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[Lukaku's First Touch]

A good example of why the US needs their EU allies. They need their bases here to stage for their wars.

 

[Vlodril]

A good example of why the US needs their EU allies. They need their bases here to stage for their wars.

I think that is often overlooked how much USA's projection of power in the area is based on the EU hosting their bases everywhere.

 

[0neAnd0nly]

Guy campaigns on no war, guy starts finishes wars anyway.

Seriously though, all joking aside - what is he suppose to do here? Much Like Biden with Russia - Ukraine, it just got dumped on him.

Regardless of political parties / differences, you have to do with what you are dealt and the US is being actively threatened. He doesn't have much choice here.

 

[Rentahamster]

Regardless of political parties / differences, you have to do with what you are dealt and the US is being actively threatened. He doesn't have much choice here.

Regardless of political parties/differences, my reading of recent history sees that for the most part the threats are overhyped and unjustified and fueled by a military industrial complex and media industrial complex that ends up with them getting richer, us getting poorer, and more people ending up dead or suffering from PTSD. These actions span across multiple administrations of both parties.

 

[Gp1]

The United States Air Force has 21 operational E-3s as of June 2024

 

[calico]

Europeans even agree that Europe should start becoming more independent and powerful in this regard none of that was actually controversial.

You mean they agree now that a) the threat posed by Russia -which President Trump was very publicly warning Europe about during his first term- has become too real to ignore, and b) it's been made clear that freeloading is no longer an option. There was absolutely no indication of Europe becoming serious about this until it was given no choice.

Without US involvement in Ukraine, Russia would have rolled over it in about two weeks. Without US providing the deterrent effect in NATO, Russia could probably have driven to the border of France in another couple of weeks.

The US administration is absolutely correct about the cultural suicide well underway in Europe -overseen by the EU- and is correct in trying to alter the trajectory now before it reaches a point where the US has to consider intervening with force to prevent the nuclear arsenals of France and the UK coming under non-Western control. Much better to address that problem now than to wait until they become the next Iranian regime except with nuclear weapons.

 

[0neAnd0nly]

Regardless of political parties/differences, my reading of recent history sees that for the most part the threats are overhyped and unjustified and fueled by a military industrial complex and media industrial complex that ends up with them getting richer, us getting poorer, and more people ending up dead or suffering from PTSD. These actions span across multiple administrations of both parties.

Unfortunately the difference is that here, you are dealing with a country building / attempting to build nukes. Which is sort of how this all began. Adding a side of slaughtering innocent humans doesn't help, either.

It isn't as cut and dry as your comparisons, respectfully.

 

[rorepmE]

Is USA at any real risk of being attacked?

Absolutely, currently 3 nations have the proven ability to strike the US mainland directly. It use to be just 1.

Do you know why they don't? Because it would be catastrophic for them to do so precisely because we didn't dump more money into a gender studies, learing center and for old people to live longer.

From north Korea? But it doesn't affect life's of Americans living in United States.

Well how are you going to do anything without chips from South Korea, Taiwan and Japan? The world is interconnected more than ever. We did that because the theory was rational countries would think twice about war if we all shared an interconnected economy with trade.

Autarky self-sufficiency is a pipe dream.

USA has amazing defensive position, between two oceans and with only Kanada and Mexico bordering it. While real enemies are thousands of kilometers away.

This isn't the pre-industrial world of landmass and population being the driver of economic expansion and ICBMs can hit anywhere.

 

[Rentahamster]

Unfortunately the difference is that here, you are dealing with a country building / attempting to build nukes. Which is sort of how this all began. Adding a side of slaughtering innocent humans doesn't help, either.

It isn't as cut and dry as your comparisons, respectfully.

Yeah I've heard this before.

 

[0neAnd0nly]

Yeah I've heard this before.

You can choose to believe what you want.

But making an error of underrating a threat here can be catastrophic to the free world. Especially the country they chant death to.

Thankful that you or I are NOT in the position to have to make these choices. It can't be easy. I don't envy any of them, either party or situation. Not fun.

 

[Rentahamster]

You can choose to believe what you want.

But making an error of underrating a threat here can be catastrophic to the free world. Especially the country they chant death to.

Thankful that you or I are NOT in the position to have to make these choices. It can't be easy. I don't envy any of them, either party or situation. Not fun.

