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[Zannegan]

If game companies listened to gamerrrrrz every time, we'd still be playing Super Mario World.

This sounds like the talk that surrounded Peter Jackson's high frame rate experiments in cinemas. "I know you THINK it looks worse, but it actually looks better if you know enough to know it looks better."

This is just a billionaire looking for another revenue stream/use case for his tech. This isn't something you have to be an expert or visionary to see, and it really doesn't matter if the underlying tech is impressive if the end result looks ugly. If it looks bad to consumers, it looks bad. It's up to NVidia to make it decent.

 

[T4keD0wN]

Like the part where he says devs can work around and fine tune it so it doesn't just look like a generic AI filter over everything, yet doesn't mention how much development time and effort is going to be required of devs to do that, I somehow doubt quick ports of games on PC are going to take the time to make it so it doesn't look like that if you turn it on.

The way i understood it is that its just an extra plugin to be implemented through streamline just like upscaling, framegen and reflex are now. Should be very easy to implement and use for just about all recent games and upcoming, possible support is huge if devs actually want to use it.

 

[MMaRsu]

Most gamers don't give a shit

As evidenced by the massive negative feedback

 

[Moondoggy]

The way i understood it is that its just an extra plugin to be implemented through streamline just like upscaling, framegen and reflex are now. Should be very easy to implement and use for just about all recent games and upcoming, possible support is huge if devs actually want to use it.

Hope so, but it's wouldn't first time one of their features caused problems with development, hopefully that's not the case here.

 

[K' Dash]

the tech is impressive, they just need to adjust it

Also, this thing needs two 5090s to run, its going to be a while before we see it working with one GPU.

 

[The Cockatrice]

I lived to see a passionate man giving great gpus to people slowly turning into a villain over decades. What a life.

 

[Mr Moose]

DLSS 5 fuses controllability of the of geometry and textures and everything about the game with generative AI

But it's just lighting!

AI slop.

 

[bender]

What does an AI company know about gaming?

 

[DryvBy]

They're wrong by using these stupid excuses that it ruins the artistic expression or whatever nonsense, yet then they mod games with better graphics or add Shrek as a bad guy to Resident Evil.

A better reason to hate it is it's just ugly and using too much power for the ugly.

 

[Yoshichan]

I own around 450 shares of nvidia

Also,

Fuck Nvidia

 

[Celcius]

 

[Griffon]

Yeah... I mean the bluesky backlash is dumb (like they always are). But honestly the tech isn't ready yet, and it won't be ready for a long ass time.

 

[Ge Os]

The idea of enhanced backgrounds and lighting is great. DLSS is just black magic that makes games run better when you don't have the specs to run them at native resolutions. But the idea of making every character look like a deep fake AI slop copy of a human is just a big no.

Let's just keep the enhanced backgrounds and lighting, that's cool (when it works).

 

[near]

Based Max.

 

[KeplerL2]

DLSS upscaling fills in the blanks to create detail that isn't there ("4K DLSSQ looks better than native guys!!!"). Ray Reconstruction is the same (lol, we were just jizzing over the Crimson Desert footage).

ML upscaling/denoising replaces standard interpolation algorithms with something that can (somewhat) understand what it's trying to render.

But now people are mad that it's being used to add more detail to characters?

Because DLSS 5 is completely removing the original pixels and replacing them with what the AI model thinks looks "photorealistic" (which seems to be Instagram models and cool-toned blown-out HDR lighting)

It's retarded, but it also reminds me of how people treated DLSS1 or RT early on.

DLSS 1 was garbage and NVIDIA abandoned it almost instantly. Early RT implementations were also pretty bad and usually looked the same or worse than raster with terrible performance.

 

[Polaris]

Most gamers don't give a shit. If it looks better people will enable it.

It's because of comments like this that I don't put all of the blame on corporations for the state of the industry.
Gamers truly deserve what they get.

