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[Foliorum Viridum]

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Oh the irony! Apparently not allowing one driver to fight for #2 is not a shame but #1 is!

Yeah that's pretty embarrassing. Red Bull and Horner were very vocal about that, which I respected a lot.

 

[Orgun]

Team orders are allowed, so i don't know what is all the fuss about it.

Allowed but hated by fans on racing

 

[John_B]

Great win by Alonso. He is brilliant when he has the proper material to work with.

Nice to have Hamilton back. He was no were to be seen at the European Grand Prix, allegedly kidnapped by his cunt critics. He was charging through the field when the track was moist. Pulled out some of the best defensive driving seen in quite a while.

 

[anonnumber6]

Allowed but hated by fans on racing

But it is a team sport

 

[Omiee]

Shumi made some mistakes, he could have been top 5 with his pace.
Di resta was fucked by his team, he could have had an amazing points finish.
And button was such a shame, but what an amazing race this was.

 

[Igo]

there is a difference.

Yeah, Vettel's involved this time.

 

[avaya]

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Oh the irony! Apparently not allowing one driver to fight for #2 is not a shame but #1 is!

How is telling your drivers to hold position with just 2 laps to go in any way comparable to Ferrari moving their cars around mid race?

When teams say their drivers can fight they don't mean to the very last lap, it's almost always till the last put stop or up to the last couple of laps.

 

[Lucius86]

Team orders are allowed, so i don't know what is all the fuss about it.

Two things. Firstly, RBR have said openly they allow their drivers to race. Clearly that has changed.

Second, is that the principal of it robs the spectators of potential exciting racing.

 

[NHale]

Team orders are allowed, so i don't know what is all the fuss about it.

I don't have a problem with team orders. I believe a team should be allowed to do what they please inside their team.

However I have a problem with people that complain about team orders when other teams do it, but then do the exact same thing.

 

[ashk]

Team orders are allowed, so i don't know what is all the fuss about it.

The hypocrisy.

There's no difference. You could even argue that Vettel has such a massive points lead that 2 or three points less don't matter.

 

[Omiee]

Two things. Firstly, RBR have said openly they allow their drivers to race. Clearly that has changed.

Second, is that the principal of it robs the spectators of potential exciting racing.

Read the post above you, there is a difference.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Read the post above you, there is a difference.

Nah that's bullshit. Whether it's the halfway point or the last two corners, Red Bull have said they let their drivers race and I bet now if Ferarri or someone else did that Horner would be saying the same thing yet again.

 

[Lucius86]

Read the post above you, there is a difference.

I read it, and I disagree with it. There is a difference between what Ferrari and RBR did, but that doesn't mean I agree with either situation. Hence my post.

 

[navanman]

I'm not seeing anything on twitter,etc to say that the Valencia rules are back in play.
The latest is that Ferrari & Sauber want them to stay as they are.

Anyway, 4 week break coming up. What the hell to do now with no F1!!

 

[NHale]

How is telling your drivers to hold position with just 2 laps to go in any way comparable to Ferrari moving their cars around mid race?

When teams say their drivers can fight they don't mean to the very last lap, it's almost always till the last put stop or up to the last couple of laps.

The situation is different but the principle is the same.

You are manipulating the results by sending orders to the drivers. It's very possible that without team orders Webber wouldn't be able to overtake Vettel or Alonso would overtake Massa in Hockenheim and the end result would be the same, but the problem is that they managed to do so with orders from the guys on the pit wall.

 

[avaya]

Oh what happened to the Renault engines? I thought they were going to grenade themselves if they couldn't get their dispensation? Oh they didn't....

Edit

The principle being the same is BS. It's all about context. No team will be complaining about what Red Bull did not even Patrick Head from Williams, the only team who have an honest racing philosophy. The situations are not comparable it is ludicrous to argue the point. Secondly it is a team sport and with the rules again reflecting that reality the teams can do whatever they want. They get money for the WCC not the WDC.

 

[Lucius86]

Oh what happened to the Renault engines? I thought they were going to grenade themselves if they couldn't get their dispensation? Oh they didn't....

We all knew they were never going to blow. Just politics.

 

[DrM]

I'm not seeing anything on twitter,etc to say that the Valencia rules are back in play.
The latest is that Ferrari & Sauber want them to stay as they are.

Anyway, 4 week break coming up. What the hell to do now with no F1!!

Wait until later this day or several days. They will do something about this, majority of teams is for the change, so it is now on Bernie and FIA to reach the agreement or some shit will hit the fan.

 

[Angst]

I'm not seeing anything on twitter,etc to say that the Valencia rules are back in play.
The latest is that Ferrari & Sauber want them to stay as they are.

