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[Wildebeest]

You think this is bad? Wait till they come after your energy bill and price you out of being able to turn your appliances on.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I love Steve and his analysis and reviews, but I can't help but feel he is getting wayyyy too much into activist territory and will start to affect his reviews/judgement.

 

[PlayStaytion]

I don't want talentless genZers to control the future of this industry and we must stop spoiling them with your personality matters and your skills aren't needed and all this nonsense cause skills are called skills for a reason.

 

[phant0m]

Also, a likely timeline of the race, written by a broad range of AI experts in the field.

https://ai-2027.com/

at worst 2027 is the speedrun of AGI, at best its delayed ? years from now. But the scenario and power play between USA and China is indeed blatant to see.

Video that took the paper's predictions to a more entertainment form

Thanks, came into post this. humanity was a fun(?) experiment I guess

 

[Wolzard]

Gamer Nexus has become a drama channel that uses fear to gain views. I understand the journalistic model, but it's getting a bit repetitive.
Nvidia is the perfect company to attack, even if the others are following the same model. You won't see a "WTF AMD?" from them.

 

[Sethbacca]

Gamer Nexus has become a drama channel that uses fear to gain views. I understand the journalistic model, but it's getting a bit repetitive.
Nvidia is the perfect company to attack, even if the others are following the same model. You won't see a "WTF AMD?" from them.

He's doing well researched and sourced long format videos and probably one of the only ones consistently calling out the bullshit. Yeah it's drama, but it's also the kind of journalism long absent from the industry.

 

[Sanepar]

It is write on ALL walls they will leave gpu market and New gpus tech only behind geforce now.

I think AMD Will follow them and Pc game will be apu only.

I think we not gonna see new gpus from both Max 5 years and they will discontinue New drivers for local gpus too.

I really believe series 5000 can be the last from NVIDIA for consumers.

 

[Sanepar]

At this rate my 5090 is going to be worth it's weight in gold

It will die soon later. Geforce now Will be the only way.

 

[Venom Snake]

It's frustrating to see how any investment i've ever made purchasing gaming hardware ultimately contributed to a system that deprives me of my privacy and ownership rights, dignity even.

They all decieve us with a power struggle between left and right, when in reality it was always about top and bottom.

Fuck them.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I really thought about buying this and just putting it in storage until my current pc takes a shit.

 

[BattleScar]

AMD could, just once in the last 20 years, stop chasing Nvidia, take the momentum and explore the market that is being left aside.

Why the fuck would AMD chase the gaming market, which has resoundingly rejected all of their offerings since 2010 even when they've been resoundingly better value, when they could make a fuck load more money in enterprise applications? Explore the market with razor thin margins? Why bother when they can sell soap to the bubble blowers.

Its not like gamers ever gave a shit about AMD, so why should they give a shit about gamers?

And more to the point, what makes you think AMD would ever be able to secure the wafer capacity to supply all of client CPU and GPU, as well as datacenter CPU and GPU? The short answer, compared to Apple, Nvidia and so on, is no.

 

[Sethbacca]

Video that took the paper's predictions to a more entertainment form

Actually, now that I've watched all of this it's mildly terrifying.

 

[OverHeat]

All of this will give us reason to play what we have ie equipment and backlogs.

Still on the 4090?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Actually, now that I've watched all of this it's mildly terrifying.

Indeed

Doesn't matter if the dates are very optimistic, even with a 10 year delay due to unknown factors, it's fucked up, and all companies / governments have the foot all the way down on the pedal to make it happen.

AI is not just for studio ghibli filters, it's an arm race… to our most likely doom if you ask me.

It's this arm race that also tells me that what peoples call a bubble will not pop like expectations normally would. This is project Manhattan + moon space race level of national security and probably even more cash injected than either programs even to today's inflations.

 

[Sanepar]

China will save us If NVIDIA abandon game industry:

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/moore-threads-unveils-next-gen-gaming-gpu-with-15x-performance-and-50x-ray-tracing-improvement-ai-gpu-with-claimed-performance-between-hopper-and-blackwell-also-in-the-works

They already have a gpu that beats rtx 4060 and claim this next gpu is 15x faster in gaming.

 

[Bojji]

 

[peish]

I love Steve and his analysis and reviews, but I can't help but feel he is getting wayyyy too much into activist territory and will start to affect his reviews/judgement.

he got a bone to pick against nvidia, early this year, both got into a disagreement with 5060 reviews.

he is petty man, who mobilise his viewers for his sensationalism.

