They don't have to be new to be enjoyable.

However, the current industry would like to make everything an always-online live-service, where you take the choices given, and if you don't like what's on-offer, then too bad. If they could find a way to do it, you'd better believe they'd kill peoples' backlogs to get them on a subscription. It's what Nintendo did, for example.

This is a gaming-centric forum, and a lot of people are - whether they want to admit it or not - hyped for new releases simply because it's their hobby, and they feel they have to be. Everyone's kinda got a Hide-the-Pain-Harold thing going on here, and I get that. Even the rabid, cult-like hostility. I do get that. But the fact of the matter is, not everyone's an enthusiast, and people are starting to close their wallets. Especially in Japan. People are just not buying new games.

That's the thing. That's the rub. I don't need to buy new games. I don't care when sales get announced anymore. A lot of people don't, now, and so I'm not alone. When people stop buying games, studios keep closing. If studios don't get their thumbs out and start making something worth our time and money, that don't just appeal to people who'll buy their shit because of course they will, then they'll wither and scatter to the wind, and all you'll have left is Season 4,342 of Fortnite... and the slopification will be total, complete, and irreversible.

You are losing your hobby and your identity to Hollywood-esque suits and soulless crossovers.

On IGN, there was a cringe-as-hell article saying something along the lines that the "gap is shrinking" thanks to the FF MMORPG having a song from Rage Against the Machine in it. Games are thus becoming more "valid." That's the energy I'm seeing here: gaming is mainstream now, and is therefore winning.

Growing engagement numbers with live-service games is not "winning." The rest of us are just going to play what we have and stop buying, because we feel no obligation to Support the Current Thing. And the numbers show it. The rest of you guys who aren't Epic Games are not going to bask in the rays of Fortnite's success. That's not how it works.

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That just means you got the wrong "sense," and you're not used to people having strong opinions that fall so far outside the mainline.

I have always been a gamer, and always will be, despite how unpopular that term has been made to be. I love games of (nearly) all kinds, and even if a game isn't something I'd personally enjoy, I'm more often than not glad that a game exists to make someone else with different tastes happy.

This isn't "everything I don't like sucks," which is what you're evidently reading it to be. I'm actually disheartened to see blatant corporatism stifling creativity and destroying genre after genre. Right now, the developers which haven't by now been shut down in this whirlwind of studio closures are being pushed into producing very specific types of product - almost all of them some form of live-service multiplayer slop - and everything else is an outlier... however few they are.

Yes, I'm upset that a mid-tier FFX ripoff is GOTY. That speaks volumes as to the creative state of the industry. That sucks. This ain't it, chief.

Everything is low-effort or derivative, or a remake, which usually encompasses both those qualifiers. There is way more to what I'm trying to say than "If it isn't what I like, it sucks." That's a vast oversimplification.
I'd hate to be in your shoes, not a dig just being honest. There's so much gaming to be had it's impossible to even remotely keep up anymore
 
Op, you may have had me a bit at the first post but every subsequent post you make is convincing me of the opposite.

By the time I get off of work today, you will likely have convinced me that we are entering into a new golden age of gaming.

Perhaps you should take up fishing or mountain climbing as a hobby instead.
 
I was chatting with my bestie earlier (ChatGPT) about the 80s videogame crash, and asked it for parallels with the scene today:



Can't help but see similarities. :pie_thinking:

Do you think it's likely we'll see a crash in the future?
What would a modern crash look like? What would be the first signs of one? A big publisher going under? (eg Ubi/Xbox)

With the state of western AAA, maybe a crash is best...
I can't take anything that starts with "I was chatting to ChatGPT", don't be a GPTard
 
Love these weekly video game crash threads.
I've litrelly seen them for 25 years now easily, they just never can handle that gaming is one of the strongest forms of entertainment on the planet.

It's the same as how 25 years ago I was alway told how "tales of" games have no huge audience and that not enough are solid and here we are there the series has put out countless games since.

Game crash people are in the same boat as climate individuals that kick that can down the road, they can't help themselves.
 
