Lokaum D+
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RE6 and RE3RE are worse imo, if i had did just one playthrough i would rank this game above 8, but since i did 3, this is only above 3RE and 6.
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Resident Evil Requiem --- Open Spoilers Discussion ---
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Reizo Ryuu
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Leon never shoots emily with a shotgun, if you switched to one in gameplay that doesn't mean that's what happened; he shoots her with a handgun, then grace tries to stop him by pulling his arm, then leon shoots a bit more, and then we still see him with the handgun and grace holding his arm.
PauloRoberto
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RE3 RE i ignore, because it's the worst remake i ever seen in my life... but it's still a remake after all, the original story still exists, and it's good but it's time of course.
That being said, i really liked RE8 because it does not take itself too seriously (a plague of these new Resident Evil remakes, I might add).
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Jesb
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Those trying to make sense of the story, I just wanted to remind you guys that part of the game was looking for organs for a body that had their organs removed. You than get these organs found in a truck insert them into the body and the body is alive again. The writing is not the only goofy thing about this game, so are the puzzles. This is re. It's always been this way, so are we shocked that once again the writing is bad lol.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
You can also not fire a single time and you'll defeat Emily via cutscene with one bullet. Even during the time you have control you actually can't swap out weapons.
And given the ending it really seemed like the Mutation stage Emily was in was just a larval or cocoon stage and the transformation into what Marie was had not been reached.
Or Emily was simply a different kind of mutation.
PauloRoberto
Member
IMHO? The writing takes itself too seriously, that's the problem... i don't see a problem with a bad writing that makes me smile (think about the merchant, or the duke, or ethan's hand that cures with some antiseptic and nobody in the game questions why... :-D)
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Lokaum D+
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when you have a guy parrying rocket launchers and cars and a FBI agent that can barely talk or walk we may have achieve a new kind of bad writing even for RE games.
Also, apparently this is reversible, its just a "cacoon"...... LMAO
"i would never escaped without her" because you are a retarded Grace, if you had half a brain you would have escaped without even putting her in danger.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
lol yes, this.
Even if someone was blown into a thousand pieces they aren't necessarily dead. "We were able to procure a sample of their blood and because they were infected with the Z-Virus, we could regenerate their tissues and memories and clone them into a new body. They're back."
^^ In RE I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow if something like this happened ^^
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Generic
Member
Capcom will abandon the connections in the next game just like they abandoned the family and the good umbrella.
I'm the same.
semiconscious
Member
but good pulp needs to be taken seriously. it can't really work otherwise. they've just upped the melodrama ante in order to stay relevant, but it's always been this way: the maiden has to be in distress. i mean, really, seriously in distress...
PauloRoberto
Member
Capcom never really abandoned umbrella... i would almost BET MONEY that there is at least ONE MORE installation under Racoon City! :-D
Madflavor
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I didn't create this, but like to share with everyone:
Kinda crazy how little puzzles there are in the game. I wish Requiem was 90% Grace and 10% Leon. Leon works best as 10 minute cathartic breaks between Grace's sections.
kunonabi
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As bad as 9's story is there are plenty worse. 0, CV, 5, 6, 8 and REV2 all outclass it in dumb. 4 is also pretty bad but that's more an issue of tone really. RE6 at least has some good character work but it gets outweighed by the awful villain motivations.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I liked the story. Not as much as some others, and maybe I went in with lower expectations because I heard people trashing it, but I enjoyed Grace, who she was, her back story, and the motivations behind it all. Maybe the endgame villain was a little weak, but the story itself I enjoyed. I thought it was a great game. I have it at least on par with RE4 if not better because I felt I spent more time indoors in this game which I always prefer as opposed to the outdoor sections. Although Raccoon City was a bit lengthy, but I think that made up for the outdoors parts with the nostalgia of it all. Though I do think that was the weakest part of the game. But everything was great, I thought it had a better mix of old school survival horror than RE4 did which leaned a bit too heavy in action for my liking. RE1 and 2 will always be my favorites.... which made seeing Mr. X again in this a treat. Thing is terrifying as hell.
