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[ResilientBanana]

Undeniably most people disagree with that

People don't like the fact it's done with AI and are shitting on it because they can't get past that fact for the sake of Art.

 

[Represent.]

Before 2019: Ok team, we have to optimize the game or it will run like shit!
Between 2019 and 2025: Ok team, AI will make the game run good, i don't care about performance, but we still need to make good textures, mesh and models.
Starting from 2026: Ok team, fuck optimization, textures, and geomtry, Just develop a cheap basic character model, something like a mannequin, AI will make it looks good.


Gaming is doomed

Complete doomer nonsense.

Studios spend years obsessing over optimization, dragging development cycles to 6–7 years, shipping games with ugly textures anyway, and even wasting time remaking games that are barely four years old. It's ridiculous.

When technology shows up that makes things like optimization and visual fidelity easier to achieve, you use it. Not using it is just dumb.

If developers have any sense, they'll embrace it and shift their time toward actual gameplay innovation. Better physics, deeper systems, real destruction, rather than spending years trying to polish an ugly turd of a game that will still end up ugly.

This is literally the best thing to happen in gaming since I cant even remember.

 

[analog_future]

Try turning your light on at night in a dark room. It looks different, and I'll give you a clue why: it isn't because everything in the room suddenly transformed into different things.

Dude you're embarrassing yourself. You literally couldn't be more wrong here.

 

[Guilty_AI]

There's no way you can prefer the first image from this comparison

The first image is so flat and pale it's unreal - she looks like a porcelain doll.

The problem i particularly have is because i've seen so much AI images/videos around the internet, my brain just can't help but associate all of it's telltale signs with low-quality, low-effort stuff.

I don't feel like i'm looking at a videogame image, i feel like i'm watching a youtube short where epstein and diddy are about to have a dragon-ball level fight. To put in another way, if this had been show to me 5 years ago, before AI generation became know as AI slop and was basically everywhere, i would've been blown away.

But now it just looks like more AI slop.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

I think it all mostly looks fucking fantastic. People are just mad because AI. I keep seeing all this "yassification" of Grace Ashcroft as if she wasn't a 20s blue eyed blonde to begin with. Nobody was bitching about that though?

 

[onQ123]

Star Wars Outlaws needs this

Of course I have a post for that

Post in thread 'Watching people pretend like they're being deprived of hot women in good video games nowadays is kinda weird to me' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/watc...s-is-kinda-weird-to-me.1691812/post-271139145

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

They need to make it look more organic cause right now the Leon and Grace faces look like those basic A.I video meme on youtube. I guess eventually they'll make it more organic and animated more properly. Once they do that than more people will start being into it cause at the moment no interest but I guess it does have potential if I'm being honest. Been watching a bunch of those fun A.I vid like the Jetsons as a 80s, Resident Evil as a 80s, Zelda as a 80s dark fantasy setting, etc etc. And some of those are better done than others. So in the future with some improvements it'll be better. And hopefully by that time probably at least pass 2030, most of the cards able to do this would be sold at a consumer friendly price.

For me I just bought a new PC in December so I won't be getting a new PC until at least the RTX 8000 series. This A.I thing should be way better by then and hopefully a more fair price for the RTX 8000 series to pair with it. Going for another Mircocenter pre built again.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Try turning your light on at night in a dark room. It looks different, and I'll give you a clue why: it isn't because everything in the room suddenly transformed into different things.

Holy shit I'm not turning the lights off ever again.

 

[bender]

• Some are being extreme contrarians
• Some are actually liking what they see here (your marathon analogy)
• Some are only basing their opinions on whether or not another group likes it or hates it (the zero-stancers)

But do any of them enjoy Marathon?

 

[adamsapple]

Of course I have a post for that

Post in thread 'Watching people pretend like they're being deprived of hot women in good video games nowadays is kinda weird to me' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/watc...s-is-kinda-weird-to-me.1691812/post-271139145

i kid i kid

 

[T4keD0wN]

So because of better lightning her lips are thicker and juicier hmm yes I understand now

Its all making sense

It doesnt change the models in any way according to Nvidia, it changes (upgrades) materials and lighting, in addition to subsufrace scattering.

The lighting itself can make the model appear different, even though it isnt. Lips look different as a result of material roughness being higher. I am not smart enough to explain how reflections and roughness are tied together, but thats what should be different.

 

[Laptop1991]

Really impressive from the DF video i saw, but i'm wondering what the performance cost will be in games, i hope Nvidia keep that down, but what they have shown looks great.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

We need a DLSS5 version of this meme

No, that's perfect.

 

[Larxia]

I hate to break it to you but games aren't real.

The work put behind it is, there was a moment when someone thought about how to create a specific thing, worked on it and created that. It's very different from AI generating something. There is a thought process, an intent, art decisions.
That's what makes it real, what makes it art.