You're not wrong. But when I see the amount of destruction that America's wars and proxy wars have caused in the last 50 years and how much of that has been part of the cause of the very same problems we're facing today, the cycle of violence appears to also be catastrophic to the safety of the free world. The USA caused coupes that led to the destabilization of Iran and the crazies that are in charge today. The USA funded Al-Qaeda and Iraq before they became enemies. We keep trying to use war as a solution to past mistakes that were also caused by war. I don't see how this ends, especially when the people goading for more war are profiting from war as well.

 

[0neAnd0nly]

You're not wrong. But when I see the amount of destruction that America's wars and proxy wars have caused in the last 50 years and how much of that has been part of the cause of the very same problems we're facing today, the cycle of violence appears to also be catastrophic to the safety of the free world. The USA caused coupes that led to the destabilization of Iran and the crazies that are in charge today. The USA funded Al-Qaeda and Iraq before they became enemies. We keep trying to use war as a solution to past mistakes that were also caused by war. I don't see how this ends, especially when the people goading for more war are profiting from war as well.

I choose to believe and hope that errors of past ways have taught us how to handle problems moving forward.

I also hope that we only do what is necessary and if violence can be avoided, hopefully we avoid that.

At the end of the day, the majority of us have very little knowledge about what is actually transpiring, what Intel says, etc. and are only able to process, generally through our biases, what we are fed in the news / social media.

Not much more I can add, thanks for the respectful back and forth. I hope for the least amount of violence possible, and pray for good to prevail.

 

[Gp1]

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20260217-russia-china-iran-deploy-ships-for-joint-exercises-in-strait-of-hormuz/

Russia, China, Iran deploy ships for joint exercises in Strait of Hormuz (mid-february)

In an interview with the weekly Argumenty i Fakty, Patrushev said Russia is working to build a "multipolar world order on the oceans" in response to what he called Western hegemony.

"We will tap into the potential of BRICS, which should now be given a full-fledged strategic maritime dimension," he said.

He added that the first BRICS naval exercise, dubbed "Will for Peace 2026," was held in January in the South Atlantic and involved Russia, China, Iran, the United Arab Emirates and South Africa.

According to Patrushev, participating navies practiced coordinating efforts to protect trade routes, which he said are becoming increasingly vulnerable.

"The Maritime Security Belt 2026 exercises in the Strait of Hormuz, where Russia, China, and Iran sent their ships, proved to be relevant," he added.

The Brazilian (and Indian) navy when it was about to receive the invitation...

Meanwhile in the Med...

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

 

[Tams]

What happened to '' no more wars ''?




Assuming you mean Europe, who is invading Europe?
NATO without the US is still larger than the US is alone and the only real threat to Europe is Russia who can't even handle Ukraine alone lol.
I don't think any EU member or close EU ally like Norway etc have to be worried honestly.

Altho personally I'd like to see more nuclear powers in Europe, especially at least one Nordic country ( Sweden could resume its nuclear program for instance ) and include all of the Nordics and the Baltics in a nuclear umbrella.
But this idea that Europe would get invaded without the US I think is quite silly.
Probably the biggest benefit has been that Europeans didn't continue fighting each other after WW2 and at this point there's like zero chance of that.

Iran definitely isn't invading Europe lmao.

Iran are operating in Europe though. They've tried quite a few assassinations. If unchecked, they could also cut off a lot of oil and some natural gas that Europe directly and indirectly needs. Effects to trading partners also effect Europe too.

Then there's the wider perspective. There will always be a hegemon. If you don't have might, then you come under the control of those that do eventually.

Types like you also tend to like to preach that we should 'do something', but never accept that ultimately it is often military power that determines if anything significant is done.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Types like you also tend to like to preach that we should 'do something', but never accept that ultimately it is often military power that determines if anything significant is done.

Oh, don't be fooled. Those types do accept it, when it's their brand doing it.

And thus the game continues.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

No one is really criticizing the current establishment for the Iranian thing because ultimately the Iranian government has like no support other than Russia and China.
I am not going to get into a debate about this because ultimately it's a bit off topic, but there are very good reasons why the narrative overall is negative.
If anyone spoke and interacted with the US in the same way as the US government is with its own allies the US would be on the warpath.
You can't behave the way that the current admin is doing and be so antagonistic and blatantly disrespectful and then complain when you get like 1% of the same energy back, none of it is new either it's all an extension of the first term and has only gotten worse.



