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[IntentionalPun]

PC Gamepass is going away and the price will probably be hiked to be similar to the console one.

I think it's more accurate to say that console Gamepass is on the way out in the next couple of years lol

 

[David_Android]

Closed system, closed OS, closed ecosystem with whitelisted stores. If this is a Windows 11 computer just like every other computer, but with a "console-like" UI then it is just a PC like every other PC. If that is the case then, once again, some are going to pretend that xbox branding magically transforms it into something it is not.

We still don't know for sure what it is though. I'm not ready to start doubting what @KeplerL2 and HeisenbergFX4 have said, but there are some discrepancies in what is being described from these various sources. If it truly is a console then it will be locked down and only apps/stores Microsoft allows will be running on the device.

we can have that already. thats exactly it.





thats what im saying. how can people say this is a console? this is excatly that what is shown in that video(couldnt find anything better fast).

 

[asdasdasdbb]

I think it's more accurate to say that console Gamepass is on the way out in the next couple of years lol

Lets just call it a... merger... instead.

 

[David_Android]

Oh boy. Also....on Sunday? No one will care

engagement is good as you can see in here.

 

[David_Android]

Lets just call it a... merger... instead.

that its exactly that xbox and pc will merge. Gamepass will be gone it will jus be gamepass not xbox game pass and not pc gamepass just one gamepass with many tiers.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

engagement is good as you can see in here.

I don't think Jez is writing to change the narrative on GAF

 

[nial]

Gestridens the GOAT

The fact that he knew all of that 2 years ago, and close to 4 years before things start to roll out, should give people an idea of how advanced development planning usually is.
How was that possible, though? Guy must be family of some top Microsoft executive.

 

[David_Android]

I don't think Jez is writing to change the narrative on GAF

it logically applies elsewhere too. i mean you know that.

 

[Sephimoth]

I refuse to read MS propaganda. They ded

 

[Simpdimples]

is the exclusive info in the room with us right now?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

it logically applies elsewhere too. i mean you know that.

I mean, I don't even know if there are Xbox centric podcast anymore. Yeah, those places will report this in the upcoming week... Unless somehting else happens this "news" will be another fart in the wind

 

[PauloRoberto]

SO after 25 yeqrs... EVEN THE FU**ING HARDWARE entered the 'wait till next year'... a xbox zealot is a complete idiot

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

It's interesting that they're doubling down on Magnus being a PC, though, as KeplerL2 and others have been leaning into it being, still, an actual console.
People said that they were probably confused between the next gen Xbox console and Xbox PC, but now they have acknowledged the existence of these different OEM models, so...

Microsoft themselves are sloppy and vague AF about all of this, but I figure they will market it as a console with PC-like open-ended features & functionality. It's not a traditional console at all (nor does it have the business model of one, not anymore), but will be designed to look and feel like one in terms of the couch experience and fitting in a typical living room AV setup.

Of course now their biggest problem here is that it's using Windows 11 and modeling itself after the Xbox ROG Ally experience, both of which are absolute garbage. Not to mention it'll be bogged down with tons of Copilot nonsense. The only chance of any of that side improving is if the AI investments crash spectacularly, and MS are forced to get Windows back on track while hundreds of billions in market valuation is continuously shed off due to the bubble collapsing.

At least they can take comfort in the fact they won't be alone. Nvidia in particular could do with a severe market humbling if this AI stuff finally pops soon.

Warranty, support, purchasing with MS/Xbox rewards etc. cheaper prices than the OEM built higher spec versions.

A lot of assumptions on your part.

Honestly, I think this is Microsoft's smartest venture in years. Instead of chasing traditional console hardware numbers, they're focusing on Magnus — a move that plays directly into their core strengths in the PC space. With their control over Windows and deep OS-level optimization, they're planting a long-term seed in the market where they have the most leverage.

If Microsoft had explored this direction back in the late Xbox 360 era, they could have built a massive alternative storefront that genuinely challenged Valve's dominance. An ecosystem parallel to — and competitive with — the Steam marketplace could have existed today.

Magnus won't threaten Steam immediately, but ten years from now it could develop into a serious force. Ignoring that possibility would be shortsighted. Smart companies pay attention to every move in the market — because the smallest seed today can become the biggest competitor tomorrow.