 

[Stafford]

 

[Guilty_AI]

Starting from 2026: Ok team, fuck optimization, fuck textures, fuck 3D model, just develop a cheap basic character model, something like a mannequin, AI will make it run and looks good.

I half hope for this. All the devs just saying fuck to graphics and developing low-poly games with low-res textures and letting AI handle realistic imagery.

That way i can just leave DLSS 5 off and enjoy me some low-tech look just the way i like it. Of course, game would still need good artistic direction, but from what i'm seeing this tech can't do this for them.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Yes. The AI reconstruction uses the underlying information to inform its interpretation. As long as the underlying information for a given object doesn't change, the reconstruction will be identical every time.

I don't know man. You can give an AI a prompt multiple times and the result won't always be the same. Could imagine being the same case here, specially since "as the underlying information for a given object doesn't change" is just impossible. Characters move around, the lighting changes, the wather changes, fog, shadows, particles near them and what-not. Keeping those AI reconstructions stable must be an engineerning nightmare.

nope it won't.

it already uses a shit load of memory, if you wanted to make it consistent you'd literally have to keep previous generation in memory and even save it into storage.

this will literally look different every time you start the game, or just open the menu and close it again.

Yeah that would be a big problem. Imagine you are playing a long RPG and characters start looking different as the game goes on, that would take me out of the game completely.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Yes. The AI reconstruction uses the underlying information to inform its interpretation. As long as the underlying information for a given object doesn't change, the reconstruction will be identical every time.

hopefully this is the case...

 

[The Cockatrice]

Holy FUCKKKKK

Yeah, keep crying about Ai Slop.

Ai can give me that AI SLOPPY TOPPY

we have achieved fucking concept art quality visiuals in real time.

fuck you

the art looks the exact same, just fucking better. fuck off.

I have never seen someone eat shit as much as you just did. Truly impressive.

 

[Itchy Tickles]

Have they posted images using DLSS 4 or 4.5 vs 5 so we can see the real difference? Apart from a marketing sense, using extreme ends can be dramatic, but I'd like to see some real life comparisons. I know the new DLSS 5 has some new add ons in it so maybe it won't matter, just curious.

 

[poppabk]

Any art form is not real then

Are paintings real?

Are movies real?

Is music real?

Is theater real?

But guess what: they are what they are are because they are made by individual human beings that cannot be replicated in any way....

This is the opposite of that

Yes those are 'real'. Games are code. The code generates the images. They can be Art but they aren't real.

 

[spons]

I suppose this isn't a DLSS 5 OT, so I can speak freely, and I will: all of this looks like utter dogshit.

It's like any random dude's face becomes my avatar.

 

[Represent.]

None of you can gaslight me into believing the AI slop filter on the right looks better. And the rest of the internet agrees with me

it objectively looks better.

And nothing about the art is changed.

You guys are just hating because its AI. Not because it looks worse.

If it looked the EXACT same, but took 15 years to make because it was hand crafted, you'd say it looks amazing.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

This could be really good depending on how devs implement

 

[Shifty1897]

Fuck Nvidia.

 

[poppabk]

The work put behind it is, there was a moment when someone thought about how to create a specific thing, worked on it and created that. It's very different from AI generating something. There is a thought process, an intent, art decisions.
That's what makes it real, what makes it art.

And when someone puts in the effort to tailor this filter to create a specific look - that also applies.

 

[Esquie]

Todd agrees that it's amazing with Starfield, and he's right. Starfield (and FIFA) are the best examples so far, they look incredible with this on.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Yes those are 'real'. Games are code. The code generates the images. They can be Art but they aren't real.

So you mean to tell me Brad Pitt driving a F1 car at 63 years old was real?

Amazing....

 

[Jam Dingo]

Dude you're embarrassing yourself. You literally couldn't be more wrong here.

Wtf are you talking about?

 

[Xaeroxcore666]

The problem i particularly have is because i've seen so much AI images/videos around the internet, my brain just can't help but associate all of it's telltale signs with low-quality, low-effort stuff.

I don't feel like i'm looking at a videogame image, i feel like i'm watching a youtube short where epstein and diddy are about to have a dragon-ball level fight. To put in another way, if this had been show to me 5 years ago, before AI generation became know as AI slop and was basically everywhere, i would've been blown away.

But now it just looks like more AI slop.

EXACTLY THIS!

 

[64gigabyteram]

Stop being disingenuous...

Artistic intent doesn't have to be trying to make something look beautiful. It's simply the intent of what the artists tried to convey using their resources.

If you make a model of a child, the artistic intent is for the character to look like a child. If you ran it through DLSS5 and it make the character look like a young adult, congratulations the AI has butchered the artistic intent. This is not hard to find out.

to clarify, i am agreeing with you

 

[General Lee]

Here's the direct comparison of the Grace pic on Nvidia's site: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...equiem-geforce-rtx-comparison-screenshot-001/

It looks like the pics are taken in slightly different positions, so her lips looking larger in the DLSS5 version seem to be just her mouth being slightly more open, not a sign that the model geometry has been changed. The main differences come from lighting, and the more detailed skin texture and subsurface scattering. Even when comparing non-RT/RT/Path Tracing her face looks substantially different depending on the lighting.

