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Monitoring the situation in Iran

j0hnnix said:
Reddit is spamming deaths of 100 school children by a Us missile, but I'm not seeing anything. If it is not true Reddit continues to be the shittiest of hive minds.
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The Administration should stop pretending some Reddit factions are harmless and start treating them with the same seriousness they reserve for Antifa.
 
I just woke up and hearing such great news about Iran makes my hope and believe in the future of 100% free and democratic Russia as well as Belarus even stronger. One way or the other, sooner or later, but we all be celebrating our freedom, death of dictatorship and fascism in our countries once and for all.

Hopefully now people of Iran will family take over the power, change their county forever, make peace with Israel, completely destroy drone production country-wide, stop nuclear program, say FYOU to fascist Putin and Xi.

Freedom can't be killed!✊🇮🇷🇷🇺🇧🇾
 
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Rentahamster said:
That's a lot of text to try to rationalize the idea that they wouldn't have been a stable, liberalized state by now listening to our music and buying our blue jeans if we had just left them alone. I don't think you've made the case that radicalization was inevitable.
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It's a drop of text out of oceans of historical content that needs to be studied and learned. We're talking about a religion that was able conquer much of the known world and hold on to power for over a millennium, and you're still thinking in terms of century (give or take) old democracies. The United States is a baby compared to this. Blue Jeans and Rock & Roll are a blip on the radar and the only reason you think they're the natural outcome of civilization is because you probably never learned enough about the rest of the world. Travel to China, travel to India, hopefully you'll be able to travel to Iran some day soon. These civilizations are far older than even the Europe that gave birth to the United States. Their values are old, they were writing books about population dynamics and cultural control before the predecessors of the English language were ever spoken. Travel to Africa and see how people there live. Travel to Eastern Europe and Western Asia. The world is a big place.

I don't need to make the case that radicalization is inevitable, you need to make the case that democracy is inevitable. It's certainly not the norm even today. It doesn't exist in China and that country is flourishing. It existed in Germany in the 1930s and we all know how that turned out.
 
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Brucey said:
No confirmation.

www.bbc.com

Dozens dead in Iran school blast blamed on US and Israel strikes

There is no confirmation by the US or Israel of the strike on the school located near elite military troops.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

If its true I'm going to imagine that was an Israeli launched missile as they are more adept at such things.
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I still remember the world going crazy about a hospital in Gaza, massive outrage, and a day later it was proven from video captured to be a Hamas rocket went astray, but the media damage to help the anti-Israel narrative was already done. I'd hold out on assigning the cause so quickly. Earlier today, the purple forum was convince the Ayatollah had fled his headquarters and was safe, just as another example of fabricated news they clung to, until disproven.
 
I find it crazy Iran declined the US. No doubt stubborn headed. Whenever you see any of those cleric kind of guys you just know trying to convince them is going to be almost impossible.

But US made an offer deal, Trump then made a stern speech directly saying he'll strike, the US had been stockpiling for a month all these warships and planes.

I guess Iran thought Trump was bluffing, or they thought they could run around from safe house to safe house in a wild goose chase they'd never get caught.

As i said earlier, Trump can be unpredictable. Just look at his tariffs. Sometimes on, sometimes off, sometimes a 90 day delay. You never know. I guess they thought Trump would drag it on faking it. Playing chicken in a military crisis is a lot different than playing chicken if one country wants to impose a tariff.

Iran leaders lost the bet. Lesson learned. Cant fault Trump not offering a deal or advance notice. It was there. All the Iran leader had to say is yes.
 
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StreetsofBeige said:
But US made an offer deal, Trump then made a stern speech directly saying he'll strike, the US had been stockpiling for a month all these warships and planes.
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Iran:

Ralph Wiggum Danger GIF
 
efyu_lemonardo said:
I don't need to make the case that radicalization is inevitable, you need to make the case that democracy is inevitable.
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Yes you do. Extremist fundamentalist histories are not exclusive to just one of the three major Abrahamic religions. Christianity was also spread very wide via the sword but it went through its own liberalization process due to the many lengthy stretches of peace and prosperity Western countries experienced.

It's no coincidence that when you rank the Muslim states by their democracy index, the ones near the bottom are usually the ones that have a long history of being fucked with.

en.wikipedia.org

Islam and democracy - Wikipedia

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nkarafo said:
They are islam fanatics. Islam fanatics only know terror. They use terror to suppress their enemies and force others to support them. That's the only tactic they know.
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Iran has never attacked its neighbouring countries or comitted genocide. Their nuclear capablities were 'bombed 'last year. And who has Iran supressed? Don't tell me their own people because we have no business telling other countries what to do with their own people.
 
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Wilhelm_85 said:
normalize relations with Russia
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This is impossible. With Russia, like with the islam world, you can only achieve a cold peace. They don't want to be our friends or partners. We have to stop believing that the whole world can adopt the western agenda.

In the case of Iran, people want to be free and rid of tynnic islam, so it's a chance to gain a valuable ally in the MEA, but never imposing whatever regime in our fantasies we would want for them.
 
anaslexy said:
Don't tell me their own people because we have no business telling other countries what to do with their own people.
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Eh....I can't help but apply that logic to Nazi Germany and conclude you didn't think it through. Or, at least, I hope you didn't.
 
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