Crispy Gamer
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There's absolutely nothing like Destiny 2 I miss it as well
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I miss Destiny 2
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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Played destiny 1/2 a crap ton. I do not understand the comparisons to marathon at all.
I bounced off of the 'thon after 30 hours or so gave me no destiny vibes at all.
Get gud scrub…sure…sure…but it feels nothing like destiny to me from a gameplay loop. TTK is minuscule compared to to destiny, team/squad play is 1000% mandatory (imo), and character progression feels completely skill based at best and RNG (am I going to get a good squad?!?!) at worst.
I guess it's for some folks but a Destiny-like it is not.
I think that's why marathon is struggling…I mistakingly thought it was the next evolution of destiny, to me it is a completely different game and I dropped it pretty quick.
I have to imagine people who were looking for fps/rpg felt/fell the same?!
I bounced off of the 'thon after 30 hours or so gave me no destiny vibes at all.
Get gud scrub…sure…sure…but it feels nothing like destiny to me from a gameplay loop. TTK is minuscule compared to to destiny, team/squad play is 1000% mandatory (imo), and character progression feels completely skill based at best and RNG (am I going to get a good squad?!?!) at worst.
I guess it's for some folks but a Destiny-like it is not.
I think that's why marathon is struggling…I mistakingly thought it was the next evolution of destiny, to me it is a completely different game and I dropped it pretty quick.
I have to imagine people who were looking for fps/rpg felt/fell the same?!
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havoc00
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I just started playing it again, gunplay is still superb
Hollywood Hitman
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To the guys that enjoy marathon I say that's good you found the joy, when a game works for ya it just works.
But, other than it having guns and being made by bungie there's nothing remotely close to it similar and or a void filler of Destiny. It just isn't, I know guys have more hours than I do but as a person that lived destiny for about 10 years I clamor for anything remotely similar, and that game isn't it. The whole premise isn't even in the same universe as destiny, I mean enjoy the game no qualms here but that's not even realistic to compare these two games, not even in the slightest of ways outside of guns. Just sayin.
But, other than it having guns and being made by bungie there's nothing remotely close to it similar and or a void filler of Destiny. It just isn't, I know guys have more hours than I do but as a person that lived destiny for about 10 years I clamor for anything remotely similar, and that game isn't it. The whole premise isn't even in the same universe as destiny, I mean enjoy the game no qualms here but that's not even realistic to compare these two games, not even in the slightest of ways outside of guns. Just sayin.
//DEVIL//
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All the Micro transacations is what killed it.
And the fact that they couldn't do proper LFG to do raids, you still had to go to different sites to look for groups to play with you. And if you didn't join the raids early on, no one will want to play with you. That isn't fun.
Destiny 1 had the same issues. but at least the Raid was really amazing. Not to mention one would have forgiven the devs since it was the first game and they were trying something new.
Then they killed the most lovable character in the game, just to bring him later, maybe as a ghost or whatever that thing was (didn't even bother to know the whole thing anymore i lost interest at that point )
And the fact that they couldn't do proper LFG to do raids, you still had to go to different sites to look for groups to play with you. And if you didn't join the raids early on, no one will want to play with you. That isn't fun.
Destiny 1 had the same issues. but at least the Raid was really amazing. Not to mention one would have forgiven the devs since it was the first game and they were trying something new.
Then they killed the most lovable character in the game, just to bring him later, maybe as a ghost or whatever that thing was (didn't even bother to know the whole thing anymore i lost interest at that point )
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
This is horse shit. Again we get you're pissed Bungie didn't make Destiny 3. I'm sure you'll get it eventually.
But Marathon has Destiny DNA all over it and not just in really good gunplay.
Classes? Check
Deep Lore? Check
Intelligent AI to shoot at? Check
Factions to level? Check
RPG elements with skill trees? Check
Build crafting? Check
Rare and unique gear to find for dopamine? Check
Complex and challenging end game raid like map with a raid boss? Check
Leveling up and grinding pve/quests? Check
It doesn't have a traditional single player campaign, but still has cut scenes and quests to tell its story. It doesn't have secluded pve components, but that could always change in the future.
