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[scarybore]

Happy to see Alonso finally get a win this year and in quite some style. Hopefully more to come, but I honestly don't have a fucking clue what is going on with the rules at the minute so I don't know if Ferrari will fall back again at the next race.

Shame Webber couldn't get past Vettel to make the championship more interesting, but I can understand the team orders with 2 laps to go, even if I don't particularly agree with it.

Got no problems with the Massa/Hamilton incident at the end, it was two drivers desperate for a few more points and giving their all. If one had to retire due to the clash, I might feel different but it was good stuff really.

Eddie Jordan really annoys me sometimes

Agreed, but at the same time he calls things as he sees it and even though that can result in him looking at like a tit at times, I respect him for it.

 

[Omiee]

Expecting Ferrari's to be fastest at Hockenheim. Now the Red Bulls have a more normal rear end and no MEGA GRIP that you'd see from a videogame, they'll be vulnerable. McLaren are just fucked.

ehm they are going back to valancia setup's

 

[Orgun]

So much facepalming while catching up with this thread.

 

[Dilly]

There we go, Domenicali gets it right.

 

[Feorax]

Fair play to Ferrari head, saying Massa v Hamilton was just a fight for position and there was nothing wrong with it.

Good man, very sporting.

 

[f0rk]

There we go, Domenicali gets it right.

I agree but got to wonder what he would say if it was Alonso rather than Massa.

 

[Ark]

There we go, Domenicali gets it right.

Probably my favourite team principle, him & Whitmarsh are generally down-to-earth guys.

 

[brotkasten]

There you have it, right from the man that doesn't care about Massa. Hamilton's move was okay.

 

[kharma45]

Schumacher could've been well up there had it not been for his tangle with Koba, did well all things considered.

 

[DrM]

ehm they are going back to valancia setup's

They will argue about this, but all teams minus one agreed on this. Bernie will go into action.

Probably my favourite team principle, him & Whitmarsh are generally down-to-earth guys.

Whitmarsh will probably go, if their results continue to drop. SD saved his butt with this win.

 

[WorriedCitizen]

What's this bullshit, people whining about about RB team orders? Hilarious. It's called common sense what they did.

 

[avaya]

I have no problem with what Lewis did. Going by some people's attitudes Villeneuve vs Arnoux at Dijon back in the day would have resulted in both of them being banned for years. Same for Massa Kubica from Fuji 2007.

Massa is clearly not the same driver post Hungary 2009. Certainly lost something, he was lightning and consistent prior to it.

 

[Dilly]

Why did they wait for that message until Webber was practically next to Vettel?

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

There we go, Domenicali gets it right.

If FERARRI are saying that then you know it's just a racing incident.

People are so fucking quick to claim foul play these days.

 

[Deadman]

Won £84. Cheers fernando.

 

[Omiee]

They will argue about this, but all teams minus one agreed on this. Bernie will go into action.


Whitmarsh will probably go, if their results continue to drop. SD saved his butt with this win.

No way Ferrari will make things interesting if they go back to valencia setup's

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

Why did they wait for that message until Webber was practically next to Vettel?

Horner said the order went out 2 laps from the end so they must not have shown the earlier message.

 

[brotkasten]

Why did they wait for that message until Webber was practically next to Vettel?

He can't do it ...
He can't do it ...
He can't do it ...
... oh shit
"Hey, Webber, back the fuck off."

 

[avaya]

ehm they are going back to valancia setup's

Luca and Stefano are laughing at you.

 

[Ponti]

Why did they wait for that message until Webber was practically next to Vettel?

Radio messages aren't real time. They probably told him well before we actually heard it.

 

[Joseph Merrick]

Sad to see SuperKK with a DNF...

worst part of the race :'(

 

[Omiee]

Why did they wait for that message until Webber was practically next to Vettel?

i bet no one actually wanted to deliver the message, so horner had to do it.
but it was 100% the right descision to make.


What channel is bbc forum going to be on?

 

[DrM]

Radio messages aren't real time. They probably told him well before we actually heard it.

True, there is 30+ second delay

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Radio messages aren't real time. They probably told him well before we actually heard it.

He was still pushing hard when they aired that message, though.

I bet Webber was in two minds about it. I would be.

 

[WorriedCitizen]

Why did they wait for that message until Webber was practically next to Vettel?

Maybe they thought Webber himself would have a little more common sense.

 

[Dilly]

As long as they don't talk bullcrap in the press about giving their drivers the ability to race, it's fine by me.