You're giving Microsoft too much credit. They have never risen to the top of a market unless by use of strongly anticompetitive practices and had they not been challenged by the government in the late '90s over things they were doing to cockblock Windows '95-era software developers (withholding API tools and giving 3P worst-running code as just two examples), then yeah we'd probably have a market today where MS had the biggest PC storefront for gaming, but it would not have been earned whatsoever.

They'd of just starved companies like Valve out through EEE and delaying providence of competitive API packages to them to give their own in-house products the advantage, and that would still not have stopped the declines in Windows as an OS we have seen over the past decade. Also I highly doubt Magnus will have any impact on Valve's hardware plans or stopping the shift in certain segment from turning towards Windows alternatives (whether exclusively or as alternative OSes for specific uses), and it's odd claiming what MS are doing with Magnus as reacting to a "small seed".

Like Steam, GOG, EGS etc. have been around for 1-2 decades, and console-exclusive/console-centric devs were already shifting to support platforms like Steam more heavily by the middle of last generation. MS typically don't push into a new segment until it's already clearly established and just rely on their capital to try outspending who's already there (or acquire them). It's been that way since the early '90s.

 

[peish]

I don't see anything new here that we don't know.

Only thing new i learned here, is Lisa Su has her own black leather jacket. Following her cousin image for success

 

[David_Android]

I mean, I don't even know if there are Xbox centric podcast anymore. Yeah, those places will report this in the upcoming week... Unless somehting else happens this "news" will be another fart in the wind

Which is ironic since this fart pays his beans so he can fart too.

 

[IntentionalPun]

we can have that already. thats exactly it.





thats what im saying. how can people say this is a console? this is excatly that what is shown in that video(couldnt find anything better fast).

I'm on the side of not calling it a console but there's still some grey area with the "it can also play Xbox games" and how that is implemented.

I think from their comments it's only for Xbox Series games (which includes XBox One BC of course), and that no matter how it's implemented it's not going to equate to a next-gen-console. A next-gen only game would only be installable if it was on PC.

And I also believe pretty strongly the plan is to launch Xbox games via Windows and they would not actually expose the underlying XBox OS. But I'm still not entirely sure how they'd pull that off.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Which is ironic since this fart pays his beans so he can fart too.

Phil and Sarah are the ones paying for his beans

 

[IntentionalPun]

Actually now that I think about it they already have a version of the Xbox OS that doesn't expose the full underlying XBox experience. It runs on their cloud servers. So they could utilize/modify that to launch XBox games that currently run on the Xbox Series in some sort of "mode" that isn't fully exposing the old (well, the current) Xbox experience.

The UI will run in Windows, and any game that doesn't launch on Xbox Series would only be playable in Windows.

Just my guess.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

because it is a pc fulls top. you can download epic steam what you want. would probbaly can even run normal windows on it somehow. just like the steam machine. there wont be a devkit for it thats why because it is a pc.

There will be devkits, the leaked slides even give a rough timeframe when those will come out

 

[DirtyBast8rd]

Next gen arriving soon:

 

[uncreativename]

There will be devkits, the leaked slides even give a rough timeframe when those will come out

Have they explained why there'll be devkits? Seems unnecessary.

 

[Ramiro_Rodriguez]

if the Series X counts as a console

The XSX identify itself as a shame, but i get your point.

 

[David_Android]

I'm on the side of not calling it a console but there's still some grey area with the "it can also play Xbox games" and how that is implemented.

guess what a Ps5 can play xbox games too. And every other device if developers want too. when was the last game on xbox that was not on Pc ? i dont even remember and thats telling. And im not sure that sony will keep their Games on Pc strategy if xbox is trying to get to say hej our hybrid wannabe console can play all games even sony ones......i mean how often did they shoot in their own foot.

or it will be a symbiotic cooperation so both of em will make money since PS will dominate the real console market anyways, which they already do.
Damn sony games could be expensive in a few years without competition or keeping the price since all ex xbox players will buy them too on their xbox pc on steam. or even a Ps Store in future. Thats what Ms wants ultimately. they want all games on their devices somehow low risk constant profit. they lost the console game and now thats what they wanna do.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Yeah Jez, it's over, we know....

All of you are PCMR now, and Nintendo fans of course....

From "Xbox Series S is a genius idea" to "PCMR or bust" in 4 years

You can't make this shit up

 

[sephirot_buns]

Do yall think the casual audience will care to do the research if this is a hybrid PC? They will look at the xbox name and assume they sellling you a 1k+ console. Easiest slam dunk for Sony, shit even bigger than the xbox one fuck up.