Yes it's an extraction shooter, yes it is PvP focused, yes it is a hard game, but it is absolutely Bungie DNA top to bottom.
Do yourself a favor and drop the $40, go play for 30-50 hours, and report back. The truth is you'll love it.
One of us…
Hollywood Hitman
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But all of those are just standard in alot of games, classes, builds, etc... These are all basics in most games. Its like saying dragon quest has classes, builds, lore, loot etc so it's just like destiny.
The core concept of losing your gear, is the absolute antithesis of Destiny. Destiny is about a continual build onward to your characters, acquiring more and more. The only thing can one can lose in destiny is time, failed raids or failed trials attempts, or maybe losing steadily in pvp etc... But while losing sucks it isn't a demoralizing situation.
I been thinking more about why tho despite it being an ugly ass game why I'm more hellbent against it and I think the reason I dislike extraction so much is because my other hobby is I gamble, alot.. Won alot of money but also have my share of losses. I gamble every day, and that's my risk reward in life. I play for hours and there's time I rack up a good bit and need to cash out but I'm a greedy fuck sometimes and lose it.
So I can't fit in my life 2 types of games where loss is a major possibility. So while I'm fine with hard games I just can only stand one element in life where there's a large risk reward, so I think that's why I just am no fan of extraction at all. But that to me is truly the antithesis of Destiny.
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Robot Carnival
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do I miss Destiny? yes I do. I was there from the start since the first Destiny. I had fun with it at launch but stopped due to lack of ways to get into teams for raid and harder content. but I returned around the time Taken King came out and grinded the hell outta it. got almost all raid exotics back then. then Destiny 2 came out and while I was not happy with the vault wipe, I kinda get it and kept playing. dropped it later on until it came out on Steam, and, well, the hours speaks for itself. I LOVE Destiny's main attraction, which IMO is the co-op raids. not a single game out on the market right now does that better. Destiny is alone at the peak in that department. and while I tend to not bother with day 1 raids due to not having a static team, I had still tried it a few times and it's a great experience if you're just there for the fun.
the flaw of Destiny was in it's story presentation and PvP. the story part, I know some folks might disagree, but it's just too... cumbersome, for lack of a better word. between the "live event" story moments and how they handle the storyline (I'm looking at you, Curse Of Osiris and Lightfall), Destiny's story had always suffered in the hands of it's creators. but for me at least, it is still decent enough to not get upset over it most of the time. as for PvP, while I general avoid it, I do from time to time grind it for loot. be it the regular Crucible, Iron Banner or Gambit. I had got to respectable rankings in these before and in fact, I feel Gambit could really become great if they somehow can make it work. but given the nature of the game, being a looter shooter and all, PvP was always going to suffer due to the difficulty in balance the increasing arsenal, gear and abilities. it is simply impossible to balance unless you somehow do some kind of a rotating gears that can be use in PvP with a set of always available gear and skills as the core. that's just me spitballing thou so don't mind me too much.
I had not played Destiny 2 since late 2024 I think. I still hop on from time to time to check things out when new stuff is here, but I feel with the conclusion of The Final Shape, I just don't have much motivation to keep playing. the new stuff just feels lacking in a way I don't know how to describe. and since I'm not that into Star Wars, the latest collab they got going on also doesn't tickle my fancy either. I'll still be there for any news and hopefully good content.
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clarky
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Sorry fella to say the only thing comparable is the guns just shows you don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you played the free weekend for a few hours then dumped it.
I played Destiny since the Alpha right through to The Final Shape and I've played a ludicrous amount of Marathon and im telling you, Destinys finger prints are all over it.
Arsic
points out how just above.Its a much better product that either D1 or D2 was at launch btw.
You folks who liked Destiny are missing out, big time.
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Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
You need to get over this idea that digital item in an extraction shooter are yours, not re earnable, etc.
You're just holding items for the next guy. All of us are.
The dopamine from wiping a squad to find a gold shield and gold gun is hype!