Maybe they thought Webber himself would have a little more common sense.

A racedriver fighting for position, the idiocy.

 

[Ark]

What channel is bbc forum going to be on?

Red button.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Maybe they thought Webber himself would have a little more common sense.

Er he's a racing driver. He had the pace. It's not his place to worry about a few points for the team.

 

[ashk]

i bet no one actually wanted to deliver the message, so horner had to do it.
but it was 100% the right descision to make.


What channel is bbc forum going to be on?

I agree that it was the right decision to make, but their previous statements about team orders make them blatant hypocrites. I think that's what's bothering people the most.

 

[NHale]

I'm usually very critical of Hamilton's agressive driving (Monaco was deserving of a black flag) but today he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't waved 5 times in a straight when defending Vettel and in the Massa incident it was just racing: It happens! Massa brakes late and Hamilton was inside. Like Montoya said "Shit Happens"

And Schummy penalty was also undeserving. He lost control in a wet track, for god sake.

I have no problem with what Lewis did. Going by some people's attitudes Villeneuve vs Arnoux at Dijon back in the day would have resulted in both of them being banned for years. Same for Massa Kubica from Fuji 2007.

Massa is clearly not the same driver post Hungary 2009. Certainly lost something, he was lightning and consistent prior to it.

Hockenheim last year didn't help either.

 

[brotkasten]

A racedriver fighting for position, the idiocy.

"Not bad for a No. 2 driver."

 

[Lucius86]

Hamilton has a platinum card with the stewards - lol.

 

[Ark]

Haha, Hamilton not losing his sense of humour.

 

[Dilly]

I agree that it was the right decision to make, but their previous statements about team orders make them blatant hypocrites. I think that's what's bothering people the most.

Especially after Hockenheim last year. At least Alonso there was the only one with a chance for the WC.

 

[Omiee]

Red button.

ah fuck, im using that bbc app.
also red bull let their drivers race last year because it was close, vettel is clearly first in the team now, so its only normal to have team orders.

 

[Feorax]

Hamilton got a platinum card to the stewards

 

[Mobius 1]

Hamilton has a platinum card with the stewards - lol.

Yeah Heahahaha. Awesome sense of humor.

 

[Lucius86]

As long as they don't talk bullcrap in the press about giving their drivers the ability to race, it's fine by me.

That's the issue I have. Don't say there are no team orders in your team when there clearly are.

 

[Ponti]

He was still pushing hard when they aired that message, though.

I bet Webber was in two minds about it. I would be.

Yep, I don't blame him really. I'd have done the same.

Horner didn't look too happy when Ted was interviewing him though. I'm guessing Horner and Webber will be having some words.

 

[Omiee]

button deserved so much more, i feel bad for the guy.

 

[Dilly]

Lollipop made quite the mistake there. Guy on the right side didn't raise his hand.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

button would have got 3rd or 4th if mclaren didn't bone him.

 

[Omiee]

Lollipop made quite the mistake there. Guy on the right side didn't raise his hand.

he was not even looking.

 

[DrM]

Lollipop made quite the mistake there. Guy on the right side didn't raise his hand.

Lots and lots of mistakes in Mclaren pit crew this year.

Also, first pit mistake from RBR this season.

 

[brotkasten]

Yeah Heahahaha. Awesome sense of humor.

Yeah, I'm glad that he calmed down a bit. Makes him much more likeable.

 

[NHale]

Meanwhile, Red Bull team boss Chris Horner was less politic on the subject. “It’s a great shame for Formula 1 that the race was manipulated to give one driver a victory over the other,” Horner said. “We came in for a lot of criticism in Istanbul for allowing our drivers to race but I think that it’s the fair and sporting thing to do. The only losers today are Formula 1. Ferrari are a big enough team that they shouldn’t need to do that and Fernando is a good enough driver not to particularly at this point in the season when there are still hundreds of points available.”

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Oh the irony! Apparently not allowing one driver to fight for #2 is not a shame but #1 is!

 

[Orgun]

Wow Eddie Jordans shirt looks horrible in HD

 

[anonnumber6]

Finally it happens, too late in the season to fight for the championship but a step forward for Ferrari(or a few steps backwards for Red Bull).

Just need LDM and Stefano to lobby the FIA to keep these regs.

 

[DrM]

Team orders are allowed, so i don't know what is all the fuss about it.

 

[Omiee]

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Oh the irony! Apparently not allowing one driver to fight for #2 is not a shame but #1 is!

there is a difference.