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Holy shit, I've never witnessed such quick reactions to my posts ever in this forum, surely this is completely organic


Amish Death Metal said:
Get off BlueCry and get back to this place called reality.
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If you read my post history you'll understand you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Just because I'm not a sheep copy-pasting American propaganda, it doesn't mean I'm another libtard obsessing over Trump. The fact is that war and US aggression has never helped the real people including Americans themselves, it actually only made things worse because of the inflation war brings and immigration waves. This only benefits rich fucks and their corporations
 
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Trump has called into fox. Listening now.

He never got to his safe room. Captured quickly.
 
Rentahamster said:
So much for no new wars
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You think Venezuela can respond?
Season 9 Lol GIF by The Office


Trump already captured the objective.
 
Critical Hit said:
If I'm not mistaken, around a dozen mayoral candidates or something similar were killed in Mexico last year. If the drug cartels in Venezuela feel just as relaxed, then things may not be so good after all.
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Cartels on Venezuela are far from what Mexico can do, man. The problem with Venezuela is very much political, and since the people there doesn't have direction, the States choose to do something

I'm not sure how went the execution of the plan, but arresting him is the end of this plan, and they did, so it's time to move on

A lot of people from Venezuela works for the state, but doesn't have quality of life. They come here to Brazil all the time to have some job and some different life, mostly because even if they have money there, it's not easy to see stuff to buy, like olive oil or a nice coffee. People are not just tired there, but depressed
 
Sonik said:
They kidnapped a democratically elected international leader while bombing the country for no fucking reason and the CIA propaganda bots on social media still worry about China's "aggression" against Taiwan. Clown world and Dead internet theory combined in one
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He was elected but maybe not democraticly.


2024 Venezuelan presidential election


Presidential elections in Venezuela in 2024
Presidential elections were held in Venezuela on 28 July 2024 to choose a president for a six-year term beginning on 10 January 2025. The election was contentious, with international monitors calling it neither free nor fair, citing the incumbent Maduro administration's having controlled most institutions and repressed the political opposition before, during, and after the election. Widely viewed as having won the election, former diplomat Edmundo González fled to asylum in Spain amid repression of dissent and a national and international political crisis that resulted when Venezuelan electoral authorities announced—without presenting any evidence, and despite extensive evidence to the contrary—that Nicolás Maduro had won. Maduro ran for a third consecutive term, while González represented the Unitary Platform, the main opposition political alliance. In June 2023, the Venezuelan government had barred leading candidate María Corina Machado from participating
 
deriks said:
Cartels on Venezuela are far from what Mexico can do, man. The problem with Venezuela is very much political, and since the people there doesn't have direction, the States choose to do something

I'm not sure how went the execution of the plan, but arresting him is the end of this plan, and they did, so it's time to move on

A lot of people from Venezuela works for the state, but doesn't have quality of life. They come here to Brazil all the time to have some job and some different life, mostly because even if they have money there, it's not easy to see stuff to buy, like olive oil or a nice coffee. People are not just tired there, but depressed
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If the new president doesn't sell Venezuelan oil for scraps to the US this war will continue. It has nothing to do with cartels and anyone with half a brain knows that
 
I dont think anyone is all that upset about this. You just hope they have some plan going forward.


Cuba next?
 
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AJUMP23 said:
My renters are Venezuelan and I would like to hear what they have to say. They are legit refugees. I hope their parents still in country are good. Maybe this is why I didn't hear from them yesterday when I asked about rent.


Power vacuum in Venezuela now that must be filled. Maybe install the guy that won that last election. Maybe take some oil.
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I'm sure they will feel extremely happy to see Maduro go.

I'm not so sure they will remain happy as long as his closest associates are all still alive and in power.

winjer said:
Quite the opposite. This is one of the most efficient military operations ever.
Imagine if we could have captured Saddam, on the first day of the Gulf war? Or capturing Hitler on the 1st of September in 1939.
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Leaving the Nazi Party in control, which they had certainly secured by 1939, without Hitler would still be a pretty bad thing.

This reminds me that the Allies also weren't too keen about the internal German plots to remove Hitler during the war either.
 
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Sonik said:
If the new president doesn't sell Venezuelan oil for scraps to the US this war will continue. It has nothing to do with cartels and anyone with half a brain knows that
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Why buy what you can take. Take enough to pay for the operation then give it back.

I think it is more about drugs than oil.


But Chavez was not elected democraticlly he rigged the elections. So does Madura.
 
Sonik said:
If the new president doesn't sell Venezuelan oil for scraps to the US this war will continue. It has nothing to do with cartels and anyone with half a brain knows that
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If Venezuela was actively producing oil it wouldn't be a failed state with decades of hyper-inflation. What has befallen the Venezuelan people is a tragedy.
 
Sonik said:
democratically elected
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There are some doubts.