 

[Goalus]

Clown at work.

 

[StereoVsn]

he got a bone to pick against nvidia, early this year, both got into a disagreement with 5060 reviews.

he is petty man, who mobilise his viewers for his sensationalism.

Yes, yes, that poor $5 Trillion MegaCorp that is unjustifiably maligned!

Nvidia was full of shit and got reported on because of it. But sure, it's almost the only actual person on YouTube who is doing journalistic investigations who is at fault.

 

[Wolzard]

Yes, yes, that poor $5 Trillion MegaCorp that is unjustifiably maligned!

Nvidia was full of shit and got reported on because of it. But sure, it's almost the only actual person on YouTube who is doing journalistic investigations who is at fault.

Much of it is indeed defamation. It's as if they expect the company to be a government agency that needs to do things for the benefit of society. The company's function is to make a profit.

I find it bizarre how he portrays Nvidia as evil for focusing on AI, when AMD, for example, does the same. If he's going to call one company corrupt, why not call the others corrupt too?

I understand the journalistic side, but I also understand your desire to profit from the hate, because it pays off.

 

[Gp1]

You think this is bad? Wait till they come after your energy bill and price you out of being able to turn your appliances on.

Go solar. (Until they begin to tax you for inserting energy into the system )

 

[Gaiff]

Much of it is indeed defamation. It's as if they expect the company to be a government agency that needs to do things for the benefit of society. The company's function is to make a profit.

I find it bizarre how he portrays Nvidia as evil for focusing on AI, when AMD, for example, does the same. If he's going to call one company corrupt, why not call the others corrupt too?

I understand the journalistic side, but I also understand your desire to profit from the hate, because it pays off.

Spoken like someone who didn't bother watching even parts of the video, but commented because they felt they had to say something.

He's talking about NVIDIA, OpenAI, Meta, Palantir, the US government, and other major tech corporations that are spearheading the AI boom. AMD is simply not a major player in this, but he does mention them. OpenAI wants to build a data center the size of freakin' Manhattan with the taxpayers' money. People are funding their own demise by voting in office public servants who are all for granting massive tax cuts and government grants to megacorps that will annihilate the environment, want to privatize gaming, price you out of buying hardware, and then charge YOU indefinitely to use the subscription services they priced you out of. They plan on building over 3,000 data centers in the US over the next few years and the impact this will have on energy and the environment will be catastrophic. They will use federal land for this, aka, land that belongs to the government, aka, the American people. Those companies can make a profit without taking people's money, land, and energy to then sell them things they could have bought themselves anyway.

Yet we have a bunch of mouthbreathers sitting here and insulting him, when those pieces are well-researched and critical in understanding where we're headed. You mofos will only bitch when mid-range GPUs are $4000 and you can no longer afford them.

Gamer Nexus has become a drama channel that uses fear to gain views. I understand the journalistic model, but it's getting a bit repetitive.
Nvidia is the perfect company to attack, even if the others are following the same model. You won't see a "WTF AMD?" from them.

Moronic comment.

 

[DenchDeckard]

The cost for entry to play games natively is going to get really expensive. So expensive that only people like ourselves will invest in it.

I just hope the software can sustain a decent quality.

I really want to see this AI bubble pop in spectacular fashion.

 

[Sethbacca]

The cost for entry to play games natively is going to get really expensive. So expensive that only people like ourselves will invest in it.

Even all of us have a limit, and IMO we're closer to it than not. I'm tired of everything in life becoming a fucking subscription service.

 

[manlisten]

Just wait until the first cloud-native game launches. It's coming...

 

[Pimpbaa]

I wonder how long until the only gaming device you buy is the controller cause everything is streamed from the cloud. Only thing I've tried was xcloud and that was shit. Blurry, laggy, no hdr. Fuck that.

 

[ZehDon]

Billions in profits isn't enough. They want trillions in profits. They really, really, really want to crash this industry.

 

[Schnauzer]

And people mocked me for getting a 4090 slightly below retail on launch…

 

[Cyberpunkd]

The interesting part that is omitted: companies know customer loyalty is not worth jack shit, customers do not value companies that do right by them.
Nvidia knows if AI bursts they can go back to selling GPUs back to gamers who will buy them and be happy.

