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Killzone died for this...

Was it worth it ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 7.0%

  • No

    Votes: 195 75.6%

  • Indifferent

    Votes: 45 17.4%
  • Total voters
    258
killzone sold 2-3 million copies... horizon sold 20-30 million copies... it's the GP that choose. ALSO I hope they remake killzone for a modern generation. Tired of them just focusing on one IP in Horizon.
 
Kokoloko85 said:
Yes they want to funnel people into new games, but if someone isnt a fan of the genre there not gonna jump in. This just gives more games and options for fans.
They dont have a FPS game like Killzone. They have Destiny and Marathon, not the same kind of fans or gameplay.
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they don't care. they don't want to maintain a whole online game infrastructure for a small number of people. they build these games for long term ROI and investment not to satisfy a tiny group of aging millennials.

like, people kept saying they were going to port mcc to ps5. i said they will not because they don't want to reintroduce these old games with all the support that comes with it, and sure enough, they didnt port mcc to ps5.
 
leo-j said:
killzone sold 2-3 million copies... horizon sold 20-30 million copies... it's the GP that choose. ALSO I hope they remake killzone for a modern generation. Tired of them just focusing on one IP in Horizon.
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You can't compare sales as the market has grown by about an order of magnitude since KZ1 & 2 came out.

It's like comparing GTA:VC sales with GTA:V.

In the PS3 era, 10m units was like a record breaking success.

These days it's basically table stakes (and games are more expensive than ever per unit).
 
diffusionx said:
they don't care. they don't want to maintain a whole online game infrastructure for a small number of people. they build these games for long term ROI and investment not to satisfy a tiny group of aging millennials.

like, people kept saying they were going to port mcc to ps5. i said they will not because they don't want to reintroduce these old games with all the support that comes with it, and sure enough, they didnt port mcc to ps5.
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Profit is profit. Its up to them if they dont want to do it. Im not saying they will do it, or care about fans. Or its there model.
Im just saying it will bring some small profit and satisfy fans. Clearly it brings in more then spending hundreds of millions on cancelled projects.

They still have TLOU Factions and Uncharted 4 MP going. No1 is expected longterm investment for a Killzone Remaster or its MP. Simple MP games are still fun and is enough
 
archangelmorph said:
You can't compare sales as the market has grown by about an order of magnitude since KZ1 & 2 came out.

It's like comparing GTA:VC sales with GTA:V.

In the PS3 era, 10m units was like a record breaking success.

These days it's basically table stakes (and games are more expensive than ever per unit).
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Agreed.

Alot of games now, even the same IP sell better now than before. Some dont, but that doesnt mean old games cant sell well now again

A Bloodborne 2 would sell a hell alot more than Bloodborne 1, and thats a game that game out in 2015
 
FoxMcChief said:
Shadow Fall was probably the worst in the series. The best was probably the Vita game, Killzone Mercenary. It's tied with Kid Icarus Uprising for best portable games ever.
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I do have a Vita…
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archangelmorph said:
You can't compare sales as the market has grown by about an order of magnitude since KZ1 & 2 came out.

It's like comparing GTA:VC sales with GTA:V.

In the PS3 era, 10m units was like a record breaking success.

These days it's basically table stakes (and games are more expensive than ever per unit).
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What do you want them to do? They made Shadowfall and it didn't sell that well. The very next game they made sold more than all the KZ games combined? I know your not trying to tell me that's all based on the market growing?

I don't get why some of you can't just admit that HZ is popular outside of this site. People like the series and so do I. I actually liked Shadowfall and thought the story got interesting after like the 3rd mission but Horizon is just better. Like I can't stand COD and think the games are trash but I'm not stupid enough to say they sell millions just because the market has grown. It's because people love those games outside of this site.
 
Kokoloko85 said:
Profit is profit. Its up to them if they dont want to do it. Im not saying they will do it, or care about fans. Or its there model.
Im just saying it will bring some small profit and satisfy fans. Clearly it brings in more then spending hundreds of millions on cancelled projects.