All in all I loved it. Leon was badass in this and always made me laugh and Grace brought levity and heart to the game.
All in all I loved it. Leon was badass in this and always made me laugh and Grace brought levity and heart to the game.
DavidGzz
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For their respective genres? YES. And seeing criticisms, wow, big whoop. There are criticisms for all forms of content. Congrats on being part of the 3%.
kunonabi
Member
That's the thing it hasn't always been this way. The early games had some silliness to facilitate the puzzles, RE2 police station being the biggest offender, but the game still operated under a relatively grounded approach through a Hollywood action movie lense. Larger than life and full of video game quirkiness but nothing nearly as bad what the series turned into starting with Code Veronica.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Oh cmon, he clearly didn't hit her vitals while she was completely mutated and her organs position was all over the place, leon clearly knew she was a kid that grace cared for, that's why he didn't aimed for vital spots like he does with every monster avout to kill someone, and that's why he told her immediately that she was still alive instead of making her scream in anguish and saving the reveal for the end, leon knew all about helpis being a cure all along...
Oh wait...
Jesb
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I defended it a bit but It's still a bit mind blowing how bad the story was written. Biggest budget they ever had and they thought this was good enough? They did nothing with the daylight vaccine. But even more I can't believe that grace wasn't actually Allysa's biological daughter. And the whole clone angle. But most of all that there's nothing special about grace, the story is a complete mess. This could've been the best re if they nailed this.
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kunonabi
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Its funny under any other circumstance having an RE character be a normal person and not some super special snowflake would be a welcome subversion of expectations. This was not one of those times. So many possibilities with playing a child of an Outbreak survivor just completely wasted. The adoption nonsense just makes it worse because there is literally no reason to have teased us with Alyssa to begin with. She doesn't even act anything like she's supposed to and they don't even really acknowledge her as a Raccoon City survivor so the only reason to use her name at all was to troll Outbreak fans.
I would not care about people scrutinizing the story if this was some kind of best seller novel, but this is a fucking RE game.
What is considered the best iteration of this IP has a story as ridiculous, if not more, than RE9.
If RE4 came out today, you would tear it to pieces the same. This is a fucking video game, enjoy it (or not) and move on.
Judging people because they liked it and trying to convince them it is not fun/good is beyond pathetic.
What is considered the best iteration of this IP has a story as ridiculous, if not more, than RE9.
If RE4 came out today, you would tear it to pieces the same. This is a fucking video game, enjoy it (or not) and move on.
Judging people because they liked it and trying to convince them it is not fun/good is beyond pathetic.
Lokaum D+
Member
arent you doing the same here ? over glazing the game is fine, but over criticizing is bad ?
also, i dont remember a RE with this many plot wholes and bad writing as RE9 does.
Nankatsu
Member
Rewatching this made me realize something.
Emily might still be alive, I didn't shoot her vitals.
First shot mf does it's right in the head
Aldynes
Member
It would have sucked on a different way, Grace sections lack the weapon progression you got in previous RE 7 / 8 and better gameplay mechanics for multiple playtrough (it's just running and kiting mobs as it is now especially on insane) while the first part is good the rest of the game's pacing is atrocious, Leon getting 10% would have left everyone salty at wondering how better the game could have been if he got longer game time.
This game overall appreciation gonna fall of a cliff soon, it is polarizing by design and sadly either parts are not good enough when isolated, I still prefer RE 7/8 for Grace and RE 4R / RE 3R / RE 6 for Leon.
Truth is the game's suffer the most is in the pacing, it's is biggest sin for me along with the story being butchered by stupid twists and nonsense choices by the characters.
Just watch this part of this video and defend this :
Madflavor
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I think if 90% of the game were Grace, she would've gotten more weapons and enemy variety, so I don't think that would've been an issue.
I don't know if it'll fall off a cliff, but I think it'll definitely be seen with a more critical eye over time. It gives very strong first impressions, it's been 5 years since the last mainline Resident Evil, it was riding off the waves of success from the previous games, and it has Leon. It was also coming out at a time where people were craving a quality AAA single player experience. It really was a perfect storm for success. I just don't think years from now consensus will place it as one of the greats.
