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Regime changes forced by Western governments never seem to go well do they, but Maduro was illegitimate anyway so there's that going for this one I suppose. The thing is, will Trump allow the exiled leader in waiting to be installed in the aftermath? Doubtful - she beat him to the Nobel Peace Prize.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
TDS is real

Not sure how anyone sees this as a bad thing honestly
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If you arrest Maduro and he's replaced by someone else who does 75% of the same things (or worse), then what did you really achieve?

That's the risk of leaving the entire regime in charge with a move as limited in scope as this.

But it allows MAGA to wave the flag for a bit, so I guess that's a "win".

As for Cuba...Castro is long dead yet nobody is arguing that the regime has really changed over there.

DirtInUrEye said:
Regime changes forced by Western governments never seem to go well do they, but Maduro was illegitimate anyway so there's that going for this one I suppose. The thing is, will Trump allow the exiled leader in waiting to be installed in the aftermath? Doubtful - she beat him to the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Unless he's sending in another bunch of guys to actually put her in power, I don't think it's a matter of "allowing" that to happen.

RJMacready73 said:
The orange monkey should give the order to capitate the heads of the Iranian regime get a 2 for 1
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If he sent people in to arrest the ayatollah or the current president of Iran and did absolutely nothing else, we'd be in a similar situation.

Critical Hit said:
You've confused cause and effect. Ground invasion and occupation are required when resistance is expected. The fact that Maduro has been removed does not mean that the regime has been completely destroyed and that it is all over. It is still unclear how things will actually end and whether that Nobel prize winner will be able to hold on to power, if she comes to power, of course.
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That's indeed the key point, but it gets lost pretty quickly in the midst of all the fanfare.
 
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DirtInUrEye said:
Regime changes forced by Western governments never seem to go well do they, but Maduro was illegitimate anyway so there's that going for this one I suppose. The thing is, will Trump allow the exiled leader in waiting to be installed in the aftermath? Doubtful - she beat him to the Nobel Peace Prize.
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It does seem like the people voted him out. This isn't the Barbarians of the middle east, they are not fanatics.

I am waiting for the lock of this thread, seems very politics driven.
 
Madonis said:
If you arrest Maduro and he's replaced by someone else who does 75% of the same things (or worse), then what did you really achieve?

That's the risk of leaving the entire regime in charge with a move as limited in scope as this.

But it allows MAGA to wave the flag for a bit, so I guess that's a "win".

As for Cuba...Castro is long dead yet nobody is arguing that the regime has really changed over there.
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You can play the what if cards all day but there is no denying Maduro was a huge pos
 
ADiTAR said:
It does seem like the people voted him out. This isn't the Barbarians of the middle east, they are not fanatics.

I am waiting for the lock of this thread, seems very politics driven.
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The only Barbarians in the middle east are the israelis who is searching for a country to displace palestinians from their homeland
 
I like these 1 hour "wars" MUCH better than the decades long wars (based on WMDs lies) to getting rid of terrorists.
Not surprised the other side is upset.
TDS is something else...
 
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HeisenbergFX4 said:
You can play the what if cards all day but there is no denying Maduro was a huge pos
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I'm not sorry for Maduro at all. I'm worried about the remaining military thugs, which are many, crushing the Venezuelan opposition by force if it tries to do anything.

Kinda like how Bush allowed Saddam, who had just been defeated and embarrassed during Desert Storm, to stabilize his regime and massacre the Kurds, etc.

The 1991 Iraqi uprisings were ethnic and religious uprisings against Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist regime in Iraq that were mainly led by Shia rebels and Kurds. The uprisings lasted from March to April 1991 after a ceasefire following the end of the Gulf War. The mostly uncoordinated insurgency was fueled by the perception that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had become vulnerable to regime change. This perception of weakness was largely the result of the outcome of the Iran–Iraq War and the Gulf War, both of which occurred within a single decade and devastated the population and economy of Iraq.

Within the first two weeks, most of Iraq's cities and provinces fell to rebel forces. Participants in the uprising were of diverse ethnic, religious and political affiliations, including military mutineers, Shia Islamists, Kurdish nationalists, Kurdish Islamists, and far-left groups. Following initial victories, the revolution was held back from continued success by internal divisions as well as a lack of anticipated American and Iranian support. Saddam's Sunni Arab-dominated Ba'ath Party regime managed to maintain control over the capital of Baghdad and soon largely suppressed the rebels in a brutal campaign conducted by loyalist forces spearheaded by the Iraqi Republican Guard.
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DirtInUrEye said:
After today's events Venezuela now falls firmly within the US sphere of influence.
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Based on the early press reports, Rubio and company seem to be underlining the limited scope of this operation. If that is true, then they're not going in a second time to do something far more complicated.
 
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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Not sure how anyone sees this as a bad thing honestly
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Overthrowing Maduro is good, but how it will all end - who knows. What the taliban is doing in Afghanistan right now can hardly be called good. The former al-qaeda member who replaced Assad is also not a good sign for the future. If the regime is to be changed, then it should be done with a clear plan for maintaining the new course.
And it would be nice if someone from Venezuela could respond what they think about all that.
 
Madonis said:
I'm not sorry for Maduro at all. I'm worried about the remaining military thugs, which are many, crushing the Venezuelan opposition by force if it tries to do anything.
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They'll bend the knee in the face of US might, like Iran did, and as it should be.
 