Anyway, 4 week break coming up. What the hell to do now with no F1!!

We still have Nürburgring and Hungaroring left before the break.

 

[itxaka]

Goddamit, we need more Hamilton-like drivers. F1 is so pussyfied nowadays, constantly with stewards this stewards that.

More aggresiveness please. Hamilton showed how do you defend your position until the last milisecond.

And wow at RB. What a disaster today for the team (well, not really a disaster per se ) 2 fucked up pit stops, cannot overtake, Ferrari reaching to their level, team orders.

Poor Button and Koba

Congrats to Alonso. Perfect race. Shame that it will involve a week of listening to idiots claiming that "Magic" is back, Vettel is shit, Ferrari is gonna win the world and such. Ugh.

 

[marvelharvey]

My favourite team order was Silverstone '87

"Mansell, do NOT overtake Piquet!" (Mansell overtakes Piquet)

 

[brotkasten]

It's s shame that we didn't hear how happy Alonso really was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C-HA9ie2Lw

 

[itsgreen]

Anyone got a link for the F1 forum?

Edit: http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/36283/4/formula-1:-british-grand-prix--race.html

 

[avaya]

My favourite team order was Silverstone '87

"Mansell, do NOT overtake Piquet!" (Mansell overtakes Piquet)

Lol. Mine too.

 

[f0rk]

Anyone got a link for the F1 forum?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9534435.stm

Just spoke to the dude who gives the top 3 the hats!

 

[schroddycat]

With merely a steering wheel as shield, and a finger as sword, I've slayed another who deemed by many to be invincible!

Finger babeh!

 

[brotkasten]

With merely a steering wheel as shield, and a finger as sword, I've slayed another who deemed by many to be invincible!

Finger babeh!

Beautiful.

 

[Ark]

Murray!

 

[brotkasten]

Murray is awesome! :lol

 

[Deadman]

Webber says he was told 4/5 times to not attack and still did anyway.

 

[Nolan.]

OOOOOh Webber is angry? this could be interesting maybe he really will go to Ferrari

Seriously though Vettel doesn't need the points

 

[f0rk]

Oh shit, Webber said they asked him several times to let Vettel go and he ignored them.

 

[kharma45]

Horner off to the forum, hopefully he gets the same sort of grilling Ted gave him earlier.

 

[Ark]

Webber laying it down in the conference. Finally a driver that will say no to the team live in public.

Horner sounded PISSED when he said he was going to the forum.

 

[Ponti]

Damage control time.

This'll get blown way out of proportion.

 

[brotkasten]

OOOOOh Webber is angry? this could be interesting maybe he really will go to Ferrari

Seriously though Vettel doesn't need the points

Going to Ferrari won't improve his situation at all.

 

[Juicy Bob]

Congratulations on your promotion to Red Bull Racing, Daniel Ricciardo.

 

[Ark]

I love hearing Hill & Eddie arguing.

 

[Dilly]

Respect Mark for ignoring those teamorders, shows that he's a real race driver.

 

[Mobius 1]

BBC is KILLING with the coverage. The Forum is epic television

 

[navanman]

BBC is KILLING with the coverage. The Forum is epic television

Damn Horner is getting it in the neck from Brundle.

 

[Dilly]

Man, I hope I can catch up the Forum somewhere.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

red bull's new golden boy got trashed by liuzzi, if he doesn't get the better of him in the next three or four races he's done.

hopefully vergne gets to test the toro rosso on friday practice, he's better than ricciardo.

 

[Nolan.]

I'm not sure if I agree with Horner. I mean the fact that Mark has had the fastest time in the closing sections of quite a few GP this season it must be crushing for him to not be able to capitalize on being consistently better than Vettel in that regard. Even Ignoring how far ahead Vettel is anyway I don't quite understand how he can be expected to carry out his job and not be disappointed when even the orders disadvantage him.

 

[Ponti]

red bull's new golden boy got trashed by liuzzi, if he doesn't get the better of him in the next three or four races he's done.

hopefully vergne gets to test the toro rosso on friday practice, he's better than ricciardo.

Bit harsh for the guys first proper race.

 

[Lucius86]

Vettel is a cheeky git

 

[Adamm]

lol @ vettel on the forum talking about Lee mcKenzie

 

[Bucket-o-roadkill]

Is the f1 forum repeated ever? like on the red button afterwards?

 

[Ponti]

Is the f1 forum repeated ever? like on the red button afterwards?

Don't know if it's repeated but it's usually up on the iPlayer afterwards.

 

[brotkasten]

I really enjoyed this race and I hope I'll watch it again this or next week with a friend. He didn't like the Monaco GP that much, but he became a fan of Hamilton. I really have to get him into F1. :lol