Lokaum D+
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This is the best RE game to ever Grace the face of the earth, game of the universe, you are just a hater/grifter/insert random swear here.
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Reizo Ryuu
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
NG+ should of opened up new crafting recipes for Grace to allow the use of Molotovs, Acid Bottles earlier and The Hemolytic Extinguishers(like actually craft them) which are just Flamethrowers that make Zombies explode.
Kind of disappointed we couldn't find or grab a Dart Gun and shoot Hemolytic Darts at Zombies. Victor used one why can't we?
K K' Dash RE4OG's story, enemy and weapon variety and actual boss fights is legit good though. Also Ada Wong.
Kind of disappointed we couldn't find or grab a Dart Gun and shoot Hemolytic Darts at Zombies. Victor used one why can't we?
K K' Dash RE4OG's story, enemy and weapon variety and actual boss fights is legit good though. Also Ada Wong.
Nankatsu
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I need tyo
Yeah, I thought she would come around in the game, even if not just a small appearance to show that Leon hasn't forgot about her
One thing that caught my eye, unless I misunderstood it, was how the game kind of portraits the BSAA to be under the Pentagon's wing.
I could actually see them dropping a Chris Redfield clone mambo jambo going forward, impersonating the real one and using the BSAA for military cover ops that still target the T-virus experiences and other black ops. Kidnap Chris, lock him somewhere and have Fake Chris working for the Pentagon while Leon and Claire try to uncover all the shit.
They actually teased a rogue Chris at the beginning of RE8 and was quite interesting, even though he fumbled at the end and was all part of his good guy plan all along.
Anyway, the series is now in need of a strong villain since Wesker dying on RE5.
Yeah, I thought she would come around in the game, even if not just a small appearance to show that Leon hasn't forgot about her
One thing that caught my eye, unless I misunderstood it, was how the game kind of portraits the BSAA to be under the Pentagon's wing.
I could actually see them dropping a Chris Redfield clone mambo jambo going forward, impersonating the real one and using the BSAA for military cover ops that still target the T-virus experiences and other black ops. Kidnap Chris, lock him somewhere and have Fake Chris working for the Pentagon while Leon and Claire try to uncover all the shit.
They actually teased a rogue Chris at the beginning of RE8 and was quite interesting, even though he fumbled at the end and was all part of his good guy plan all along.
Anyway, the series is now in need of a strong villain since Wesker dying on RE5.
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semiconscious
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yep. to people asking 'how can anyone ask me to take this idiotic shit seriously?', my response is 'who's asking you to?' if the stupidity present in this game is preventing someone from enjoying it, they might ask themselves 'so, just how much stupidity have i been willing to put up with up till now in order to enjoy the other games in the series?'...
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Soodanim
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I agree about the "I didn't hit her vitals" and "We can reverse save her", because neither of those make sense even in the world of RE. The t-virus causes rapid growth and changes, it's not like the virus also stores a genetic backup in case of reversal. I don't recall that happening before, and I'm not sure what Elpis is supposed to actually be in lore but it's going to have to be a bloody good explanation to justify that level of recovery. I know the ending shows her in a coccoon-esque stage where her human body was more enveloped rather than transformed, but that doesn't really make sense to me given we see her transformation begin. Points to Capcom for using not being willing/able to show transformations in engine to their advantage, but it was a bit of a stretch to me.
I watched a little bit of one of the videos you posted after the timestamp and I also agree with some of those points, like the helicopter. The first thought I had was "Why isn't Grace shooting them?" She canonically has Requiem even if you ignored the pistols. The Braille could have easily not been an issue by not making all machines have them, but there are also other things like her state of mind clouding her judgement and it being a minor point in the grand scheme of things -- avoidable, but not the worst thing ever.
I think the story leans a little bit too much into the whole "I am/was helpless" theme. After many years of being an agent the survivor's guilt angle doesn't really have the same impact when Leon has actively done all sorts of good worldwide, even if RPD was the beginning and permanently imprinted in his mind. He can't still feel guilty about Marvin. I'd have thought he'd have taken more of a "I know that feeling, but this isn't your fault. Focus on what you can do, and I'm with you to help you do it" approach. His anger at Lickers was good, though. That's what he should be carrying by now.