Wildebeest said:
The US just did something that will give Putin night terrors for the rest of his sad little life.
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Aren't they friends? That's the impression I got during the meeting in Alaska.

deriks said:
A lot of people from Venezuela works for the state, but doesn't have quality of life. They come here to Brazil all the time to have some job and some different life, mostly because even if they have money there, it's not easy to see stuff to buy, like olive oil or a nice coffee. People are not just tired there, but depressed
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Do they hate Maduro, though? A lot of such people often brainwashed by propaganda and could claim that all their problems are the US's fault.
 
Sonik said:
They kidnapped a democratically elected international leader while bombing the country for no fucking reason and the CIA propaganda bots on social media still worry about China's "aggression" against Taiwan. Clown world and Dead internet theory combined in one
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Is this Maduro's secret account posting from jail?

Holy crap, the level of delusion is off the charts. I can safely say that most of south america is celebrating this news. Maduro was pretty much a moustache twirling villain and made his people suffer a lot.

At the end of the day, who cares if Trump is doing it for the oil or whatever else. The reason is not what is important, just that it was done and hopefully better things come out of it.
 
AJUMP23 said:
He was elected but maybe not democraticly.


2024 Venezuelan presidential election


Presidential elections in Venezuela in 2024
Presidential elections were held in Venezuela on 28 July 2024 to choose a president for a six-year term beginning on 10 January 2025. The election was contentious, with international monitors calling it neither free nor fair, citing the incumbent Maduro administration's having controlled most institutions and repressed the political opposition before, during, and after the election. Widely viewed as having won the election, former diplomat Edmundo González fled to asylum in Spain amid repression of dissent and a national and international political crisis that resulted when Venezuelan electoral authorities announced—without presenting any evidence, and despite extensive evidence to the contrary—that Nicolás Maduro had won. Maduro ran for a third consecutive term, while González represented the Unitary Platform, the main opposition political alliance. In June 2023, the Venezuelan government had barred leading candidate María Corina Machado from participating
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There are plenty of international observers that testified they saw no irregularities, the problem is that amongst these NGOs there are plenty that are funded through backchannels by the US State Department and its shady institutions so you can never trust these fuckers

Trump himself doubted the 2020 US elections and if Biden was legitimately elected, does this mean China should have invaded the US to remove him?
 
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Politics aside, the operation to go in and capture the sitting president is wild, especially with them being on high alert for weeks.

This will definitely be studied in terms of tactics. Even normal apprehesion with a few hostiles protecting someone is crazy difficult. This guy probably had tiers of security and fallbacks that were defeated, on top of flying inside a hostile nation against air defenses.
 
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Madonis said:
Leaving the Nazi Party in control, which they had certainly secured by 1939, without Hitler would still be a pretty bad thing.
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Without Hitler, the Nazi party would probably enter an internal war. Any semblance of unity would disappear, making it easier to defeat the Nazis. Be it from the inside, with the Germans that opposed the regime, and by the outside, with the Allies.

Madonis said:
This also reminds me that the Allies also weren't too keen about the internal German plots to remove Hitler during the war either.
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The problem were weak leaders like Daladier and Chamberlain.
If we had someone like Churchill at the time, Hitler would probably have been killed before the occupation of Czechoslovakia.
 
AJUMP23 said:
Why buy what you can take. Take enough to pay for the operation then give it back.

I think it is more about drugs than oil.


But Chavez was not elected democraticlly he rigged the elections. So does Madura.
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Eh, that's a bit simplistic. Chavez actually was pretty popular at first and won several elections, including the first one, quite handily. Even regular Venezuelans will admit this.

You can pull up a list of all the elections he won and also plenty of pictures of massive rallies both in favor and against Chavez. The guy was more popular than Maduro, especially when oil prices were high.

That doesn't mean he didn't buy off supporters with cash, government support and other tricks, but pretending Chavez was never popular would be a mistake. He survived a coup in 2002 after all.

Maduro has to resort to far more rigging because he doesn't have the same resources available yet he's also kept many of Chavez's people around in the military and elsewhere.
 
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Sonik said:
There are plenty of international observers that testified they saw no irregularities, the problem is that amongst these NGOs there are plenty that are funded through backchannels by the US State Department and its shady institutions so you can never trust these fuckers

Trump himself doubted the 2020 US elections and if Biden was legitimately elected, does this mean China should have invaded the US to remove him?
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Well I think we just saw GA admit in 2020 they counted over 300000 illegal votes. Also in 2016 dems said trump chested and asked electors not to vote for trump. I think US elections that do not require voter id are full of fraud.

The idea that we invaded over the election is silly. You said he was democratically elected. I was providing context that they cut out opposition and the opponent fled for asylum. So I would not cal them fair.

The invasion is over drugs and cartels. Not elections. Don't conflate.
 