 

[Kuranghi]

If its so tuned into the geometry of these game engines then I'd like them to show an example where the character turns away from the screen and back without the face morphing or changing like an instagram filter.

Even with graphical features that use camera/player perspective to fake geometry complexity (e.g. parallax occlusion mapping) that are tied to the core of game engines have artifacts when they get challenged by other parts of the engine or acute angles.

Based Max.

"I deeply emphasise with people..."

Anyway, the problem is most people don't care about the journey, they care about the end result, the average person loves ultra high contrast reshade filters and Vivid/Dyanmic picture modes & maximum motion smoothing in TVs.

You have most people now just taking google search AI answers as truth without even processing that theres massive contradictions in the answer. They just read it and go: Thats the answer.

I asked google yesterday when it thought the "Switch 2 successor" would come out and no matter how many time I rephrased the question it kept just talking about the Switch 2, saying things like "It will come out in late 2025, midway through the PS6 cycle", because that PS6 bit was a part of my question.

Even if this is going to have the mad artifacts of video filters and the general AI sloppy look people will love it, they want to see "perfect" overtuned bullshit that makes no sense when you consider it for a second because they don't want to think at all.

I hate this in its current form.

They are not passionate about the hobby. They just consume and that is literally all they care about, their next dopamine hit

The average person is probably an idiot

Bingo.

 

[MMaRsu]

It's because of comments like this that I don't put all of the blame on corporations for the state of the industry.
Gamers truly deserve what they get.

They are not passionate about the hobby. They just consume and that is literally all they care about, their next dopamine hit

 

[MMaRsu]

the average person loves ultra high contrast reshade filters and Vivid/Dyanmic picture modes & maximum motion smoothing in TVs.

The average person is probably an idiot

 

[Venom Snake]

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

Why are these ceos so shocked when none of us wanna buy this shit?

None? go check the poll results in the thread asking if you like the technology or not.

 

[Madflavor]

None? go check the poll results in the thread asking if you like the technology or not.

You mean the poll with 700 votes total? We're talking 40% in favor of this and Gaf is still an outlier in that regard. You look everywhere else like Youtube comments and like/dislike ratios, reddit threads, other forums, twitter, etc, it's all very negative. The largest poll I've come across with 17k votes has 60% of people hating DLSS 5, 26% saying they're not sure, 8% thinking it's somewhat good, and only 6% outright liking it.

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

You mean the poll with 700 votes total? We're talking 40% in favor of this and Gaf is still an outlier in that regard. You look everywhere else like Youtube comments and like/dislike ratios, reddit threads, other forums, twitter, etc, it's all very negative. The largest poll I've come across with 17k votes has 60% of people hating DLSS 5, 26% saying they're not sure, 8% thinking it's somewhat good, and only 6% outright liking it.

My algorithm is completely different than yours. You're captured in a negative algorithm obviously and I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum being fed praise. I'm seeing excitement and wonder regarding it, the very same way I am feeling towards it myself. Exciting times regardless of where you land on this.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Most gamers don't give a shit. If it looks better people will enable it.

FWIW most gamers can't afford hardware to do this. At the rate the industry is going we won't see mainstream adoption of this like current DLSS for at least seven years.

 

[MMaRsu]

My algorithm is completely different than yours. You're captured in a negative algorithm obviously and I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum being fed praise. I'm seeing excitement and wonder regarding it, the very same way I am feeling towards it myself. Exciting times regardless of where you land on this.

Ah good so you're just a troll, good to know

 

[kazuyamishima]

 

[Arsic]

Based Max.

Ah yes I too love to listen to chigger chagger dagger Max. A source of infinite wisdom.

Also, wait until we see it used by Capcom themselves IMO. Could it be good if done right? Yes. If it ends up being whack then devs won't mess with it.