Afaik there's lasers you can use to shoot them down and Patriots can shoot them down altho keep in mind that none of this is 100% the Iron Dome still misses a lot of missiles too and those are extremely shitty makeshift ones.
I wouldn't be so confident honestly, war rarely goes as planned and as soon as it starts things go wrong real fast.

There's also different types of hypersonic missiles, ones with a set path and ones that can change path and basically evade the latter ones I dunno if there's any good way to shoot down.

Lol...
Real hypersonic missiles can't be shot down by lasers due to their speed. The speed creates so much heat and plasma the missile is shielded in front of it by hot plasma that the laser can't penetrate.

Secondly the US would not rely on lasers as any defacto defence especially against new weapons such as hypersonic. Lasers are untested in real combat, new technology that still experimental.

Truth is ships are always moving at high speeds in the sea, it will probably move out of the way before the missile hits. Iran might have ballistic missiles that cns reach hypersonic but I doubt they have real hypersonics that bounce on the atmosphere and take erratic patterns like Chinese ones.

 

[Meicyn]

But this idea that Europe would get invaded without the US I think is quite silly.

Article:

According to the WSJ, the results were stark. In one scenario, NATO formations attempting an offensive maneuver were quickly identified and neutralized in the simulation by small adversary teams operating reconnaissance and strike drones.

Using Ukraine's Delta battlefield-management system, a group of around 10 Ukrainians mock-destroyed 17 armored vehicles and conducted dozens of simulated strikes within hours.

Ukraine's Delta system fuses drone feeds, satellite data, and frontline intelligence into a single real-time interface, compressing the kill chain from detection to strike into minutes. NATO praised the system during interoperability testing in 2024; by late 2025 it could detect enemy equipment in 2.2 seconds.

Participants described the overall outcome as devastating for alliance forces. In exercise terms, two battalions were rendered combat-ineffective in a single day. One commander observing the drill reportedly reacted with the words: "We are f—."

The exercise underscored how dramatically the battlefield has shifted. Constant drone coverage makes concealment difficult, while rapid digital coordination shortens the time between detection and strike to minutes. Ukrainian units, hardened by two years of full-scale war, rely on real-time data-sharing across command levels to accelerate that process.

Source: https://euromaidanpress.com/2026/02/13/nato-exercise-reveals-alliance-cant-survive-ukraine-style-drone-warfare/

10 Ukrainians armed with drones using modern tactics neutralized two entire NATO battalions in this exercise. 10 individuals. Ten. TEN. A battalion is made up of several hundred, sometimes over a thousand personnel.

It's good these exercises happen, because it removes the illusion of "we totally can defend ourselves invasion isn't an issue" when folks try to reassure themselves that everything is fine. It's not. If you actually, genuinely cared about the issue of maintaining European sovereignty, you would be livid at the snails pace the EU is taking. Mark Rutte is far more qualified to make a military determination on Europe's ability to defend itself without the US, and his assessment three weeks ago was a resounding "good luck".

 

[EviLore]

The Maginot Line is impenetrable, friends

 

[Draugoth]

Considering Iran has actually working air defenses, unlike Venezuela - there will certainly be U.S casualties with this one.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

I would like to see action taken against the Iranian regime, not only for the sake of the Iranian people, but also in the hope it would massively disrupt the efforts of groups like Hezbollah and Hamas.

That being said ...

 

[AJUMP23]

Iranian pr in full force.

 

[AJUMP23]

Considering Iran has actually working air defenses, unlike Venezuela - there will certainly be U.S casualties with this one.

Didn't we already penetrate Iranian air defenses bomb their secret nuclear base and return without casualties. Does Iran buy their air defense from the same place Venezuela does?

All war will have casualties. It is inevitable. I don't want war but I am tired of the terrorist Islamic caliphate of Iran.

 

[jason10mm]

If Iran ne' China can get some missiles through to a carrier......whoa, expect the stock market to CRATER. And if we do start raining bombs, gas prices are likely to spike, but winter is passing into spring so maybe more tolerable?

 

[Lord Panda]

Need as many F-22s as possible to maintain air superiority against Iran's *checks notes* MiG-29s and maybe F-14As if those are even still operational.

Tough one for Iran.

Yeah it's kinda hilarious that Iran is still talking shit in light of all that has happened.