I have lost dozens of gold items in marathon and got them again. Easy come easy go.
The permanence is from leveling up, skill trees, factions, and of course the knowledge you keep amassing.
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Marathon isn't gambling lol. Are you pissed when you lose all your rings in Sonic? There's millions more just down the way.
Hollywood Hitman
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Haha, we just gotta come to terms that you/Arsic and myself will never ever agree on this so it's just moot my dude.I played Destiny since the Alpha right through to The Final Shape and I've played a ludicrous amount of Marathon and im telling you the Destinys finger prints are all over it.
Its a much better product that either D1 or D2 was at launch btw.
But I think more are in my boat on that sentiment so I'm confident in my position.
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clarky
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Only the ill informed are in your boat friend, but all good.We can lead a horse to water but we can't make him drink.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Time is time, my point is I gamble and it's high risk reward. Most of my games I'm not losing time, I play games that are a constant build. Souls games I do love but I don't fret losing souls.
Spending hours collecting gear in extraction is simply not anything I have room for.
clarky
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See right here, the game isnt about collecting gear in the slightest. Your looking at it from ten years of playing Destiny.
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Hollywood Hitman
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So what are you trying to extract, farts?
clarky
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Whatever you need to level up your factions. Which also happens passively if you fail.
It's a rogue lite crossed with Destiny.
Don't mention farts btw im sick of men in boxes banging on about farts in the OT.
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Guardian Monkey
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Bungie tried to Sunset gear multiple times in the fan base cried out. Instead they just nerfed everything. So pretty much the same thing happened again and again. Gjallahorn goes from Wolfpack rounds to wolfturd rounds. Etc etc. this just takes that process out the guns age out regardless as the meta changes. It's the same thing, you keep a gun in Destiny yes, but the gun you get originally and what it is a few years later are different things. This just avoids all that hassle.
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clarky
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Its just a very misunderstood game.
Bungies fault, the onboarding is almost as bad as Destiny's, almost.
Guardian Monkey
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It's just getting you into the game and action more quickly. The whole people are worried about losing their guns misses the whole point. The game is about the experience not the destination. We saw for ten years what happened when you kept changing the destination (ie new hotshot loot) eventually it ran dry. Exotics didn't feel special, they subsidized with class powers increasing. Everyone gets too powerful. Reset. Reset. Reset. All of this is already built into Marathon natively now. Once you change the perspective then it actually shows to be the better approach anyhow. No fomo, you don't really ever get behind. It just keeps looping, Destiny did the same thing, it was just wrapped around a nonsensical story that they were just pushing along as they went, not knowing where it was going to end till the last three or four years.
Hollywood Hitman
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But that's all part of Bungies downfall, d1 was great as guns were unique and different and exciting, in d2 they had many ups and downs but ultimately it started to go down and it's why I quit I couldn't waste anymore time in that world when so many great games were out and I didn't get to them.
Bungie is imo a shell of who they were.
But I go back to even the basics and that is the art direction, I absolutely hate it... So even if the gun play feels amazing, it doesn't move the needle.. I need cool aesthetics to really enjoy. Not all games but many games like Crimson desert, I make a character as an extension of myself in that world. Nothing in marathon makes me want that, at all.
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duck_sauce
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Please excuse my question, but what is the goal of marathon? Besides having fun of course ( that is subjective imo ).
Just leveling factions?
If I'm being really honest, a huge appeal of destiny 2 came from the cosmetics and besides gaining weapon variety the hidden endgame of destiny 2 was styling and perfecting your outfit and style. (At least for me).
Guardian Monkey
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Good thing it's a first person shooter. You aren't looking at yourself. If your really hate how they look wouldn't that be more encouraging for you to kill them!
Honestly I get it D1 was very raw looking part of that was artwork. Part of that was it was 1080p/30 sdr. It just had a more classic look. D2 was caught in the middle for too long and now we have what it is. Which is who the fuck knows, as soon as they mixed starwars I was like wtf they jumped the shark it's gone.