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

Ah good so you're just a troll, good to know

How do you figure? People are claiming that everyone hates the tech, I'm saying that is not true. I don't understand why this is hard to compute for you guys.
This new A.I. Derangement Syndrome is hilarious.

 

[Madflavor]

My algorithm is completely different than yours. You're captured in a negative algorithm obviously and I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum being fed praise. I'm seeing excitement and wonder regarding it, the very same way I am feeling towards it myself. Exciting times regardless of where you land on this.

I mentioned things other than Twitter though. They don't hide positive feedback from me.

I don't see how technology that makes character models look Uncanny Valley, fill in gaps that aren't there, and gives them all that same AI Human look, to be exciting times. Especially when it requires very powerful hardware to run that is well beyond most people's budget.

How do you figure? People are claiming that everyone hates the tech, I'm saying that is not true. I don't understand why this is hard to compute for you guys.

When people say "no one likes this" they generally don't mean 0.0% of people. Of course there will always be different opinions. Some people like Yoko Ono.

 

[nemiroff]

Why are these ceos so shocked when none of us wanna buy this shit?

You're absolutely right, "none of us" are going to buy this, because DLSS5 is for developers to implement just like any other developer tool.

If you think FromSoftware is just going to slap "this" onto their games with all the AI settings cranked up to "delete all art and replace with DLSS5 AI faces" you're fucking delusional.

It's honestly astounding how far too many brains are utterly broken around this subject.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I blame the shills that keep buying Nvidia GPUs for this.

 

[Grenseal]

It's amazing how we're always told that we're wrong by these corporate asshats, journalist hacks, and cry bully developer activists, yet we are the ones who they depend on, we who they think owe them something, whether money, time, or validation.

Read the room dude, this shit is not ready for prime time. Sorry you blew smoke up your shareholders/investors' asses about how everyone would love this garbage.

 

[yogaflame]

The tech is impressive. Excellent lighting on the character and great textures.

 

[HallowedFeast]

The only thing this situation is telling me is that GAF is filled with idiots who click on YouTube adverts for shitty AI filters.

 

[nemiroff]

The tech is impressive. Excellent lighting on the character and great textures.

Uh-oh, the kind of shit you're summoning with that post... Better call Diane at once...

 

[xenosys]

They're a trillion dollar company that have pumped billions into AI. Of course he's going to go balls deep on this and triple down on it because the stock number needs to keep going up. The shareholders demand it.

Not that I agree with this POS, but the gaming division is loose change to Nvidia now.

 

[PauloRoberto]

DLSS (super-slop) shills and zealots, exactly what we needed...

 

[proandrad]

As evidenced by the massive negative feedback

Anything AI related gets massive negative feedback whether its good or bad nowadays. People turned on Expedition 33 the moment they found out it used AI just for placeholder texture before the final version of the game. A large portion of people are hating on it only because it's AI. If you took a Cyberpunk 2077 path tracing ss and said it was using DLSS 5 people would pretend it looks like trash just to hate. Every time Nvidia expands DLSS to something new there is massive negative feedback before people even get to use it. Resolution upscaling was shit on and so was frame generation. They are both widely used more and more with every update.

 

[seb85]

I don't understand why they are calling it DLSS 5 , This is doing something completely different

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

DLSS 5 is the most obnoxious thing I saw in years.. if I was an artist I would feel sick of my stomach looking at that shit…

 

[BacklashWave534]

It's just a bit too agressive for my taste though i'm sure they will fix it at some point. I'll turn it on if it looks good otherwise it can stay off.

 

[cripterion]

Ofcourse he would say that. He wants everybody to purchase a 5090 or 6000 series.

People will buy their cards, no matter what he says. And as we've seen the company doesn't need "gamers" to grow.
As a matter of fact I remember the gamers crying when Nvidia GPU focus left gaming and we started lacking cards for gaming rigs.

All this drama just reminds me of this :

 

[readonly]

Based Max.

