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[h3ro]

With RU down, can anyone PM me where I could find the BBC coverage? It'd be greatly appreciated.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Bit harsh for the guys first proper race.

sure, he needs time to bed in - and that's why i said in three or four races time

if he's as good as the hype suggests he should be thrashing liuzzi by then, but if he's still performing worst than karthikeyan (compared to liuzzi) he doesn't deserve a f1 seat.

 

[navanman]

Back to Valencia spec for next race.

Formula 1's row over the off-throttle use of blown diffusers is now at an end, after Ferrari and Sauber agreed to join other teams in backing plans to ditch the ban on the concept.

Although at a Sunday morning meeting the two outfits were alone in failing to support the offer from the FIA to revert engine mapping settings to how they were in Valencia, the two have now indicated that they will support the move.

Once the official agreement from all 12 teams is in place, it is understood that it will be a formality for the FIA to approve teams using off-throttle blown diffusers from the German Grand Prix - although the ban on outfits changing engine mapping settings between qualifying and the race will stand.

When asked about comments from Bernie Ecclestone that all teams had now agreed, Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali said: "That is my understanding too...

"I think that this thing was not really good for everyone. We need to draw a line and now look ahead, because otherwise where we are going? Even if I think I don't agree with the process, for the benefit of the sport we should have action."

Autosport

 

[Orgun]

Love the Forum, <3 BBC

Edit: Goldie lol!

 

[DrM]

Back to Valencia spec for next race.

Autosport

Sauber probably changed his mind when Kobayashi engine died

 

[Orgun]

I can understand Horners decision with the orders but I really don't agree with it.

 

[ANDY_098]

Just got back from Silverstone about an hour ago. Anything worth watching in the BBC pre-race build up or post race coverage (Forum included)?

 

[navanman]

Just got back from Silverstone about an hour ago. Anything worth watching in the BBC pre-race build up or post race coverage (Forum included)?

Best post season forum and interviews of the season. Catch it on iPlayer.

 

[Lucius86]

Also entire preview was amazing too. Worth the watch.

 

[Coldsnap]

Wtf watched Senna this morning, that was so depressing.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I know Webber and Vettel did crash into each other last year, but the way Horner said it was "only going to end in the wall" or something like that on the forum annoyed me. You have two world champions on your team who know how to race better than most people alive. Teammates colliding is an uncommon event relatively speaking in F1 and when you look at how McLaren handle it with Hamilton and Button who go side-by-side in nearly every race it's just a bit insulting to be told that Vettel an Webber would've inevitably crashed.

Christian was pretty honest about how they're employees and not bigger than the teams etc, but he kept falling back on that point which seemed disingenuous.

 

[Lucius86]

I know Webber and Vettel did crash into each other last year, but the way Horner said it was "only going to end in the wall" or something like that on the forum annoyed me. You have two world champions on your team who know how to race better than most people alive. Teammates colliding is an uncommon event relatively speaking in F1 and when you look at how McLaren handle it with Hamilton and Button who go side-by-side in nearly every race it's just a bit insulting to be told that Vettel an Webber would've inevitably crashed.

Christian was pretty honest about how they're employees and not bigger than the teams etc, but he kept falling back on that point which seemed disingenuous.

I swear you are my uglier identical twin.

 

[Nolan.]

I know Webber and Vettel did crash into each other last year, but the way Horner said it was "only going to end in the wall" or something like that on the forum annoyed me. You have two world champions on your team who know how to race better than most people alive. Teammates colliding is an uncommon event relatively speaking in F1 and when you look at how McLaren handle it with Hamilton and Button who go side-by-side in nearly every race it's just a bit insulting to be told that Vettel an Webber would've inevitably crashed.

Christian was pretty honest about how they're employees and not bigger than the teams etc, but he kept falling back on that point which seemed disingenuous.

Yeah that annoyed me a lot and it just seemed as if he kept undermining Mark's position at every turn without even conceding that he might have a point. I think that's what wound me up about Eddie's take on it too I understand that it's coming from the principle of owning a team but I don't think it's as clear cut as he so dismissively purported. Plus if you're a fan it's just lose-lose especially if you're paying to go and see the races.

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

I know Webber and Vettel did crash into each other last year, but the way Horner said it was "only going to end in the wall" or something like that on the forum annoyed me. You have two world champions on your team who know how to race better than most people alive. Teammates colliding is an uncommon event relatively speaking in F1 and when you look at how McLaren handle it with Hamilton and Button who go side-by-side in nearly every race it's just a bit insulting to be told that Vettel an Webber would've inevitably crashed.