A separate problem is that instead of growing a much stable bottom line (GPUs) Nvidia is deriving vast majority of their market value from a much more volatile investment. And since AI bubble is a question of when not if Jensen knows he will have to take a massive write off in the future but probably give how he structured his package he doesn't care much. It's a clear example of "you don't need to be perfect, just good enough".

 

[Drew1440]

I did my bit and bought an Intel Arc card.

Why the fuck would AMD chase the gaming market, which has resoundingly rejected all of their offerings since 2010 even when they've been resoundingly better value, when they could make a fuck load more money in enterprise applications? Explore the market with razor thin margins? Why bother when they can sell soap to the bubble blowers.

Its not like gamers ever gave a shit about AMD, so why should they give a shit about gamers?

And more to the point, what makes you think AMD would ever be able to secure the wafer capacity to supply all of client CPU and GPU, as well as datacenter CPU and GPU? The short answer, compared to Apple, Nvidia and so on, is no.

Exactly this. You mention an AMD car to them and they think their driver support was still in the 2000s. Radeon's have always been rock solid for the most part. Don't get me started on the 'I want AMD so my Nvidia cards are cheaper crowd'

 

[JimmyRustler]

I wonder how long until the only gaming device you buy is the controller cause everything is streamed from the cloud. Only thing I've tried was xcloud and that was shit. Blurry, laggy, no hdr. Fuck that.

This has been the end goal for more than a decade now and I can fully see it coming to fruition sooner or later. I mean, it happened to movies too.

The only thing that gives me hope is that loads of gamers are a nerdy bunch and will remain so. Like, I can see Minecraft, Roblox and all the other crap going streaming only but SP games? That's gonna be a big hurdle. They'd have to make some of the best games ever to make us even consider the switch to streaming.

 

[winjer]

I love Steve and his analysis and reviews, but I can't help but feel he is getting wayyyy too much into activist territory and will start to affect his reviews/judgement.

With so many companies now taking very strong anti-consumer stances, I'm glad someone is doing proper research and investigations.
Especially at a time when traditional journalists and media outlets are doing a very poor job of reporting these things.

 

[Gamezone]

RIP gaming 1985-2025

PC gaming was also dead in 2010.

 

[Gamezone]

It will die soon later. Geforce now Will be the only way.

Can't wait for it.

I love artifacts, latency, subscription fees, and always online. Geforce Now only offers a fraction of my Steam library, because publishers and developers can ignore it if they want to.

 

[PeteBull]

And people mocked me for getting a 4090 slightly below retail on launch…

Had a buddy upgrade to 4090 from his old trusty 3080 10gigs at msrp and it was smart af in hindsight, u guys got gpu stronger than w/e gonna be in ps6(so holidays 2027 launch if no delays) already in 2022 aka 5 years earlier. And it has fricken 24 gigs of precious vram on board...

 

[sono]

I dont think the ai bubble will burst however more efficient hardware optimised for ai will surely result, probably radical changes in the next few years..

 

[magnumpy]

thank god for AMD, who is at least putting up a fight against Nvidia. well there is Intel also, but they are much farther behind. there is Moore Threads and various other Chinese manufacturers too, but I dunno if they'll ever be available in the west for gaming purposes...

 

[P:axMagellanic]

I did my bit and bought an Intel Arc card.


Exactly this. You mention an AMD car to them and they think their driver support was still in the 2000s. Radeon's have always been rock solid for the most part. Don't get me started on the 'I want AMD so my Nvidia cards are cheaper crowd'

I've owned both brands. Driver support ebbed and flowed between them. Id say AMD has been ahead recently because of the software suite being actually useful.

Both companies are shithouses though that will happily abandon consumers.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Just ordered a prebuilt with a 5080, maybe it will hold me till all this blows over.

It almost definitely will. Developers aren't going to be able to increase graphical fidelity much more if GPU companies pull out of providing consumer products. They'll be limited to whatever the majority of people are using for hardware.

 

[The Cockatrice]

You think this is bad? Wait till they come after your energy bill and price you out of being able to turn your appliances on.

This has already started in Europe.

 

[Bojji]

This has already started in Europe.

For EU energy cost increase comes mostly from war, green energy bullshit and moronic EU laws. In US places near data centers have big price increases (normal people pay for big corpos as always).