I agree with what he's saying but honestly I think this will quickly become a lot of people's existential crisis when they realize but won't admit that art, music, movies, robots that AI can do everything humans can but better.

 

[Bulletbrain]

Sure they might be able to "fine tune" it, but it's still generative AI. The actual creation is still not something done by the developers. Just prompted by them.

To play devil's advocate. Say you are trying to draw something, let's say a tree. First you imagine what you are trying to draw in your mind. And then your mind guides (prompts?) your hand to draw it. Most of the time it won't exactly match what you had in your mind...maybe you envisioned a tree with many many branches..but the actual drawing won't have as many. You will still draw a tree, and the key features of the tree will match what you had in mind...but each time you you imagine and draw a tree (the same type of tree even..) the output will be different.

If the same person enters a detailed prompt on a gen AI and create a tree that he imagined..I would still argue it's "his" creation.

Now, the argument for the value of "skill" on display is the more pertinant question. An actual artist will be the product of years of practice, hard work and dedication. There is a value attended to it. And that value is indeed lost due to gen AI.

True skill is often rendered outdated by technology however. Anytime we buy machine stitched shoe over a hand made one by the local cobbler. Anytime we buy a mass produced loaf of bread over the one made that morning by the local baker...

Just my view.

 

[proandrad]

I agree with what he's saying but honestly I think this will quickly become a lot of people's existential crisis when they realize but won't admit that art, music, movies, robots that AI can do everything humans can but better.

The tech is insane, used correctly it's going to deliver the generational graphic leap everyone has been bitching about for years. It's going to be like plastic surgery, you could either get a massive upgrade like Kylie Jenner or it can be a complete shit show like Michael Jackson.

 

[Wilhelm_85]

True skill is often rendered outdated by technology however. Anytime we buy machine stitched shoe over a hand made one by the local cobbler. Anytime we buy a mass produced loaf of bread over the one made that morning by the local baker...

I disagree that true skill is ever outdated. Quality, intent, and craftsmanship are important. There's a reason we all call it AI slop and why people criticize garbage that is thrown together in UE5.

 

[OGM_Madness]

A lot have been said about this topic, but I still feel very conflicted. On one end, yes, the image looks sloppy, as if someone turned a Snapchat filter on their phone and recorded a video of the TV. But on the other hand, I got a weird feeling of uncanny, like this is the first time in 20 years that I felt a new jump in generations, like the jump from 2D to 3D or from 480p to 1080p. It kind of falls apart on the faces, sure, but where people see the beauty AI slop filters, I see the FMVs of the games I played when I was a kid.

The fact NVIDIA is moving forward with this means that they trust it. Maybe we won't see it fully realized until DLSS6 or 7, but if I see gameplay with this on then maybe we can actually see if it's effective.

I think NVIDIA's mistake was starting the showcase with Grace's face, because I think that's the worst offender (she simply doesn't look like Grace anymore).

 

[MMaRsu]

People will buy their cards, no matter what he says. And as we've seen the company doesn't need "gamers" to grow.
As a matter of fact I remember the gamers crying when Nvidia GPU focus left gaming and we started lacking cards for gaming rigs.

All this drama just reminds me of this :

Nice that the picture is cut off at the bottom not revealing the pages and pages of people not playing MW2

But sure, this is exactly the same and just a minor drop in the water, totally not the endgame of the AI corporation trying to sell you graphics cards

 

[MMaRsu]

I agree with what he's saying but honestly I think this will quickly become a lot of people's existential crisis when they realize but won't admit that art, music, movies, robots that AI can do everything humans can but better.

People like you deserve AI and the slop it produces

Holy fuck man, are you saying Ai can make something better than the fucking Mona Lisa or Van Gogh's paintings?

You know AI is trained on existing data right? And that it literally cannot create something from nothing?

 

[Zacfoldor]

Yeah, this is exactly what I said.

It's mind-blowing tech and it's pretty lame to pretend not to see the potential.