It will definitely be interesting to see how it plays out long term for the split characters alone. This isn't CV where 2 characters play the same to tell the story, it's gluing together two characters that are so different that even their inventories are different - it's for all intents and purposes two different games. They could have done an A/B scenario, at least after the first playthrough.
I think for some it is a good mix that works well, but for others it's a confused game that doesn't know what it wants to be. I can understand both points of view. I said in my first post ITT that Leon's story goes crazy for a while with the bike scene but then it settles back down again. Some might see that as switching tones to cover Leon's previous games' styles (his car license plate has 9642 in it after all), but others won't like Leon's greatest hits playing out.
The game has more hits than misses, but they're in different areas and what the wider world finds the most important will be key.
Lokaum D+
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Why would Zeno inject himself with Elpis if he thinks it's a mind control weapon?
It would have been more logical that he used it on Leon, making him recover by mistake and offering a reason for a boss fight with him. Missed opportunity.
Nankatsu
Member
Why would Zeno inject himself with Elpis if he thinks it's a mind control weapon?
It would have been more logical that he used it on Leon, making him recover by mistake and offering a reason for a boss fight with him. Missed opportunity.
This would actually make way more sense.
Everyone was like holy shit it's Wesker 2.0, look at all those flashy moves, just for him to be diced of by Gideon in order to make Victor the last Boss.
Don't get me wrong, I liked Gideon as an on-screen villain for the talks, but not clearly for battle.
Melee with Zeno would have been peak.
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Wilhelm_85
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Finished the game last night and absolutely loved it. Probably the best of the modern trilogy, although some of the Raccoon City section was a bit bland. They really should have set it at night. I don't remember enough of the series' plot details to notice any retcons, but I really like what they did with the story. Having some hope in the form of a cure available should really open up new possibilities for the series. Seems like the next game will prominently feature Chris, so I'm excited to finally be able to play as him again.
He must have assumed it would unlock mind control powers.
Why would Zeno inject himself with Elpis if he thinks it's a mind control weapon?
It would have been more logical that he used it on Leon, making him recover by mistake and offering a reason for a boss fight with him. Missed opportunity.
He must have assumed it would unlock mind control powers.
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Roni
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Just finished the game on Insanity. Didn't use Special Content with Grace, but ended up purchasing the Mortal Edge with Leon. The increased parry window makes a big difference with Blister Heads; which are not only so much more difficult to head shot given their erratic behavior, but also take a ton of punishment regardless of where you hit them. I appreciated the changes in the difficulty very much. I went for the chef to get the extra blood with Grace and the game promptly told me to fuck off. Loved it. The additional Blister Heads in the tunnels while escaping the lab in Rhodes Hill is also pretty chilling. I was expecting to make a clean break after ending the zombies, but there's one motherfucker right at a turn.
The spike in zombie health is noticeable early on, but one gets used to it after a while. I ended up using my Requiem shot with Grace to get through a zombie early on and didn't have the shot when the three zombies come at you in the East Wing when you reach the Isolation Ward entrance. That locked me up for a couple of days, the two zombies at the top of the stairs kept me from progressing. I wanted to go straight for the bracelet, but I had to take my time and actually go through the West Wing again and acquire more supplies in order to break that obstacle.
The boss fights shine a lot more on Insanity, you actually have to learn how to play the encounter as the designers intended. The spider is much more interesting when you can't just stand and bang with it. Mr. X and Victor are also much more interesting because you actually need to parry. There's no way through without it.
I didn't like the changes they did to the Girl boss fight, Classic actually let you sneak past her and reap the rewards of playing smart when reaching the first lever and entering the area of the second lever. Insanity forces additional triggers on those places and even if she is on the other side of the area, she will spawn in front of you for shock effect. Wasn't a fan of it.
