What will next gen graphics look like?
- Thread starter Shadow of the BEAST
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I'd say hype and desire drive sales for a new console more so than anything else.
And there are many ways to achieve that.
Graphics is certainly one way, i will argue that(even if the public at large is less gung ho about them, enthusiast hype about graphics, developer hype about graphics- which leads to good 3rd party support and software- all of which can carry over into the media and the cultural narrative about the new system). Graphics is one of many avenues to sell hype and desire.
But certainly Nintendo has proved on multiple occassions that interesting gimmicks, marketed properly with co-ordinating software, can be as effective - if not more so. Brand recognition, lack of alternatives, marketing, software, console features(netflix) and media coverage can all add to that desire and hype as well.
sure. thats your opinion. Not like you can just post it again and it magically becomes fact.
I agree that next-gen consoles may not have the computational power to render samaritan as it was. But that was a tech demo designed to show off specific tech features of an engine. Talented developers will be able to approximate the same thing so closely that they'll effectively be 'doing' samaritan level graphics without needing to specifically use those rendering methods.
smoke and mirrors is part and parcel of game development.
ClovingWestbrook
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Hahahaha. Oh man are you settin yourselfup for disappointment.
Relaxed Muscle
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les papillons sexuels
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why do people think realism is going to be king, my bet is on more tf2, diablo 3, and games that are much more stylized.
I think you're the one who is nuts by going back 16 years.
Your claim that "Nothing on PC looked ANYWHERE close" to Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero is laughable.
Please tell me in what universe does http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=led41FSccAc comes no where close to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZavrLOVAuJA&feature=related
Splash Wave
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Can anyone show me an example of what this effect looks like?
Betta Lines
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Sorry, but if the next generation doesn't deliver Samaritan-quality visuals, it will be a failure. If you'd shown me Uncharted 2/3 footage at the end of the PS2 era and told me this was PS3, I would have thought you were insane.
I know you're analysing it by the numbers, but it's really not about the numbers. With incredibly gifted studios, you don't need an overpowered GTX 580 to achieve something that approximates that Samaritan demo.
RyanReedyMusic
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Most of us expect a big jump in graphics because of the lapse of time between systems. Since this has not happened before in console generation leaps. I think all of us have some expectations that wont be met. Im all for graphics as well since Im a high end pc user. There are just somethings that we need to focus on this time such as crowd physics, deeper AI, bigger more detailed environments. AI and Physics to me is where we need to see the biggest of changes. We have not seen a change this generation that has impressed. Animations are generally the same. We need to see more advanced systems on facial and body animations. I hope that we can see hybrid graphics come into fruition. Such as voxel and polygon mixed setups like Atomontage Engine.
PC graphics look too sharp sometimes to me, because they aren't taking advantage of the resolution to its full potential - you get high resolution polygons but not enough of them (sharp knees) and textures suffer.
If you have assets (meshes and textures) designed for 1080p it'd look AMAZING.
I know but It's not like this is helping at all, in fact it's even worse because this means that the only direct feed image of something for wiiu is 720p (so not full hd) and still presents a lot of aliasing (which is embarassing for a 2012 console at that level of detail)
(here's the original taken from the nintendo's site after the last E3)
Stallion Free
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Half-Life 2/Doom 3 look significantly better than Kameo and Perfect Dark and they had much better image quality too. 720p was low res when the gen started and it still is.
I personally prefer a filmic look with post to "pc graphics". That R3 shot gif with great AA is going to be incredible. I think PC graphics tend to have a generi look to them that I don't find appealing.
more ram would enable better textures and that would already mean a better next gen experience. I'm personanly more art/visuals over 1080p.
Yes this aliasing at this level of detail for a 2012 console is just impressive
seriously from what we've seen (and I'm not saying it will remain like this) the wiiu is very very disappointing
like I said mid tier current gen graphics.
but OMFG ITS LOZHDDDD!!! If it didn't have link. and some generi guy. and was the same exact image from say some b tier dev, no one would give a shit.