Bye bitch


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HeisenbergFX4 said:
TDS is real

Not sure how anyone sees this as a bad thing honestly
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I don't think anyone with a normal head on their shoulders sees this as anything other than a win for the US Militarys capabilities, the people of Venezuela and let's face it American corporations, it was an excellent OP all round, they removed another dictator from the world which is no bad thing plus this isnt the middle east where religious extremists rule the roost so hopefully the Venezuelan people get their shit together and install the government they had legitimately elected without too much violence

As for the TDS it's very real, nobody likes the cunt, he's a horrible person and those of us outside of the massive American propaganda machine you guys call the news can see it with open eyes, he's in it purely for enriching himself and his inner circle and his deplorable actions with regards to Ukraine and the EU have cemented him as one of the most corrupt and downright reprehensible cunts on the planet but even a broken clock can be right twice a day and I'm fully behind his policies in regards to immigration and men in women's sports but he is a badly written comic book villain that can be bought for a flashy nugget of cheap gold
 
RJMacready73 said:
I don't think anyone with a normal head on their shoulders sees this as anything other than a win for the US Militarys capabilities, the people of Venezuela and let's face it American corporations, it was an excellent OP all round, they removed another dictator from the world which is no bad thing plus this isnt the middle east where religious extremists rule the roost so hopefully the Venezuelan people get their shit together and install the government they had legitimately elected without too much violence

As for the TDS it's very real, nobody likes the cunt, he's a horrible person and those of us outside of the massive American propaganda machine you guys call the news can see it with open eyes, he's in it purely for enriching himself and his inner circle and his deplorable actions with regards to Ukraine and the EU have cemented him as one of the most corrupt and downright reprehensible cunts on the planet but even a broken clock can be right twice a day and I'm fully behind his policies in regards to immigration and men in women's sports but he is a badly written comic book villain that can be bought for a flashy nugget of cheap gold
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As does every politician, just check their net worth before and after being elected and explain how it jumps by millions on such salaries
 
thefool said:
Ahahahahahah

Fucking bozo
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go lay an egg

Critical Hit said:
You've confused cause and effect. Ground invasion and occupation are required when resistance is expected. The fact that Maduro has been removed does not mean that the regime has been completely destroyed and that it is all over. It is still unclear how things will actually end and whether that Nobel prize winner will be able to hold on to power, if she comes to power, of course.


You forgot about the artillery, which is one of the best actually.


This is not surprising, the most surprising thing here is that Ukrainians are being handed them (and rockets for them) with such difficulty that it is embarrassing.


It has long been localized and improved, your information is outdated.
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The major factor that gave Russia superiority and made NATO weaponry useless is electronics warfare. This was admitted even by Western generals
 
Critical Hit said:
Overthrowing Maduro is good, but how it will all end - who knows. What the taliban is doing in Afghanistan right now can hardly be called good. The former al-qaeda member who replaced Assad is also not a good sign for the future. If the regime is to be changed, then it should be done with a clear plan for maintaining the new course.
And it would be nice if someone from Venezuela could respond what they think about all that.
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The problem is that Maduro was a dictator that led jobs and a lot of stuff to people, in the capitalization of being supported, but a lot of those people are really incompetent, so everything was fucked up. The elections there were outright flawed, with voting count making no sense. It was a house of cards

I can see Venezuela having the same destiny as Estonia when the Soviet Union died. At least five years suffering, but then some stuff will work out - I mean, they have so much oil... A great manager can bring this country up like hell
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
As does every politician, just check their net worth before and after being elected and explain how it jumps by millions on such salaries
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I don't think it's ever been done on such a scale or so blatantly by a sitting president before, we all know why he's so soft on Putin and hard on Zelensky.. $$$
 
DrFigs said:
What a huge waste of resources as usual.
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Quite the opposite. This is one of the most efficient military operations ever.
Imagine if we could have captured Saddam, on the first day of the Gulf war? Or capturing Hitler on the 1st of September in 1939.
 
deriks said:
I can see Venezuela having the same destiny as Estonia when the Soviet Union died. At least five years suffering, but then some stuff will work out - I mean, they have so much oil... A great manager can bring this country up like hell
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If I'm not mistaken, around a dozen mayoral candidates or something similar were killed in Mexico last year. If the drug cartels in Venezuela feel just as relaxed, then things may not be so good after all.
 
fran.fernandez said:
In Chile the Venezuelan are celebrating like crazy. For Venezuela is a new start and hope. They are calling it miracle and act of god !

so is great news for venezuela!
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Seriously, Venezuela is such a mess right now that it's hard to see a better future for them, but I hope from the bottom of my heart they do get their shit together and things get better for them. What happened there is absolutely criminal. The people suffered too much.
 
I like how the US has been bitching about China like there has been a bigger villain than them for the last 80 years..
 
Gonzito said:
Its funny to go to reddit and retardera and see all these leftists lunatics telling Venezuelans how they should feel about this lol
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It's very easy to lecture people suffering under communists regimes, when one has all the amenities and rights that a democratic and capitalistic countries provides.
You can bet that if we were to offer plane tickets to those people at reeee, to go to one of these countries, none of them would want to.
 
They kidnapped a democratically elected international leader while bombing the country for no fucking reason and the CIA propaganda bots on social media still worry about China's "aggression" against Taiwan. Clown world and Dead internet theory combined in one
 
Sonik said:
They kidnapped a democratically elected international leader while bombing the country for no fucking reason and the CIA propaganda bots on social media still worry about China's "aggression" against Taiwan. Clown world and Dead internet theory combined in one
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My renters are Venezuelan and I would like to hear what they have to say. They are legit refugees. I hope their parents still in country are good. Maybe this is why I didn't hear from them yesterday when I asked about rent.


Power vacuum in Venezuela now that must be filled. Maybe install the guy that won that last election. Maybe take some oil.
 
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