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they just never can handle that gaming is one of the strongest forms of entertainment on the planet.
It's true guys, I can't handle it. I struggle sleeping because videogames (a hobby I've been into for 30 years) are so successful!


And what's with people thinking "industry crash" = "no good games"?
 
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It's true guys, I can't handle it. I struggle sleeping because videogames (a hobby I've been into for 30 years) are so successful!


And what's with people thinking "industry crash" = "no good games"?
Been in it for 43 years and have seen it all, and since before the internet on BBS forums, and then on VN boards, IGN... For about 3 decades now this so called crash never comes. All I do is spend more and more money every single year.
 
I'd say a recession, not a crash.

If pricing doesn't get under control then companies are gonna have to recalibrate the type of products they are selling.

We are probably in for a spec pause or an extended generations until the economics of the industry can be stabilized.

Sony can't get away with a $700 PS6 as much as Nintendo can't get away with a $450 Switch 2. Limits have been reached.
 
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I'd say a recession, not a crash.

If pricing doesn't get under control then companies are gonna have to recalibrate the type of products they are selling.

We are probably in for a spec pause or an extended generations until the economics of the industry can be stabilized.

Sony can't get away with a $700 PS6 as much as Nintendo can't get away with a $450 Switch 2. Limits have been reached.
This is especially true when the generational leaps aren't that great anymore.

The leap from PS4 to PS5, wasn't anything like the leap from PS1 to PS2, for example.
 
Been in it for 43 years and have seen it all, and since before the internet on BBS forums, and then on VN boards, IGN... For about 3 decades now this so called crash never comes. All I do is spend more and more money every single year.

What may be different now though are the scale and frequency of huge AAA financial fuckups over the last 2 years. But maybe that's normal, I don't know. That's what the discussion is for.

What would a crash mean for a consumer who's just enjoying games? Would they even notice?

I'm not saying (or haven't said here) this means "games are shit/dying", because that is irrelevant. This is about dev costs, project scope/time, studio sustainability etc, mainly in western AAA.
 
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Trails in the Sky, 1st Chapter, which released this year. That's called an outlier, and it's a remake of an ancient Vita game. So don't go thumping your chest.

Seriously one of the only games released in the past 5 years that I would consider a great and memorable experience. The fact that it is a remake does not help.
You're trolling, right?
Trails is fantastic, but come on.. one of the only few great game in the last 5 years?
That statement doesn't say anything about the state of gaming overall, only that you should consider getting a new hobby.
Gaming doesn't suck just because you're burnt out on it.
 
What may be different now though are the scale and frequency of huge AAA financial fuckups over the last 2 years. But maybe that's normal, I don't know. That's what the discussion is for.

What would a crash mean for a consumer who's just enjoying games? Would they even notice?

I'm not saying (or haven't said) this means "games are shit/dying". This is about dev costs, project scope/time, studio sustainability etc, mainly in western AAA.
I got ya and it's hard to say, but the good thing is imo AA games and all the other games that fit into other categories are doing great so even if AAA studios became less i think there's plenty to fill the void, but I don't think a crash anymore is something that is on the table per say but rather people just speak harder with their wallets these days so these companies that do fuck up don't have as much slack as they once did.
 
I will never not enjoy playing games. Thankfully, there are means to continue playing the games that I enjoy... for the time being. It's frustrating and frankly sad that the sorts of games I personally like are in fact no longer being developed, but that's not the problem. There are more games on my backlog than I can feasibly ever play, enjoy, and finish. They don't have to be new to be enjoyable.

However, the current industry would like to make everything an always-online live-service, where you take the choices given, and if you don't like what's on-offer, then too bad. If they could find a way to do it, you'd better believe they'd kill peoples' backlogs to get them on a subscription. It's what Nintendo did, for example.

This is a gaming-centric forum, and a lot of people are - whether they want to admit it or not - hyped for new releases simply because it's their hobby, and they feel they have to be. Everyone's kinda got a Hide-the-Pain-Harold thing going on here, and I get that. Even the rabid, cult-like hostility. I do get that. But the fact of the matter is, not everyone's an enthusiast, and people are starting to close their wallets. Especially in Japan. People are just not buying new games.