It's very clear the story we got is incomplete. Victor shows up without an arm and he had both arms when he fell from the highway. Seems random he'd lose an arm in that situation given he's a Nemesis unit. My guess is the DLC has an entire new storyline with Chris that will run in parallel with Leon and Grace's. Victor shows up in the DLC and is a boss fight, Hunk probably shows up again; paying off the fact he disappears after the boss fight and Chris' ending will actually extend beyond what we currently see as the ending for RE9; and Leon will show up to help at the DLC's conclusion. Could be a chance we see more of Raccoon City and perhaps more interesting scenarios, like the Zoo - which was teased. Although, NGL, I want the Zoo tease to be related to an Outbreak project; not just the DLC. If the DLC is big enough, I can see Capcom charging 60% to 80% of full price given Requiem's reception.
PSA: if you're struggling with Path Tracing in East Raccoon City, turn off Particle Lighting. I can play at max settings until after the spider and from the RPD onwards. But the section Leon has to grab the detonator parts drops FPS like crazy if Particle Lighting is enabled. Must be all the ash and debris in the air they're simulating.
The spike in zombie health is noticeable early on, but one gets used to it after a while. I ended up using my Requiem shot with Grace to get through a zombie early on and didn't have the shot when the three zombies come at you in the East Wing when you reach the Isolation Ward entrance. That locked me up for a couple of days, the two zombies at the top of the stairs kept me from progressing. I wanted to go straight for the bracelet, but I had to take my time and actually go through the West Wing again and acquire more supplies in order to break that obstacle.
The boss fights shine a lot more on Insanity, you actually have to learn how to play the encounter as the designers intended. The spider is much more interesting when you can't just stand and bang with it. Mr. X and Victor are also much more interesting because you actually need to parry. There's no way through without it.
I didn't like the changes they did to the Girl boss fight, Classic actually let you sneak past her and reap the rewards of playing smart when reaching the first lever and entering the area of the second lever. Insanity forces additional triggers on those places and even if she is on the other side of the area, she will spawn in front of you for shock effect. Wasn't a fan of it.
It's very clear the story we got is incomplete. Victor shows up without an arm and he had both arms when he fell from the highway. Seems random he'd lose an arm in that situation given he's a Nemesis unit. My guess is the DLC has an entire new storyline with Chris that will run in parallel with Leon and Grace's. Victor shows up in the DLC and is a boss fight, Hunk probably shows up again; paying off the fact he disappears after the boss fight and Chris' ending will actually extend beyond what we currently see as the ending for RE9; and Leon will show up to help at the DLC's conclusion. Could be a chance we see more of Raccoon City and perhaps more interesting scenarios, like the Zoo - which was teased. Although, NGL, I want the Zoo tease to be related to an Outbreak project; not just the DLC. If the DLC is big enough, I can see Capcom charging 60% to 80% of full price given Requiem's reception.
PSA: if you're struggling with Path Tracing in East Raccoon City, turn off Particle Lighting. I can play at max settings until after the spider and from the RPD onwards. But the section Leon has to grab the detonator parts drops FPS like crazy if Particle Lighting is enabled. Must be all the ash and debris in the air they're simulating.
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Bitstream
Member
Performance dropped off a cliff when I got to RC, I had to drop the resolution AND turn on frame gen for stability and it still felt like trash. Turned off particle lighting last night just to test, and was able to run 4k dlss perf like I did the rest of the game. This is an MVP suggestion.
Wilhelm_85
Gold Member
LOL, it's the only proper way to engage with media.
Don't try to conform your tastes to what other people tell you is or isn't "good."
consoul
Member
OK, so I'm currently trying to speedrun this with no healing & no blood collector.
Just after the helicopter crash, the cutscene shows Leon pick up the Classic 70 sniper rifle and look through the scope at Grace escaping the chopper wreck. Gameplay begins, I vault through the window, run across the rooftops to start covering Grace.
I try to pull out my rifle. It's not fucking there. You magically don't have it now. I run back to the nearby shop box (that spawns in that area in NG) because I apparently have to BUY it and the game won't even let me use the box, saying "Now's not the time for that" because Grace is under attack and I have no weapon to protect her. Grace dies.