Marathon isn't made by the same team as the old halo devs for the most part and that's fine. New blood new ideas. They are taking the lessons of the old faults and are adapting. It's going to be different than Destiny 1 visually, but on a good oled with proper HDR the game fucking pops. I don't mind the designs I think the exaggerated character designs help for recognition from further away which class they are.
I think the game looks absolutely fantastic and you may think of a horrible and that's fine too, but you're right this isn't the same team that really did Halo and orginal destiny. I wouldn't expect much from destiny 3 being too close to the original as well so enjoy what you had. We aren't going back. As you said earlier a refresh of d1 would be welcome. But it would also show its age now. D2 came a long way in in gameplay, d1 will feel dated.
Guardian Monkey
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Im sure more customizations will come. The game just launched. Everyone looked the same during forever 33 in d1
Hollywood Hitman
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Oh yea man when they started doing star wars collabs I knew it was over lmao so cheesy, just cheapened the whole world but I was already out of there so I watched it from afar.Good thing it's a first person shooter. You aren't looking at yourself. If your really hate how they look wouldn't that be more encouraging for you to kill them!
Honestly I get it D1 was very raw looking part of that was artwork. Part of that was it was 1080p/30 sdr. It just had a more classic look. D2 was caught in the middle for too long and now we have what it is. Which is who the fuck knows, as soon as they mixed starwars I was like wtf they jumped the shark it's gone.
Marathon isn't made by the same team as the old halo devs for the most part and that's fine. New blood new ideas. They are taking the lessons of the old faults and are adapting. It's going to be different than Destiny 1 visually, but on a good oled with proper HDR the game fucking pops. I don't mind the designs I think the exaggerated character designs help for recognition from further away which class they are.
I think the game looks absolutely fantastic and you may think of a horrible and that's fine too, but you're right this isn't the same team that really did Halo and orginal destiny. I wouldn't expect much from destiny 3 being too close to the original as well so enjoy what you had. We aren't going back. As you said earlier a refresh of d1 would be welcome. But it would also show its age now. D2 came a long way in in gameplay, d1 will feel dated.
A D1 refresh imo would print money, sometimes what's old can be new again and there's alot of people I feel really missed out on how special d1 was and could be
Guardian Monkey
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Sadly age of triumph will be the only game capstone so far. They won't be able to put everything back mostly in d2. Who knows how the d3 approach will work. Hindsight looking back having each game last 3-4 years before a new one would have been a far better result for keeping content. We would be in the middle of d4 now
clarky
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Same as Destiny, beating the raid boss. I'm not even close, maybe next season.
Levelling the factions raises the floor from where you start your next run.
Look I'm not saying its a perfect game by any means. There are some balancing issues with the endgame to figure out and the game could do with another early/mid game map but what's there right now is very solid. Lets pull back from calling it almost D3 (it is), clearly its missing a large portion of the modes from that game, I'll go with spiritual successor to appease some folks here.
Shame no one is playing it lol. I'm sure Bungie will figure it out if given the time, they already made some steps in the right direction. There will be another free trial coming up for sure, give it another go. You might be surprised, I was.
Fair warning though its not an easy game in the slightest in its current guise. Think contest mode but in PVP form.
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Hollywood Hitman
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Yea I was definitely going to be a lifer, but bungie just imo squandered the golden goose of live service.Sadly age of triumph will be the only game capstone so far. They won't be able to put everything back mostly in d2. Who knows how the d3 approach will work. Hindsight looking back having each game last 3-4 years before a new one would have been a far better result for keeping content. We would be in the middle of d4 now
I loved the pvp so much I did friends challenges or pvp quests etc like I got a friend his Lunas howl amongst other things, I couldn't get enough when it was still full of life player wise. The chaotic nature was unlike anything out there and still is, but I can't go back to d2 it's done. D3 id happily play but not sure id lock myself into years and years while ignoring other games again
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clarky
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If you endured the pain of the solo comp Not Forgotten grind you are enough of a psycho to enjoy Marathon.
