Girl/Dating Age Part 2: A combined effort to give advice for those in need

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You only live once, I suppose :) Some mistakes are hard to talk people out of. The consequences could be worthwhile, or very much not so :S

It's such a shitty situation right now. I've known the girl for a while, I've liked her for a while, and I didn't even know she had a dude until last week. She didn't have anything suggesting so on her Facebook, and a mutual friend told me to go for her, so I assumed the whole time she was open game. But yesterday in my bedroom she and I were holding each other after we had sex, and it felt sooooo nice. My last girlfriend never wanted to cuddle, she just ran to the bathroom and completely ruined the mood.

I'm crazy about this girl, but I just wish the entire thing wasn't predicated on a complete lie.
 
That's how I feel. Honestly, it seems like there's this certain "something" that makes people romantically interested in you, and I just don't have it. People keep telling me I'm great, even some of my lady friends tell me I would make a great boyfriend. But every time I try to get to know a girl they distance themselves, even when it's strictly platonic. Really, the only girls that give me the time of day are ones in long term relationships. And while they're great friends, they'll never act as a wingwoman or introduce me to their friends. Hell, a couple of them even get jealous when I do show interest in someone else.


You haven't convinced yourself that women want you and will pursue you.

That can only come from you, not anything external.

After you do that, this all becomes effortless.
 
I trim my pubes with the Phillips Body Groomer

Depends on your lip composition/strength. Remember, less is more when it comes to tongue. Too little is 100x better than too much. The tongue is like a cherry on top, should be used sparingly or only moderately with skilled girl-kissers. If they know what they're doing, they can teach you.

As for 2... I use one of those $10-15 Walmart electric hair trimmers, shave down my shit, then finish off with a 3-blade disposable razor blade to fine-trim that carpet.

Also, shave your balls. It's fun. Be careful.

It's a rhythm thing, always has been for me. After awhile you start to get a sense of how you and the girl work with each other and kind of just play off that.

Definitely agree with the guys who have suggested using tongue sparingly, but definitely make sure there's some there. For me it's a massive turn off when a woman doesn't use tongue.
You guys rock. Me and my girlfriend are both pretty bad at tongue. So we're trying to learn.

Need to buy one of those trimmers. Right now I am going at it with a razor. I have shaved my balls for the first time. SMOOTH.
 
I love this thread <3 Most useful thread on GAF.

Also, I love how no member of female-GAF has ever dared to step into this den of manliness.
 
I love this thread <3 Most useful thread on GAF.

Also, I love how no member of female-GAF has ever dared to step into this den of manliness.

Oh, they do enter this thread. During the summer, two lady gaffers criticized the advice given in this thread, especially when advice was given by Spacebar.
 
Pretty sure most if not all of these are made by guys.
Right? RIGHT?

Some are accurate. Some are obviously written by bitter guys. I won't tell you which ones I find accurate though!

I love this thread <3 Most useful thread on GAF.

Also, I love how no member of female-GAF has ever dared to step into this den of manliness.

I have posted in this thread on a number of occasions. I sometimes read it just because it is interesting to see opinions from the other side.
 
This isn't a girl-age in particular thing, just more of a social skill building post. So I posted late last week I went out to a local bar by myself just on a whim and ended up playing pool with this really cute girl and talked to other people at the bar, a first for me without friends to sort of be the "leaders". Went back to the same bar Monday night, not to look for her because she mentioned she was going on a cruise, but to just hang out and celebrate the end of a semester. Hit it off with this really cool couple and the guy told me we all need to hang out again soon and gave me his contact info. First time I've ever hit it off with some random people in a place like that. Sure it wasn't a girl, but I still had a great sense of achievement. This is where I've needed help the most, being able to cold open with people. Not be the guy who just sits in the back all the time.

Some are accurate. Some are obviously written by bitter guys. I won't tell you which ones I find accurate though!

Curses, so the mystery continues.
 
This isn't a girl-age in particular thing, just more of a social skill building post. So I posted late last week I went out to a local bar by myself just on a whim and ended up playing pool with this really cute girl. Went back to the same bar Monday night, not to look for her because she mentioned she was going on a cruise, but to just hang out and celebrate the end of a semester. Hit it off with this really cool couple and the guy told me we all need to hang out again soon and gave me his contact info. First time I've ever hit it off with some random people in a place like that. Sure it wasn't a girl, but I still had a great sense of achievement. This is where I've needed help the most, being able to cold open with people. Not be the guy who just sits in the back all the time.
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Congrats dude.. I recognize the HUGE value in that. Keep it up.
 