 

[xanaum]

So only Sony and Nintendo would stick to a local gaming model going forward? Either way, if China sees that opening, they'd flood the world with hardware using GPUs not tied to AMD or Nvidia, and devs definitely wouldn't ignore that.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

With so many companies no taking very strong anti-consumer stances, I'm glad someone is doing proper research and investigations.
Especially at a time when traditional journalists and media outlets are doing a very poor job of reporting these things.

I fully support whst he is doing 100%.

I dont want him bevcoming another Jason Schrier

 

[MarV0]

So only Sony and Nintendo would stick to a local gaming model going forward? Either way, if China sees that opening, they'd flood the world with hardware using GPUs not tied to AMD or Nvidia, and devs definitely wouldn't ignore that.

and where will Sony and Nintendo get their chips from? Nvidia and AMD could kill the console industry overnight and force every future gamer to the Cloud.

Chinese chips are not even remotely ready to compete not to mention they can only be sold in China.

 

[RookX22]

The masses will go along with the cloud eventually, but some ok timers will develop and use low end hardware and experiences with p2p connections. Where there is will there is a way.

 

[DoomGyver]

Just ordered a prebuilt with a 5080, maybe it will hold me till all this blows over.

Me too. First PC, can't wait! gpu and ps+ prices drove me away.. I would rather put my money towards hardware than a service, even if it will probably cost more.

 

[xanaum]

and where will Sony and Nintendo get their chips from? Nvidia and AMD could kill the console industry overnight and force every future gamer to the Cloud.

Chinese chips are not even remotely ready to compete not to mention they can only be sold in China.

I don't believe they'd kill the console industry. Honestly, it's only relatively recently that the whole console industry has been using AMD and Nvidia hardware. If those companies don't want that segment anymore, consoles would just go back to the old-school way, other partnerships or even in-house manufacturing. If I remember right, the PS2 GPU was made by Sony itself.


Either way, if I'm not mistaken, AMD makes almost 2 billion dollars per quarter just from the PS5 alone. At least them, I don't see walking away from that market, it would be illogical for a ton of commercial and financial reasons.

 

[MarV0]

I don't believe they'd kill the console industry. Honestly, it's only relatively recently that the whole console industry has been using AMD and Nvidia hardware. If those companies don't want that segment anymore, consoles would just go back to the old-school way, other partnerships or even in-house manufacturing. If I remember right, the PS2 GPU was made by Sony itself.


Either way, if I'm not mistaken, AMD makes almost 2 billion dollars per quarter just from the PS5 alone. At least them, I don't see walking away from that market, it would be illogical for a ton of commercial and financial reasons.

When the PS2 was made the tech world was in an entirely different place.

Sony can simply not afford to design its own chip and compete with Apple, Nvidia, Google, AMD and many more for manufacturing capacity. Hell Sony will not be able to afford the memory for the PS6 let alone a whole chip.

AMD made 563m in revenue from gaming last quarter and that includes all APUs and GPUs. I highly doubt AMD made more than 50m in profit from PS5 sales, we're talking about less than peanuts here.

PS6 will eventually release severely delayed but it will not be what people are used to. It will be extremely underpowered with a heavy focus on cloud and machine learning image reconstruction.

 

[Bojji]

When the PS2 was made the tech world was in an entirely different place.

Sony can simply not afford to design its own chip and compete with Apple, Nvidia, Google, AMD and many more for manufacturing capacity. Hell Sony will not be able to afford the memory for the PS6 let alone a whole chip.

AMD made 563m in revenue from gaming last quarter and that includes all APUs and GPUs. I highly doubt AMD made more than 50m in profit from PS5 sales, we're talking about less than peanuts here.

PS6 will eventually release severely delayed but it will not be what people are used to. It will be extremely underpowered with a heavy focus on cloud and machine learning image reconstruction.

Yes. If you want modern tech you are forced to use TSMC and one of (3) memory vendors, there is no way around this. Even apple that has designed their own CPUs is forced to make them in Taiwan.

Tech market is fucked for consumers currently, until this Ai bullshit slows down (I doubt it will stop)...

 

[manlisten]

So only Sony and Nintendo would stick to a local gaming model going forward? Either way, if China sees that opening, they'd flood the world with hardware using GPUs not tied to AMD or Nvidia, and devs definitely wouldn't ignore that.

Sony have already built their own cloud platform. They're just as ready to pivot to the cloud as anyone.