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darkpaladinmfc
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Except that was NOT the case with the current generation, the only game that looked like it was going to eclipse anything on PC was uncharted and by the time it released crysis was out ... so yeah.
But thats just not true.
I wrote that once, but i'll write it again. Tessellation wasnt optimized in that tech demo, most of gpu performance was used for Bokeh and reflections which were not optimized [look at bokeh and SSR in CE 3 for example], demo run in stable 1080p@60 and 3x 580 doesnt equal 300% of 580 performance, but more like 220-230. With better algorithms [from CE 3 for example], 30 fps, less tessellation [or better optimized] and lack of API overhead [which gives 20-30% more performance] You can easily achieve Samaritan demo even now on GTX 560 alike GPU.
Remember that they worked on this demo for less than 3 months.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeE8WHl9Hqw
extrapolation will suggest that we get games that look better than max bf3 next gen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeE8WHl9Hqw
extrapolation will suggest that we get games that look better than max bf3 next gen
biggersmaller
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I don't know where these console defenders come from. Console gaming is great, but when talking graphical fidelity this generation, it's been a value proposition from the veeeeery beginning. No other empirical measurement can be used to say consoles beat a high-end PC at any point. Be happy that you paid hundreds vs thousands, but don't sit there and try to convince yourself you are happy with (maybe) 720p. The art assets are always timeless in gaming, but who wouldn't have rather had this vs 480p:
See what I mean.
No, please do explain.
Frankenstrat
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That cryengine 3 titanic.
A man can dream.
A man can dream.
darkpaladinmfc
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For a game like Mario having a high resolution and AA is so essential, Mario honestly doesn't need to look much better than that.
Stop responding to posts, you're being defensive.
If you're seriously comparing Far Cry from 2005 to Uncharted from - well, any of them - then you should step away from the computer.
dgrdsv
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To go from Uncharted 2 quality to Uncharted 2 quality in 1080p you need exactly $0 in your budget.
But it'll be much more than just Uncharted 2 quality in 1080p. Current PC games are a bad indicators because most of them are just console ports with several cheap to add DX11 effects here and there in higher resolution and with AA/AF. Games built from zero for DX11 and GPU compute should look much better than anything that is on the market now.
Who was making the comparison between far cry and uncharted?
biggersmaller
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And it looks sweet as hell. I find it very hard to go back to my retail version of most my Wii games after being ripped. I love the art in this game, and having it in higher resolution only helps me appreciate it even more.
Yes, every single PC gamer out there are being defensive because of a direct comparison that didn't take place in this thread.
Well argued sir and the generalization stands.
darkpaladinmfc
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Probably 720p just like the 720/PS4 :/. At least Nintendo is usually good with their framerates.Just imagine what Nintendo is gonna put out with the Wii U.
Yeah, due to the Art Direction in Nintendo Games,
they look beautiful in high Res.
Higher Polygon counts + great Art Direction.
It's going to look great, not all games, but EAD stuff should be top notch.
Far Cry came out in '04.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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The most important thing for me is to finally play games with great, sharp textures. Most current gen games are big disappointments in this regard and i`m getting sick of all those low res textures.
For example: love me some Batman AC, but the textures in this game are really hard to look at and the games art style and atmosphere would gain so much with better texture quality.
For example: love me some Batman AC, but the textures in this game are really hard to look at and the games art style and atmosphere would gain so much with better texture quality.
Let's hope that it will be nice anti-aliased. Playing SS in 1080p with 4xAA and 16xAF is a beauty to behold. 30 FPS The Legend of Zelda: Green Valley in 1080p with 4xAA will be godlike.Just imagine what Nintendo is gonna put out with the Wii U.
We have already seen great textures, animation and effects. I want the lighting to improve consistently. I really like the lighting in BF3, amazing.
Foliorum Viridum
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That's sorta my bad, after I took the screenshot I added some sharpness to 'enhance' the picture
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