You haven't convinced yourself that women want you and will pursue you.

That can only come from you, not anything external.

After you do that, this all becomes effortless.

Not really. I know I'm a great guy and feel any woman would be lucky to be with me. Been thinking this for months now, but still getting (mostly) the same reactions as before. And that women will pursue you thing, how much success have you personally seen from that? Have women actually been chasing you?
 
Not really. I know I'm a great guy and feel any woman would be lucky to be with me. Been thinking this for months now, but still getting (mostly) the same reactions as before. And that women will pursue you thing, how much success have you personally seen from that? Have women actually been chasing you?

Girls think that "you'd make a great boyfriend". Why do they say that? Is it your attitude (giving off a wish-I-wasn't-single vibe)? Or do you ask them for validation (do you think I'd make a good boyfriend?)
 
Alright need a "what would you do" answer for this.

So I'm outside waiting for the library to open when this girl I've kinda liked the whole semester arrives. We chat it up and decide to study together before an upcoming exam. We do some studying but we also talk a bit about ourselves and get to know each other. It definitely seems like she's flirting a bit with me. So I asked how her social life was going due to studying so much for finals; "Do you see a lot of your family or boyfriend after studying?" She said she's been studying a lot and hasn't been doing much; she never says anything about a boyfriend. Anyway we exchange numbers (we plan to study later on) and then went to take the exam. After the exam I met with her outside to talk about the exam. The plan is to study for the last exam at the same library spot until midnight then I'll walk her to her car and she'll drop me off at home.

Seeing as how there is an exam tomorrow, I certainly won't ask her to come upstairs (I know it's silly to mention this but just letting you guys know our situation). But I do wonder how I should end the night with her? "Good luck studying", hug, kiss even? Again I know this is really silly but I don't have much experience in this. Also should I bring up "boyfriend" again to get a confirmation of one?

Thanks guys.
 
Girls think that "you'd make a great boyfriend". Why do they say that? Is it your attitude (giving off a wish-I-wasn't-single vibe)? Or do you ask them for validation (do you think I'd make a good boyfriend?)

Nah, I don't often seek validation from other people (for better or worse). Normally I'll just joke around with them and then the conversation of "How are you still single" pops up, and then they follow it up with comments like that. Most of these women are my friends girlfriends or co-workers that are married, but we're all good friends and brutally honest with each other. They wouldn't say that just to be nice, if I was screwing up somewhere they would tell me about it.
 
@Fandango

hug or kiss? It doesn't even sound like the two of you know each other that well. Why not wish her luck studying and ask if she would like to get together with you after her finals for lunch/movie/etc. I wouldn't ask about a boyfriend, if she has one then she will let you know.
 
@Fandango

hug or kiss? It doesn't even sound like the two of you know each other that well. Why not wish her luck studying and ask if she would like to get together with you after her finals for lunch/movie/etc. I wouldn't ask about a boyfriend, if she has one then she will let you know.

Hm alright sounds good thanks. I felt like that was rushing into things too. I'll see if she wants to grab lunch after the exam tomorrow.
 
Guys im 21 and I have no idea about "dating" girls.

I had a couple of girlfriends as a teenager and a couple of drunken encounters with girls in the last couple of years but as far as dating a girl and asking her out etc... im totally green.

I obviously know what to do, but are there any tips or videos to help me feel better about this whole thing?
 
Guys im 21 and I have no idea about "dating" girls.

I had a couple of girlfriends as a teenager and a couple of drunken encounters with girls in the last couple of years but as far as dating a girl and asking her out etc... im totally green.

I obviously know what to do, but are there any tips or videos to help me feel better about this whole thing?

Don't be weird about it. Just ask if she wants to grab a drink sometime. If you're into beer, drink some good ones together.
 
@Fandango

hug or kiss? It doesn't even sound like the two of you know each other that well. Why not wish her luck studying and ask if she would like to get together with you after her finals for lunch/movie/etc. I wouldn't ask about a boyfriend, if she has one then she will let you know.

I'll echo this, don't try to jump in too fast. I think most girls would be receptive to a hug as long as you are casual friends, but a kiss might be a bit much. Have you gotten physical at all? Study sessions in public places make this kinda awkward, but playful pushes if shes making fun of you or touching her arm on occasion if you're trying to get her attention is a great place to start.
 