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Vindicator
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Still the most elegant fps imo, stellar sound design and great environments, really miss Titan and this:
Guardian Monkey
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Guardian Monkey
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You didn't read the next two pages did you?
no its not
clarky
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Bringing anything new to the conversation? Or didn't you read the thread?
no its not
clarky
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What do you mean? Weapons and progress got left behind all the time at certain points throughout Destiny's history.
The Dark Below being one of the worst offenders if memory serves.
sono
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weapons, armor, and XP from Destiny 1 did not carry over
When the Tower was destroyed, the City's Vault system was wiped out. This served as the narrative "excuse" for why all your hard-earned Gjallarhorns and Fatebringers were suddenly gone.
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clarky
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Didn't think anyone was expecting anything to carry over at the time.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
So you are saying that the division is just like destiny 2
Ass of Can Whooping
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Shame concord died. Was basically Destiny 4
sono
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Why tf not
You start the game with them and it takes them away in the explosion. It doesnt start as though it is a different game. It literally follows on.
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clarky
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The story does (kinda I'm sure they made shit up as they went along lost style) but the games systems were significantly different (worse). Fix rolls, double primaries etc. Like I said they left behind gear all the time including during D1. I've not logged in since the final shape but odds are all my vault is useless.
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Darchaos
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I always have D1 installed on my PS5 so i can jump in once or twice a year, actually did a couple of raids last year. Always surpries that the tower still feels alive and that one still meets people in a remote place on Venus.
And btw, Marathon is nothing like Destiny in any fuckin way. Have fun with your game but dont try to convince people of something that is just mumbojumbo.
And btw, Marathon is nothing like Destiny in any fuckin way. Have fun with your game but dont try to convince people of something that is just mumbojumbo.
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Not surprised you're trying so hard to be a contrarian here. Didn't you put Mario 64 and fucking Arc Raiders in the same boat as well?
Marathon is nothing like Destiny. Why do you want to die on this hill so badly?
clarky
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No that was our friendNot surprised you're trying so hard to be a contrarian here. Didn't you put Mario 64 and fucking Arc Raiders in the same boat as well?
Men_in_Boxes
I have played a significant amount of both. Have you?
I'm not dying on any hill, just saying it how I see it. If you see things differently that's fine.
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Didn't play much destiny 2 but i loved 1. I still maintain in all my decades gaming, Destiny 1 beta pvp was the most satisfying pvp fps experience i have ever witnessed. It's a shame it became maro kart, rock paper scissors and a time sink to make sure you had the correct gear for pvp.
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I don't need to play something for 130 hours to figure out that's it's not like Destiny. That's the whole reason why I couldn't play more than 3-5 hours. It's such a mid experience that has absolutely nothing that made Destiny fun to play. I don't know what else to tell you here. I think you're being extremely delusional and disingenuous here. Sometimes you just gotta take the L and move on (builds character).
clarky
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Gotcha you have no idea what you are talking about. Just take the "L"
EPG_Every_Platform_Gamer
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Yes this really irked me too. I had put over a thousand hours into Destiny 1 and bought it on all platforms and maxed out all characters in each. Then Destiny 2 was also similar but after they removed a massive chunk of the game i was like NOPE NO MORE. Sadly didn't even end up playing a lot of the later content in the game as by then had gotten fully annoyed with the game. Its not acceptable. its paid content and players should be able to play whatever they like. Its the age old issue of service games and sadly its the way the industry is now. Strangely just yesterday i was talking to my eldest daughter and she was saying, Dad you should get back into Destiny 2 as so many DLC you own but never even played... she's right. I may yet give it a download and try. Great series, and when Destiny 3 lands its going to be epic. Hell if they just updated Destiny 1 to run 60fps i would still be playing that. You just cannot beat Marty O'Donnell's music. Marathon is seriously lacking those catchy epic scores by Marty and the other dude who did destiny 2s music.
Hollywood Hitman
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That's the thing man, that fucking shit did me in for the rest of my life lol I mean it's one of my proudest moments but also one of the most rage inducing gaming things I ever did, it really was. So I just don't seek out that kind of stuff anymore tbh, love pvp forever but not like that.