FML.
Also, while I'm criticizing, I have a nitpick: the (Outbreak Easter egg) Zoo Tickets in JoJo's locker in the RPD have a blue Post It flag stuck in the back with a note from Barry. Post It Notes existed in 1988, but those little sticky tags didn't until the 2000s.
Just after the helicopter crash, the cutscene shows Leon pick up the Classic 70 sniper rifle and look through the scope at Grace escaping the chopper wreck. Gameplay begins, I vault through the window, run across the rooftops to start covering Grace.
I try to pull out my rifle. It's not fucking there. You magically don't have it now. I run back to the nearby shop box (that spawns in that area in NG) because I apparently have to BUY it and the game won't even let me use the box, saying "Now's not the time for that" because Grace is under attack and I have no weapon to protect her. Grace dies.
FML.
Also, while I'm criticizing, I have a nitpick: the (Outbreak Easter egg) Zoo Tickets in JoJo's locker in the RPD have a blue Post It flag stuck in the back with a note from Barry. Post It Notes existed in 1988, but those little sticky tags didn't until the 2000s.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Try reloading the second newest autosave - you should be able to buy from the box before you trigger the spawn.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Yeah the NG+ system in this game is pretty bad compared to RE4R where weapons and their upgrades, currency, items(except key items) all carried over and you had a storage box(which Leon doesn't have at all in RE9) to store any excess stuff. Probably because if you had a proper NG+ you wouldn't have anything to spend the money on besides ammo and Body Armor repairs if needed.
Lots of goofy design philosophy decisions in the game.
Lots of goofy design philosophy decisions in the game.
Itchy.Tasty.
Member
The story would've worked better if Oswell created Elpis out of selfishness instead of repentance. His entire life pursuit was to achieve immortality or a God-like status but he never succeeded, so in the last few decades of his life he designs an anti-virus as a sort of "doomsday device". His mentality is "If I can't achieve it then NO ONE can", and he wants Elpis to be released to demolish all the progress that has been made in the field. A purely bitter act.
It still keeps the overall story intact without the silliness of trying to make us warm up to the guy who is irredeemably evil.
It still keeps the overall story intact without the silliness of trying to make us warm up to the guy who is irredeemably evil.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Yeah the replay / New game situation with this one is depressing for sure.
Lokaum D+
Member
And it would be awesome if existed only one sample of Elpis, or they use it on Leon to save him or they use it to make more ( Marvel Spider Man situation ), it would be awesome to have consequences in a RE game.
calistan
Member
Finally beat it. About 12.5 hours according to the save file, or 17 hours according to Steam (deaths and restarts). Great game, and I'll definitely replay it.
That braille 'puzzle' has to be the most retarded thing in Resi history, though. Grace is definitely a 'special' agent if she sees a cypher with just a handful of possibile combinations, and instead of spending 30 seconds to solve it, decides it can only be done by dragging a blind child through a den of monsters.
If only there was an ending where she got fired for incompetence (and for being unable to run faster than a Parkinson's shuffle).
That braille 'puzzle' has to be the most retarded thing in Resi history, though. Grace is definitely a 'special' agent if she sees a cypher with just a handful of possibile combinations, and instead of spending 30 seconds to solve it, decides it can only be done by dragging a blind child through a den of monsters.
If only there was an ending where she got fired for incompetence (and for being unable to run faster than a Parkinson's shuffle).
Nocty
Currently Steaming
Yeah it's retarded but it's fucking Resident Evil brother, it's hardly been a literary masterpiece ever.
I'm here to blast zombies and crack dad jokes, whcih it delivers in spades.
Memati187
Member
I just replayed the last of us 1 on ps5 and that game blows re9 out of the water imo. It flows better and graphic fidelity is definitely better.
Now if they can build on re9 with dlcs like they did with re7, which is the best in that regard, then it may reach upper tier. As of yet, it's just an unfinished product.
Now if they can build on re9 with dlcs like they did with re7, which is the best in that regard, then it may reach upper tier. As of yet, it's just an unfinished product.
Reizo Ryuu
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She's not any kind of agent.
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