While the justification for American interventionism can be argued, it's hard to feel bad about this. And indeed, Venezuelans across Latin america are celebrating right now.
Hopefully Venezuela can eventually get a properly elected president and they don't just get some Maduro 2.0 put in charge by the military.

winjer said:
It's very easy to lecture people suffering under communists regimes, when one has all the amenities and rights that a democratic and capitalistic countries provides.
You can bet that if we were to offer plane tickets to those people at reeee, to go to one of these countries, none of them would want to.
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Despite it going against everything they claim to believe in. Discourse in places like Reee regarding these subjects always has a bit of an elitist and racist undertone.
"Oh you dumb little ignorant third world minority, you are too stupid to understand this is bad for you. Let me in all my Bluesky wisdom explain to you a thing or two about Venezuela that someone born and raised in Venezuela like yourself wouldn't be able to understand"
 
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AJUMP23 said:
Well I think we just saw GA admit in 2020 they counted over 300000 illegal votes. Also in 2016 dems said trump chested and asked electors not to vote for trump. I think US elections that do not require voter id are full of fraud.

The idea that we invaded over the election is silly. You said he was democratically elected. I was providing context that they cut out opposition and the opponent fled for asylum. So I would not cal them fair.

The invasion is over drugs and cartels. Not elections. Don't conflate.
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There are plenty of people here who stress that Maduro was a "dictator" as the icing on the cake of the bullshit propaganda to justify kidnapping an international leader. For all intents and purposes he was democratically elected, because if we use the new definition some people use here then many US presidents were dictators too.

If the invasion was over cartels they would have invaded Mexico first, this is nonsense propaganda to justify another war for oil
 
Fbh said:
While the justification for American interventionism can be argued, it's hard to feel bad about this. And indeed, Venezuelans across Latin america are celebrating right now.
Hopefully Venezuela can eventually get a properly elected president and they don't just get some Maduro 2.0 put in charge by the military.
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Problem is you usually need the military to intervene and keep law and order in the interim but the boyos in charge get a taste for that power and then shadowy people come whispering in their ears about the amount of money that can be made signing lucrative contracts with certain corporate interests and before you know it you have Dictatorship 2.0
 
I go to bed with my heating pad on. Wake up and find out we both started and decidedly ended a war in Venezuela. Well then. Didn't have that on my bingo card lol.

Even more ballsy finding out Madura was captured while a Chinese delegation was in the country to meet with him. Cinema.
 
Sonik said:
There are plenty of people here who stress that Maduro was a "dictator" as the icing on the cake of the bullshit propaganda to justify kidnapping an international leader. For all intents and purposes he was democratically elected, because if we use the new definition some people use here then many US presidents were dictators too.

If the invasion was over cartels they would have invaded Mexico first, this is nonsense propaganda to justify another war for oil
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I think you have things mixed up, here's a wee Grok summary

In Venezuela's July 28, 2024, presidential election, incumbent Nicolás Maduro was officially declared the winner by the government-controlled National Electoral Council (CNE) with about 51% of the vote against opposition candidate Edmundo González Urrutia's 44%.

However, this result is widely regarded as fraudulent and representing a significant defeat for Maduro:

Pre-election polls showed González leading by wide margins.
Independent exit polls (e.g., Edison Research) gave González 65-70%.

The opposition collected and published tally sheets from over 80% of polling stations, showing González winning ~67% to Maduro's ~30%.

Analyses by observers like the Carter Center, academics, and media confirmed these tallies as authentic and conclusive.

The CNE provided no detailed evidence, marking a breach of transparency.
International observers, including the US, EU, and many Latin American countries, rejected the results and recognized González as the rightful winner, citing massive fraud.
Maduro did not leave office because:
He controls key institutions — the electoral council, supreme court (which later "validated" his win), military, and security forces.

He responded with repression: widespread arrests (over 2,000), protests suppressed (dozens killed), and threats against opposition leaders.
González fled to exile in Spain amid arrest warrants, while opposition figure María Corina Machado went into hiding.
Maduro was sworn in for a third term on January 10, 2025, extending his authoritarian rule despite global condemnation and ongoing crisis.
 
Gonzito said:
Its funny to go to reddit and retardera and see all these leftists lunatics telling Venezuelans how they should feel about this lol
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Yeah, in any case, on Resetera, they have an exemplary thread on the invasion of Ukraine.
Closed here on Gaf.
 
They didn't remove him because he was unelected, but 'both sides' of US politics openly holding the position that he was unelected was probably a prerequisite for this to happen.
 
calico said:
They didn't remove him because he was unelected, but 'both sides' of US politics openly holding the position that he was unelected was probably a prerequisite for this to happen.
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Nobody thinks he was removed for being unelected, he was removed so the US could get access to the land under Venezuela and stop anyone else getting at it
 
Critical Hit said:
Which US presidents rigged the elections?
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Just from the 21st century, the 2000 Bush election results were highly contentious and still doubted by many liberals and the 2020 election results are doubted by most Republicans
 
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Sonik said:
Just from the 21 century, the 2000 Bush election results were highly contentious and still doubted by many liberals and the 2020 election results doubted by Republicans
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In both cases, the results were double checked and confirmed to be correct.
 
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