That's the thing. That's the rub. I don't need to buy new games. I don't care when sales get announced anymore. A lot of people don't, now, and so I'm not alone. When people stop buying games, studios keep closing. If studios don't get their thumbs out and start making something worth our time and money, that don't just appeal to people who'll buy their shit because of course they will, then they'll wither and scatter to the wind, and all you'll have left is Season 4,342 of Fortnite... and the slopification will be total, complete, and irreversible.

You are losing your hobby and your identity to Hollywood-esque suits and soulless crossovers.

On IGN, there was a cringe-as-hell article saying something along the lines that the "gap is shrinking" thanks to the FF MMORPG having a song from Rage Against the Machine in it. Games are thus becoming more "valid." That's the energy I'm seeing here: gaming is mainstream now, and is therefore winning.

Growing engagement numbers with live-service games is not "winning." The rest of us are just going to play what we have and stop buying, because we feel no obligation to Support the Current Thing. And the numbers show it. The rest of you guys who aren't Epic Games are not going to bask in the rays of Fortnite's success. That's not how it works.

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Some of these takes are more rational - all you're missing now is not to presume to know peoples reasons for being hyped for new games.

Even if you focus more on the pessimistic side of things then me, I can't say I fully disagree with all of your points. I know that it really sucks if the type of games/genres you enjoy aren't getting made or are being designed with engagement and mtx spending in mind. If I didn't have my backlog, Indies, AA and retro games I might've been banging on the doom drum right next to you. 😅

It is what it is, in the end the market decides what floats and what sinks in spite of our personal feelings.

Either way, happy weekend. 🍻
 
It's true they can't rely so much on big leaps forward in graphics to sell consoles anymore, or on the added value of being the go-to DVD player / Blu Ray player option which was huge for normie adoption.

$500-$700 to play FIFA etc. with very slightly more realistic grass next gen is going to be a tough sell. If they want to bridge that gap they will have to do it with AAA games, but the AAA pipeline is fucked.
 
Plenty of great games every month if you are not a snob.
I don't even think it's snobs. It's people who never discovered their own tastes fully, never played a variety of genres and franchises, and just only want one singular experience repeated to them.

That or the hobby was never for them but at an extremely dialed in one in every thousand games.

Like if you're just someone saying "games back then were way better" you'd play those old titles, you'd find games made by those devs, and you'd find indies inspired by those titles. It's not rocket science.

Some people after meme culture, doom scrolling, social media came into play, are never able to enjoy anything anymore. Likely not just games. Forever miserable and not willing to cure themselves. Going online to just feed the doom scrolling behavior algorithm.
 
No, market and situation are completely different. I do think we are going to see a slowdown due to economic circumstances, RAM/SSD prices rising and generally increasing disinterest amongst Gen Z and Gen Alpha in traditional Console and PC gaming.
Gen Z doesn't have disinterest in PC or console gaming. That's Gen A.
 
Xbox definitely crashed but Sony had their best year ever and Nintendo is doing well with S2. And Steam, we all know. And the indie scene is better than ever. So no, only Xbox
 
I've litrelly seen them for 25 years now easily, they just never can handle that gaming is one of the strongest forms of entertainment on the planet.

It's the same as how 25 years ago I was alway told how "tales of" games have no huge audience and that not enough are solid and here we are there the series has put out countless games since.

Game crash people are in the same boat as climate individuals that kick that can down the road, they can't help themselves.
Same. It's like every week someone discovers the "gaming crash of 1983" (freaking over 40 years ago now) and tries to relate it to the current day.

Or maybe these people just want attention.
 
I love some people here thing if the video game crash it well "reset" everthing like video game......people can be very stupid.
 
It won't crash, but it might slow down a bit. Console generations will extend and get more expensive.

Sales would lag and budgets for games will be trimmed down.
 
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