Radical lighting changes like this can certainly have an effect on the "look" of characters that might not have been intended when they were designed for a simpler setup. People just got used to how Grace is "supposed to" look, so they naturally feel the face is off despite the model being identical.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

Here is the real life face model (Julia Pratt; literal supermodel) for Grace Ashcroft btw:

 

[bender]

Todd agrees that it's amazing with Starfield, and he's right. Starfield (and FIFA) are the best examples so far, they look incredible with this on.

We have such a rich history of pushing graphics...

 

[s_mirage]

Is this going to be able to "remember" the last AI reconstruction? Or are characters going to look different every time I turn the camera towards them?

Really impressive from the DF video i saw, but i'm wondering what the performance cost will be in games, i hope Nvidia keep that down, but what they have shown looks great.

These are my two major concerns with it. AI generation tends to be quite heavy on VRAM too.

If it's 5-series exclusive I can't use it anyway, and I'm not planning on upgrading anytime soon.

 

[onQ123]

This was actually kinda ugly compared to how I believed ML rendering would look but this is a hybrid approach

 

[Celcius]

I'm glad this AI stuff wasn't around back in the days of 2D gaming

 

[March Climber]

Here's the direct comparison of the Grace pic on Nvidia's site: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...equiem-geforce-rtx-comparison-screenshot-001/

It looks like the pics are taken in slightly different positions, so her lips looking larger in the DLSS5 version seem to be just her mouth being slightly more open, not a sign that the model geometry has been changed. The main differences come from lighting, and the more detailed skin texture and subsurface scattering. Even when comparing non-RT/RT/Path Tracing her face looks substantially different depending on the lighting.

Radical lighting changes like this can certainly have an effect on the "look" of characters that might not have been intended when they were designed for a simpler setup. People just got used to how Grace is "supposed to" look, so they naturally feel the face is off despite the model being identical.

This is disengenuous. Zoom in.

It's not just her mouth, her eyes are also larger and shaped differently and her jawline has changed as well.

 

[cripterion]

Goddamn I could see this spruce up several games, curious to see how and older game like Black Desert would look like with it and more graphics heavy game like CP 2077 too.

 

[bender]

I'm glad this AI stuff wasn't around back in the days of 2D gaming

The reaction here sort of reminds me of some of the 2D upscalers that gained popularity ~10 years ago.

 

[Laptop1991]

These are my two major concerns with it. AI generation tends to be quite heavy on VRAM too.

If it's 5-series exclusive I can't use it anyway, and I'm not planning on upgrading anytime soon.

Yeah, true, even though i have a 5 series card, i don't want it running at max constantly just to use DLSS 5, but i like what i've seen so far.

 

[64gigabyteram]

 

[mdkirby]

I'm starting to think a huge number of people's brains have been literally broken by some sort of psyop to have a Pavlovian reaction anything ai that literally stops their brains working and forces the tiresome "ahhregh ai slop, slop slop" to just slop out their mouths.

It's all very strange.

 

[clarky]

This is like the Marathon players coming into the CCU thread saying they are really enjoying themselves and we should shut up about the CCU

Ill take shit that never happened for ten please Bob.

 

[General Lee]

This is disengenuous. Zoom in.

It's not just her mouth, her eyes are also larger and shaped differently and her jawline has changed as well.

It's just a slightly different angle. Mouth a little more open, eyes a little more open, looking to a different direction. You gotta do the zooming yourself.

 

[spons]

Todd agrees that it's amazing with Starfield, and he's right. Starfield (and FIFA) are the best examples so far, they look incredible with this on.

What's Morrowind's water rendering got to do with this AI shit? Come on man.
And "we can't wait for you to play/enjoy/experience this" is such pathetic marketing bullshit.
I'm so glad people see through this obvious nonsense.

 

[64gigabyteram]

 

[spons]

I'm starting to think a huge number of people's brains have been literally broken by some sort of psyop to have a Pavlovian reaction anything ai that literally stops their brains working and forces the tiresome "ahhregh ai slop, slop slop" to just slop out their mouths.

It's all very strange.

I don't care whether this has been AI rendered or done by hamsters running in wheels. It looks like fucking shit.
It absolutely doesn't matter how this is created, it matters that it's poorly done.

 

[March Climber]

It's just a slightly different angle. Mouth a little more open, eyes a little more open, looking to a different direction. You gotta do the zooming yourself.

It doesn't explain the eyeshape itself and jawline. Your argument would be better off if you simply said 'this tech is still early in development so some things might appear altered'.

 

[Bitstream]

NVidia is basically delivering the BluePoint remake version of these games with DLSS5. Whether or not it accurately captures the true spirit of the original source material, there's definitely some impressive technical uplift.