They still have TLOU Factions and Uncharted 4 MP going. No1 is expected longterm investment for a Killzone Remaster or its MP. Simple MP games are still fun and is enough
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No, profit is not profit. Companies won't invest $100 million to make $101 million. They have those old games running but note that when they ported Uncharted 4 to PS5, it did not include the MP section. Nor did TLOU remake. Both were opportunities to bring those modes to a new audience, but they decided not to. So they're not going to do it with Killzone.

I agree that simple MP games are still fun, but it's not worth it for these companies to do it anymore, so they don't.
 
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RafterXL said:
You can go with whatever you want, but when you tout nearly 50 million in sales without any context you're pretending that they really sold 50 million copies of these games. The amount of bundles and $10 upgrades that are counted as "sales" is significant and every time people brag on this series they continently leave that out.
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Btw looks like the number was 38m my bad my argument is still the same, killzone was not as financially successful as Horizon hence why they killed it.
 
RafterXL said:
You can go with whatever you want, but when you tout nearly 50 million in sales without any context you're pretending that they really sold 50 million copies of these games. The amount of bundles and $10 upgrades that are counted as "sales" is significant and every time people brag on this series they continently leave that out.
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Does it really matter? At the end of the day Sony wants to make money and it's clear regardless of what Horizons "real sales" are that it was way more successful than Killzone has ever been.
 
mayham2199 said:
What do you want them to do? They made Shadowfall and it didn't sell that well. The very next game they made sold more than all the KZ games combined? I know your not trying to tell me that's all based on the market growing?

I don't get why some of you can't just admit that HZ is popular outside of this site. People like the series and so do I. I actually liked Shadowfall and thought the story got interesting after like the 3rd mission but Horizon is just better. Like I can't stand COD and think the games are trash but I'm not stupid enough to say they sell millions just because the market has grown. It's because people love those games outside of this site.
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I have no idea who you're arguing with.

I made no comment against HZ. I love the franchise personally (barring what I've seen regarding the new GaaS monstrosity).

HZ certainly carries more mainstream appeal than KZ (open world games = mainstream, dinosaurs = appeal, mechs = appeal, dinosaurs + mechs + open world = how could this not do gangbusters bro!?!), but there's no argument to say Guerilla couldn't have explored building on both, especially into the PS5 gen.

Rather than Sony spunking $3.5B they could have easily capitalised them by say $600m; by locking in publishing rights + funding for Marathon, further Destiny 2 development + at least 2-3 new projects, and deployed the rest of the money to bolstering additional dev teams across their existing literally world-class (proven) studios and expanded development of more projects that tap into their highly deep, highly respected and highly critically acclaimed back catalog.

Frustrating really.
 
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archangelmorph said:
I have no idea who you're arguing with.

I made no comment against HZ. I love the franchise personally (barring what I've seen regarding the new GaaS monstrosity).

HZ certainly carries more mainstream appeal than KZ (open world games = mainstream, dinosaurs = appeal, mechs = appeal, dinosaurs + mechs + open world = how could this not do gangbusters bro!?!), but there's no argument to say Guerilla couldn't have explored building on both, especially into the PS5 gen.

Rather than Sony spunking $3.5B they could have easily capitalised them by say $600m; by locking in publishing rights + funding for Marathon, further Destiny 2 development + at least 2-3 new projects, and deployed the rest of the money to bolstering additional dev teams across their existing literally world-class (proven) studios and expanded development of more projects that tap into their highly deep, highly respected and highly critically acclaimed back catalog.

Frustrating really.
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I think we can all agree the Bungie purchase was a mistake but it's done and honestly using that money to make KZ wouldn't have been any better. Sony isn't interested in making a couple of million from their games. They are watching all these companies making hundreds of millions off one game and they want to get involved in that because it's putting them in a dangerous position. Like 50% of their revenue is from 10 GAAS games. They need to be involved in that so that if they start losing those games they'll have their own to replace the revenue.

I have a client who relied on two or three huge clients for all their business. They lost one of those clients because they were sold off to another large company and now they are struggling to stay open. The other two clients aren't enough and I saw tons of people at that company lose their job who had been there for decades. This is the position Sony is in right now. They lose one of those 10 games and their revenue drops off drastically unless something else takes it's place. Your focused on getting a new KZ game and I get it but Sony is focused on securing their future.
 