Eat the costs and put that bitch up in late 2027, I dont think you gain much by waiting one year more with the PS6

 

[David_Android]

Phil and Sarah are the ones paying for his beans

probably chewing it for him and spitting it into his mouth too. like a birds do to their babies.

 

[IntentionalPun]

guess what a Ps5 can play xbox games too. And every other device if developers want too. when was the last game on xbox that was not on Pc ? i dont even remember and thats telling. And im not sure that sony will keep their Games on Pc strategy if xbox is trying to get to say hej our hybrid wannabe console can play all games even sony ones......i mean how often did they shoot in their own foot.

or it will be a symbiotic cooperation so both of em will make money since PS will dominate the real console market anyways, which they already do.
Damn sony games could be expensive in a few years without competition or keeping the price since all ex xbox players will buy them too on their xbox pc on steam. or even a Ps Store in future. Thats what Ms wants ultimately. they want all games on their devices somehow low risk constant profit. they lost the console game and now thats what they wanna do.

Obviously I'm referring to being able to play games compiled for Xbox and not the brand.

 

[Parazels]

Windows based device can't be good by default.
Hard pass!

 

[David_Android]

There will be devkits, the leaked slides even give a rough timeframe when those will come out

believe it when i see it. traditional ones or just speced pcs like the xbox/pc will be.

cant wait to install windows 11/12 on it and Torrent Porn to prove a point. its not a console.

 

[Fess]

Honestly, I think this is Microsoft's smartest venture in years. Instead of chasing traditional console hardware numbers, they're focusing on Magnus — a move that plays directly into their core strengths in the PC space. With their control over Windows and deep OS-level optimization, they're planting a long-term seed in the market where they have the most leverage.

If Microsoft had explored this direction back in the late Xbox 360 era, they could have built a massive alternative storefront that genuinely challenged Valve's dominance. An ecosystem parallel to — and competitive with — the Steam marketplace could have existed today.

It's definitely great for users, one place for everything.
But is it great for Microsoft?
With no popular PC store and no Magnus exclusives pulling people in, how will they get the money?

There is the device, Gamepass subscriptions, old Xbox games on the store for BC, and controllers. What else?

 

[David_Android]

Windows based device can't be good by default.
Hard pass!

Well we have more options than ever. or mabye not? since all is moving to streaming at one point btu thats far far into the future.

 

[MisterXDTV]

It's definitely great for users, one place for everything.
But is it great for Microsoft?
With no popular PC store and no Magnus exclusives pulling people in, how will they get the money?

There is the device, Gamepass subscriptions, old Xbox games on the store for BC, and controllers. What else?

The 70% they get when they actually sell their games on Steam and PS Store....

LOL

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Have they explained why there'll be devkits? Seems unnecessary.

No idea just going by the leaked slides that devkits will go out

I just know I heard very key people refer to Xbox PC and Xbox console as separate entities

 

[Topher]

I'm not even of the mind that Magnus IS a console I just think that his argument as to why it's not a console is retarded due to his very own definition of a device that is 100% a console.

XSX is definitely a console. Not going to argue otherwise there. Just have to wait and get the full details from MS and then we will know who was right about this thing.

 

[David_Android]

Gamepass has no future at 29.99 euros tho.

 

[Fess]

The 70% they get when they actually sell their games on Steam and PS Store....

LOL

They already get that. Where do they get the money to keep this thing afloat?

Grim reaper Amy Woods isn't going to be okay with a business venture that doesn't pull in any money.

I think for all this to work, economically, they need Gamepass to grow rapidly.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Actually now that I think about it they already have a version of the Xbox OS that doesn't expose the full underlying XBox experience. It runs on their cloud servers. So they could utilize/modify that to launch XBox games that currently run on the Xbox Series in some sort of "mode" that isn't fully exposing the old (well, the current) Xbox experience.

The UI will run in Windows, and any game that doesn't launch on Xbox Series would only be playable in Windows.

Just my guess.

That's different enough from a dual-boot option for sure, easier to implement (both in terms of costs and complexity, if you wanted to keep the Xbox OS side secure and not risk exposing any of it to the Windows side), and in theory makes for a more seamless experience that's cheaper to implement (since the underlying OS is still on the Win32 kernel).

They'd definitely have to sandbox such a thing, though. Somehow...

Do yall think the casual audience will care to do the research if this is a hybrid PC? They will look at the xbox name and assume they sellling you a 1k+ console. Easiest slam dunk for Sony, shit even bigger than the xbox one fuck up.