Christian was pretty honest about how they're employees and not bigger than the teams etc, but he kept falling back on that point which seemed disingenuous.

Horner clearly doesn't believe that Webber is in the same class as Vettel, hopefully for next year Red Bull either get a driver who understands what the role of the number 2 driver is, or someone who can actually compete with Vettel consistently.

 

[Leunam]

That was a great race. Holy crap I don't even know what to say yet.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Horner clearly doesn't believe that Webber is in the same class as Vettel, hopefully for next year Red Bull either get a driver who understands what the role of the number 2 driver is, or someone who can actually compete with Vettel consistently.

There's no doubt in my mind that Webber can compete with Vettel, as proven by this weekend. He's still one of the top blokes in the sport and I hope he can start to find his form and have better luck as the season progresses.

It's pretty obvious he's not happy at Red Bull though and that and that can't be helping. As much as Horner likes to make out RB is a happy family, it's obvious that the team isn't nearly as together as, say, McLaren where they let their drivers compete and where Button and Hamilton are good friends.

 

[Pterion]

I hope the Mclaren is more competitive next race. I can't do this much longer, watching talent get wasted like this.

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

There's no doubt in my mind that Webber can compete with Vettel, as proven by this weekend. He's still one of the top blokes in the sport and I hope he can start to find his form and have better luck as the season progresses.

It's pretty obvious he's not happy at Red Bull though and that and that can't be helping. As much as Horner likes to make out RB is a happy family, it's obvious that the team isn't nearly as together as, say, McLaren where they let their drivers compete and where Button and Hamilton are good friends.

I agree with Horner, the only driver in the top teams that Webber is better than is Massa, & even then Massa understands the role of a number 2. Webber comes across (to me) as a whiner ( all the complaints last year about how no-one at RB likes him) & refusing a direct order from your boss to get 3 more points in a championship you have no (real) chance of winning is not the smartest thing to do.

Also using this race as an example of Webber being competitive with Vettel is slightly disingenuous, as Silverstone seems to suit Webber very well, at most tracks this year Vettel has had a comfortable buffer between the two.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I appreciate the fact Webber didn't want to give up a place even if it wasn't overly important for his championship. It's the same reason I love Hamilton and Kobayashi. He has that desire to go faster and do the best he can, which as a fan is exactly what I love.

 

[Adamm]

I hope the Mclaren is more competitive next race. I can't do this much longer, watching talent get wasted like this.

Yeah, its a shame seeing such great drivers in un-competitive cars

Its interesting when it happens occasionally just to see what they can do, but when happens year after year its no fun

 

[SCHUEY F1]

Alonso..Alonso...ALONSO!

Great race! Wish Schumacher hadn't made contact with Kobi, but he still drove a nice race.

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

I appreciate the fact Webber didn't want to give up a place even if it wasn't overly important for his championship. It's the same reason I love Hamilton and Kobayashi. He has that desire to go faster and do the best he can, which as a fan is exactly what I love.

Thats fair enough, but ignoring a direct order( especially as he couldn't get the job done) was basically handing in his notice.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Maybe. I seriously doubt he was looking to stay at RBR next year anyway, to be honest.

 

[Nolan.]

Plus him and Horner really don't seem to get on much judging from their body contact, but if he doesn't stay at Redbull next year or move to Ferrari maybe he'll just retire which would be a shame.

 

[ANDY_098]

I find it annoying that Vettel is actually a really nice guy.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

BBC is KILLING with the coverage. The Forum is epic television

Wish I was able to watch it

 

[brotkasten]

I find it annoying that Vettel is actually a really nice guy.

Especially now on TopGear. Damn.

 

[Leunam]

lol

My wife finally watched a whole race with me this morning and she said he kind of looks like a douche. I had to jump in and tell her that he's actually a really nice guy.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8IpUjUStgo

BBC Forum with Horner.

 

[Ark]

I find it annoying that Vettel is actually a really nice guy.

That's been my dilema since early last year.

 

[Deadman]

We fell to number 2 in the overall subleague competition on f1racemanager. 9lives.be has taken first by 21 points.

I moved up 12 to 31

 

[Ark]

We fell to number 2 in the overall subleague competition on f1racemanager. 9lives.be has taken first by 21 points.

I moved up 12 to 31

I lost one place. I am forever doomed to be stuck in the 50-60 area

 

[Shaneus]

That's been my dilema since early last year.

Ugh, agreed. It annoys me that there really isn't anything genuine to hate about him.