Horizon would probably get less hate around here if Herman didn't try to milk it so hard. He's over-saturating the market with Horizon games, and people are sick of it. I don't blame them, although I'm a fan of the first game. It's something I play just to relax, because I like the environment and combat.

I tried Killzone, but it never grabbed me -- just seemed like a another dark gloomy shooter to me. I'm glad they moved on personally, although I do understand how people are sick of seeing Horizon games.
 
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mayham2199 said:
I think we can all agree the Bungie purchase was a mistake but it's done and honestly using that money to make KZ wouldn't have been any better. Sony isn't interested in making a couple of million from their games. They are watching all these companies making hundreds of millions off one game and they want to get involved in that because it's putting them in a dangerous position. Like 50% of their revenue is from 10 GAAS games. They need to be involved in that so that if they start losing those games they'll have their own to replace the revenue.

I have a client who relied on two or three huge clients for all their business. They lost one of those clients because they were sold off to another large company and now they are struggling to stay open. The other two clients aren't enough and I saw tons of people at that company lose their job who had been there for decades. This is the position Sony is in right now. They lose one of those 10 games and their revenue drops off drastically unless something else takes it's place. Your focused on getting a new KZ game and I get it but Sony is focused on securing their future.
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You seem desperate to assume any of this is binary. One option vs another. Zero sum.

Sony could have and should do all of those things.

Diversified investment.

That's the very heritage strategy that they built their entire IP stable, and brand value on.

I know you seem to hate KZ but many love it fondly, and what makes you think a modern AAA KZ couldn't do $100s of millions to billions of dollars in revenue?

Since KZ, Halo grew dramatically and proved it's possible (before it shat the bed), and more generally CoD proved that a world class FPS franchise could easily carry a mainstream audience.

There's so much potential here and KZ always had far superior lore (more grown up world and themes) to Halo, even if the games left so much on the table in terms of actually exploring it.

Imagine a new KZ with Tides of Annihilation tier visual fidelity, TLOU2 tier character story and COD tier gameplay finesse?

I can't see how that couldn't be seriously bankable.
 
I just can't belive that they didn't cancel this abomination long ago. Now they'll have a very expensive Concord moment on their hands. People keep talking about a struggling games industry and the industry keeps pumping out sauceless shit with freakshow characters no one wants to play as. Even the 'purple' people don't show up in numbers to make this shit financially viable.

Can we have cool games with sauce again?
 
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archangelmorph said:
You seem desperate to assume any of this is binary. One option vs another. Zero sum.

Sony could have and should do all of those things.

Diversified investment.

That's the very heritage strategy that they built their entire IP stable, and brand value on.

I know you seem to hate KZ but many love it fondly, and what makes you think a modern AAA KZ couldn't do $100s of millions to billions of dollars in revenue?

Since KZ, Halo grew dramatically and proved it's possible (before it shat the bed), and more generally CoD proved that a world class FPS franchise could easily carry a mainstream audience.

There's so much potential here and KZ always had far superior lore (more grown up world and themes) to Halo, even if the games left so much on the table in terms of actually exploring it.

Imagine a new KZ with Tides of Annihilation tier visual fidelity, TLOU2 tier character story and COD tier gameplay finesse?

I can't see how that couldn't be seriously bankable.
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I don't hate KZ I clearly said I liked Shadowfall which many on here consider it the worst. They can only diversify so much. Guerilla can only work on so many projects before they have to increase their employee count. They are already working on several things for Horizon. To do Killzone they would essentially have to hire way more people to get working on it.

I don't think a modern KZ could do 100s of millions because it's never done that and it has like 5-6 games. How many chances do we have to give KZ before we say it's just not that popular? Halo and COD are not in the same place KZ is in. By COD2 they sold nearly 6 million copies way more than KZ has ever done. Halo 2 was at like 8 million. Do you see the difference? Halo and COD were given more chances and they continued to sell more and more. KZ has never done that and has always stayed around the 2 million mark.