Israel established complete air superiority with only their airforce. This time they will be in a support capacity to the world's most powerful military.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Considering Iran has actually working air defenses, unlike Venezuela - there will certainly be U.S casualties with this one.

Worked flawless last June

The world even thought it was several earthquakes, until they didn't.

 

[ADiTAR]

Considering Iran has actually working air defenses, unlike Venezuela - there will certainly be U.S casualties with this one.

Israel has broken down their defenses in June. tbh I have no idea what that short war did, the outcome was unclear and clearly the nuclear sites are still somewhat alive.

 

[Draugoth]

Iranian pr in full force.

12 Aircraft Carries is going to steamroll Iran.

 

[MisterFalcon]

10 Ukrainians armed with drones using modern tactics neutralized two entire NATO battalions in this exercise. 10 individuals. Ten. TEN. A battalion is made up of several hundred, sometimes over a thousand personnel.

Just wait when you hear what 3 guys with an MLRS can do! Or a single pilot in a F-35.

(and the article 17 vehicles destroyed by the 10 guys, not two entire battalions)

 

[LimanimaPT]

Sure there are a lot of brainwashed Trump supporters around here. These people will believe in any lie that comes out of that puppets mouth.
Are you guys already calling him "Supreme Leader" ?
America, the new Russia/North Korea...

 

[Signalis]

Sure there are a lot of brainwashed Trump supporters around here. These people will believe in any lie that comes out of that puppets mouth.
Are you guys already calling him "Supreme Leader" ?
America, the new Russia/North Korea...

While I am not an American and don't care for your politics

But as is highlighted in your post I quoted. I am sure the same counts for your side as well.

 

[Boss Mog]

Sure there are a lot of brainwashed Trump supporters around here. These people will believe in any lie that comes out of that puppets mouth.
Are you guys already calling him "Supreme Leader" ?
America, the new Russia/North Korea...

A lot of very naïve people here too who think that if the US doesn't do anything, its enemies and adversaries will just play nice and we'll all sing kumbaya around the campfire together. We saw how well that strategy played out with the last president. Russia invaded Ukraine, the taliban retook Afghanistan. When you project weakness, your enemies sense it and that's when they decide to make a move. So many naïve people who live in comfort with no grasp on the price of that comfort. Comfort comes from prosperity which is based on availability of water, food and energy. When your enemies are making moves to control these things which will make your nation weaker, you can't afford to be reactive, you need to be proactive. The comfortable world you live in can be gone in an instant, just ask the Ukrainians.

 

[Lord Panda]

A lot of very naïve people here too who think that if the US doesn't do anything, its enemies and adversaries will just play nice and we'll all sing kumbaya around the campfire together. We saw how well that strategy played out with the last president. Russia invaded Ukraine, the taliban retook Afghanistan. When you project weakness, your enemies sense it and that's when they decide to make a move. So many naïve people who live in comfort with no grasp on the price of that comfort. Comfort comes from prosperity which is based on availability of water, food and energy. When your enemies are making moves to control these things which will make your nation weaker, you can't afford to be reactive, you need to be proactive. The comfortable world you live in can be gone in an instant, just ask the Ukrainians.

I mentioned pages and pages back that Obama's strategy of appeasement, while it might make a certain kind of sense in academic and intellectual circles, only emboldens all the cunts of the world.

 

[Boss Mog]

I mentioned pages and pages back that Obama's strategy of appeasement, while it might make a certain kind of sense in academic and intellectual circles, only emboldens all the cunts of the world.

Yep, let's not forget he sent pallets of cash to Iran and they just took it, laughed, and kept working on making their nukes.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I would like to see action taken against the Iranian regime, not only for the sake of the Iranian people, but also in the hope it would massively disrupt the efforts of groups like Hezbollah and Hamas.

That being said ...

To achieve the peace you need to wage wars. Especially if one side (Iran) is inadequate

Didn't we already penetrate Iranian air defenses bomb their secret nuclear base and return without casualties. Does Iran buy their air defense from the same place Venezuela does?

All war will have casualties. It is inevitable. I don't want war but I am tired of the terrorist Islamic caliphate of Iran.

"Hey, last time Iran allowed it to happen! Iran was kind and compassionate to Israel so it allowed to bomb whatever Israel wanted, fly everywhere and so on"