 

[brotkasten]

Ugh, agreed. It annoys me that there really isn't anything genuine to hate about him.

The finger. We can all agree that it's allowed to hate on his finger, right?

 

[Shaneus]

The finger. We can all agree that it's allowed to hate on his finger, right?

Sure! It's probably bionic or something.

I really do hope that going back to Valencia rules don't give everything back to RBR again. It really was one of the best races I've seen in the last year or so. At least on par with Canada.

 

[marvelharvey]

The finger. We can all agree that it's allowed to hate on his finger, right?

At least he forgot to do it on Top Gear.

 

[AcridMeat]

Nice race to watch despite the obvious Kobayashi discrimination by the sport as a whole.

 

[Ark]

Sure! It's probably bionic or something.

I really do hope that going back to Valencia rules don't give everything back to RBR again. It really was one of the best races I've seen in the last year or so. At least on par with Canada.

I've been horrifically spoiled by Canada because I actually thought Silverstone was quite boring

 

[Shaneus]

I've been horrifically spoiled by Canada because I actually thought Silverstone was quite boring

I don't see how that's possible. Perhaps a part of it was Webber finally sticking it to Vettel in both the quali and race, but there was closeness all around and the occasional drama (that unfortunately involved SuperKK) that kept it interesting through the whole 52 laps.

Really hope this doesn't jeopardise Webber at RBR though. It's pretty much the only place he has a remote chance of getting a WDC (unless the team he goes to also happens to arse their way into a better designed car than RBR in 2012).

 

[paskowitz]

Just watched Top Gear. No longer hate Vettel. He is a nice guy. He is fast, his car is fast. Can't fault him for that.

 

[Leunam]

Nice race to watch despite the obvious Kobayashi discrimination by the sport as a whole.

Discriminated on the track, in the pits, and by his own engine. (

 

[jey_16]

I cant fathom why ferrari agreed to go back to the old rules. I hope they know what they are doing

 

[Coldsnap]

Good race, my third F1 race to watch. Ending was really captivating.

 

[Road]

I know Webber and Vettel did crash into each other last year, but the way Horner said it was "only going to end in the wall" or something like that on the forum annoyed me. You have two world champions on your team who know how to race better than most people alive. Teammates colliding is an uncommon event relatively speaking in F1 and when you look at how McLaren handle it with Hamilton and Button who go side-by-side in nearly every race it's just a bit insulting to be told that Vettel an Webber would've inevitably crashed.

Christian was pretty honest about how they're employees and not bigger than the teams etc, but he kept falling back on that point which seemed disingenuous.

But Button and Hamilton just crashed...

3 points are also extremely important.

Don't get me wrong, I think team orders are bullshit, but those are two valid reasons to be worry about.

I've been horrifically spoiled by Canada because I actually thought Silverstone was quite boring

I don't think it was that exciting either. Had Vettel been "lucky" again, we'd probably be hearing different impressions from more people.

 

[RSTEIN]

Quite a thing going from F1 in the morning to the Toronto Indy this afternoon. Lol, there was a pile up every lap. Hard to fit what seemed like 400 cars into a hairpin corner. Anyone else watch?

 

[DrM]

I cant fathom why ferrari agreed to go back to the old rules. I hope they know what they are doing

Bernie bought Luca enough spare TVs

They are probably confident with new upgrades. But this could be quite risky, because RBR and Mclaren lost quite a lot due to off throttle blowing ban. How much, is another question.

But this full scale blowing means that Mclaren should bounce back, because that '10 day Australian miracle' was just successful EDB + off throttle blowing implementation. Without that, they are toasted - we saw that yesterday.

 

[NihonTiger90]

Quite a thing going from F1 in the morning to the Toronto Indy this afternoon. Lol, there was a pile up every lap. Hard to fit what seemed like 400 cars into a hairpin corner. Anyone else watch?

I did. That one corner is always a mess in Toronto, especially since the rules changes years back so that people weren't at risk of getting killed.

 

[Dead Man]

Blue Racing got decent points but went nowhere

 

[Chris R]

Blue Racing got decent points but went nowhere

McL held ya back. I could have had RBR/McL but went RBR/Fer instead and that allowed me to bump up to a better driver. If Kov hadn't been total shit today I would have been OVER 9000/9 points, but there is always next week.

 

[Dead Man]

McL held ya back. I could have had RBR/McL but went RBR/Fer instead and that allowed me to bump up to a better driver. If Kov hadn't been total shit today I would have been OVER 9000/9 points, but there is always next week.

Yeah they did. Best combo would have been Fer/Fer which I could have afforded.