Eat the costs and put that bitch up in late 2027, I dont think you gain much by waiting one year more with the PS6

Part of the reason I was thinking they'd need to rebrand the thing altogether.

Well, that and "Xbox" as a brand for gaming hardware (that isn't a controller or fridge) is just very toxic these days.

 

[SHAKEZ]

Very ambitious, until they tire of it 2 weeks later.

 

[MisterXDTV]

They already get that. Where do they get the money to keep this thing afloat?

Grim reaper Amy Woods isn't going to be okay with a business venture that doesn't pull in any money.

I think for all this to work, economically, they need Gamepass to grow rapidly.

They are not getting any other money

This is just a plot to hide the fact they are leaving the hardware console business

But people with a normal, working brain will just laugh at them

 

[David_Android]

XSX is definitely a console. Not going to argue otherwise there. Just have to wait and get the full details from MS and then we will know who was right about this thing.

The line definetly got blurred in this generation with crossplay, where console players have to deal with pc cheaters. its still an x86 device at the end of the day since the ps4 era which brought them more to pc like than consoles but still a console.

Magnus wil break that wall completely. Maybe with some obstacles by Ms but that will get worked out. If magnus is a console the steam machine is too, which it isnt. so im done now with this topic. as im personally not even interested in that thing at all. if i want a Pc, i have one, if i want a console i have that too even the SX. In future it will be Only the Ps6 and Pc. maybe we need a new coining of the term console in the future

 

[PropellerEar]

DAYNONE

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

The line definetly got blurred in this generation with crossplay, where console players have to deal with pc cheaters. its still an x86 device at the end of the day since the ps4 era which brought them more to pc like than consoles but still a console.

Magnus wil break that wall completely. Maybe with some obstacles by Ms but that will get worked out. If magnus is a console the steam machine is too, which it isnt. so im done now with this topic. as im personally not even interested in that thing at all. if i want a Pc, i have one, if i want a console i have that too even the SX. In future it will be Only the Ps6 and Pc. maybe we need a new coining of the term console in the future

For not being interested you sure are putting in a lot of effort in this thread.

 

[BennyBlanco]

My only interest in this is

1. Does this mean I will be able to buy Ninja Gaiden Black and Lost Odyssey on PC
2. Assuming I will have to use MS store for this, can it not be the flaming pile of dog shit that it currently is

 

[David_Android]

For not being interested you sure are putting in a lot of effort in this thread.

Im sick and laying at home i haver time and its a nice distraction, why so defensive?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Im sick and laying at home i haver time and its a nice distraction, why so defensive?

Not remotely defensive, just correcting what was incorrect

 

[David_Android]

Not remotely defensive, just correcting what was incorrect

seems pretty passive aggressive to me but no biggie. you know its a pc.

 

[Faltherion]

Ok so basically a PC, nothing new

 

[UltimaKilo]

2028

 

[Karim]

Xbox Next Gen capable of running full Windows 11, by default will have a console like interface
Microsoft surprised by AMD CEO's comments of supporting Xbox launch in 2027, still polishing on Windows 11 console interface. 2027 launch is "best case scenario."
OEM consoles by manufacturers like ASUS. First Party Xbox serves as baseline, could see more higher end premium consoles from OEMs as well as cheaper slimmed down versions from a variety of companies
Xbox first party handheld in development

It's all for you.

 

[J Required]

It's definitely great for users, one place for everything.
But is it great for Microsoft?
With no popular PC store and no Magnus exclusives pulling people in, how will they get the money?

There is the device, Gamepass subscriptions, old Xbox games on the store for BC, and controllers. What else?

My point is that Magnus can serve as Microsoft's first real step toward pulling their Xbox userbase into their own storefront — giving them an instant base of at least 10 million users. From there, they could gradually expand that audience and use their deep PC and Windows integration to directly counter both the Steam ecosystem and the Epic Games Store.

Microsoft isn't just launching hardware; they're positioning themselves to reshape the PC market in a way only they can. With control over Windows, OS-level optimization advantages, and a huge pre-existing ecosystem, Magnus could become the foundation for a long-term storefront strategy that yields major returns.

And honestly, I wouldn't put it past them to use some very "creative" or cunning practices to undermine the competition — something far easier for them when they control the entire Windows operating system layer.

This won't disrupt the market overnight, but over a decade, it could evolve into a serious challenge to today's dominant platforms. Ignoring this would be a mistake.