On top of all that we have to ask does Guerilla even want to do this? Are they even interested in going back to a series that they already made 5-6 games for? Last I heard this gathering game is a project they really wanted to work on since they even came up with the Hoirzon idea. So do you really want a team who isn't even interested in doing anymore Killzone working on a new one?
 
diffusionx said:
No, profit is not profit. Companies won't invest $100 million to make $101 million. They have those old games running but note that when they ported Uncharted 4 to PS5, it did not include the MP section. Nor did TLOU remake. Both were opportunities to bring those modes to a new audience, but they decided not to. So they're not going to do it with Killzone.

I agree that simple MP games are still fun, but it's not worth it for these companies to do it anymore, so they don't.
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But its not an investment of 100m to make 101m though. The game will probably sell 3-5million copies at 50-70bucks.

And again, Im not saying its how companies act. Im saying it as something I want, as a fans point of view..

Sony is making a ton of money compared to 2 gens ago. I could give less of a shit what the company wants, use that money for me and what I want lol. This isnt a board meeting for CEO's. Its a fan request that will probably never become true :p

Nintendo makes games to cater to different fans for small sales. This is similar.

PS can still go on to make there Horizon MP games,Marathon, Destiny etc for the bigger bucks. But they can also still make these smaller games/remakes.
Again Im not saying its what they will do, but its not gonna lose them any money or the opportunity to lose bigger money with there bigger games.

They've lost plenty of money trying to make a game 100m—->1Billion. Bend, Bluepoint, Concord, Fairgames, Deviation games project.
This remake wont lose them money like those and will be cheaper.

Kinda like Ghost of Yotei and Tsushima Legends mode. They have extra MP modes, they are not expecting it to make them billions after initial sale.
So Playstation is still doing games with MP games. No reason they cant do it for when they remake Uncharted 1 or Killzone.

They avoided it for TLOU remake because Factions 2 was meant to come out. And also they are in the mindset of "Lots of Gaas games developed separately" Im not saying they are right or wrong. More they can so do MP games like Ghost of Yotei, a small side thing. While they also make there bigger MP only games

I think it depends on what you consider worth it. Sure its not gona make them billions, but like Demons Souls Remake didnt make billions, this is a small investment, for some return and fans.

Im not saying your wrong and its not what modern game publishers want.
Im saying they have billions of profit, making a remake and MP mode is gonna make them small money. Its something they can easily do.

Nintendo didnt expect Metroid Prime and Ditective Pacachu to sell like Animal Crossing and Mario, but it give theres fans something to play and some small profit.
Sony can do the same here, they dont HAVE to just focus huge investment titles. If we're gonna be in world where they just try to make thee games that sell biillions, its gonna be shit.

Basically if they do this, its not gonna harm them. They have enough money to do it. As a fan, I want. Do I expect no. Will I keep asking, yes lol
 
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AeonGaidenRaiden said:
I honestly think Killzone deserves another chance. Horizon is getting milked to death and the franchise needs to go to sleep for a bit.
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Yeah after Horizon 3 it needs bed time for awhile imo. Time for new IP and Killzone Remake to test the waters lol.

Horizon has the MP to carry it for next gen if it works out
 
Kokoloko85 said:
Yeah after Horizon 3 it needs bed time for awhile imo. Time for new IP and Killzone Remake to test the waters lol.

Horizon has the MP to carry it for next gen if it works out
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I agree after Horizon 3 they need to let it go. I don't want more KZ though. What I like about PS is they move on. So that's what I want them to do move on to a new IP.
 
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Killzone was just a mediocre FPS series overhyped for being a Sony exclusive.

With that said, it was still better than the other garbage Guerrila made so I just going to go with indifferent.
 
Sintoid said:
I'm honestly sick of this threads of the innocent gamer victim of the bad developer
Killzone died because you all did not buy it

I have a good memory and I was in this forum already at that times and I can clearly remember that:
Killzone is worst than Cod/Halo3/Battlefield so no buy
Killzone was the fake E3 trailer so boo Sony
Guerrilla is working finally on something else with mechanic dinosaurs Yeeee!!!! Finally no more Killzone!!!
Want to talk about old God of War trilogy Vs Norse chapters?
Wanna talk about Motorstorm trilogy???


So please stop being virgin gamers and face it, if something sells it keep being made

I'm quite sure I will live enough to see a new thread in this forum called "Horizon died for this...."
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This. Sony has had some great first party titles but they have never been able to nail a killer FPS title.
 
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