Alright need a "what would you do" answer for this.
Seeing as how there is an exam tomorrow, I certainly won't ask her to come upstairs (I know it's silly to mention this but just letting you guys know our situation). But I do wonder how I should end the night with her? "Good luck studying", hug, kiss even? Again I know this is really silly but I don't have much experience in this. Also should I bring up "boyfriend" again to get a confirmation of one?

Thanks guys.

I would hug her and wish her luck, though I'll hug a woman the moment I meet her off on Okcupid, though the hug part is up to you (though no kisses as of yet). What you should do is ask her out sometime after your and her exams are over.

Also, don't ask if she has a boyfriend or not, just assume she doesn't and flirt your heart away. That's my philosophy pertaining to that question.
 
I had success today!

Met up with this girl for the third time and got lunch.
Then afterwards we went to a park to go on a little walk while holding hands.
Ended up kissing for the first time under a tree and then back at my car.

Really happy how it all turned out :)

A bit late but it was my first kiss too..... but I get the feeling she was also a noob at kissing.
 
I had success today!

Met up with this girl for the third time and got lunch.
Then afterwards we went to a park to go on a little walk while holding hands.
Ended up kissing for the first time under a tree and then back at my car.

Really happy how it all turned out :)

A bit late but it was my first kiss too..... but I get the feeling she was also a noob at kissing.

Good for you! I've always thought that little things like holding hands means you're good for the kiss. Did you find that helped push you? Or was it just a good moment to do it for you?
 
Good news for me too. Studied all day with her. When she dropped me off, I just patted on the shoulder and said good luck. Then we texted a little bit afterwards and plan to study together for future exams. Oh and we are having lunch tomorrow afterwards. I feel really good about this.
 
Good news for me too. Studied all day with her. When she dropped me off, I just patted on the shoulder and said good luck. Then we texted a little bit afterwards and plan to study together for future exams. Oh and we are having lunch tomorrow afterwards. I feel really good about this.

If you don't want to be in the friend zone, time is slipping away fast. It may already be too late even.
 
Dear Girl-age,



Is being cocky ever a negative thing?

Cocky funny is good when a woman has some self-esteem.

It can really blow up in your face if you're flirting with a woman who has low self-esteem.


If you don't want to be in the friend zone, time is slipping away fast. It may already be too late even.

It's not too late. If he makes a move tomorrow, he has a chance of success. Even if he fails, he kills the little bugger in the back of his head telling him "What if?"

However, if you don't make a move tomorrow, the chance of being stuck in friend zone is greatly increased. I believe in you! Succeed at this young padawan!
 
Good news for me too. Studied all day with her. When she dropped me off, I just patted on the shoulder and said good luck. Then we texted a little bit afterwards and plan to study together for future exams. Oh and we are having lunch tomorrow afterwards. I feel really good about this.

By agreeing to lunch you've already won. Don't worry about "signs" or "closing with a kiss" nonsense. Just have a good time with her.
 
So I'm as bad as it gets when it comes to girls. I'm in my late 20's and haven't had a relationship. Had a couple of dates with 1 girl and that's it. Part of the problem is that I don't talk a lot and there's also the fact that I hardly ever go out in a place where I could meet girls. When I do go out, it's just hanging out with friends in a pub.

Now there's this girl that I really like a lot. She had a boyfriend, so I kept my distance. But she broke up with him and we've been chatting a lot on the internet lately. It's been really nice. I see this girl once in a while in real life and yesterday was the first time I saw her since we really started chatting a lot. Due to circumstances I saw her very briefly and it didn't go like I was hoping, it felt like she was avoiding contact. Feeling crap I returned home.

In the evening I saw she was online. She told me she thought I was quiet when we met. Obviously yes I was, since I felt like she didn't want to talk and I didn't want to push her. So I guess I misinterpreted her...
Anyway, we started talking again and I was asking about her favourite movies. She caught me off guard by suggesting we should watch some movies together at home. Obviously I was glad to accept that invitation and we made some plans to do so. I then told her it would be nicer to meet in a pub instead of chatting on the computer and she immediately suggested some dates. I'm gonna write her today to meet in a couple of days.

Sorry for this long story. Am I getting my hopes up to soon? Oh, and she's a couple of years younger than me.
 
So I'm as bad as it gets when it comes to girls. I'm in my late 20's and haven't had a relationship. Had a couple of dates with 1 girl and that's it. Part of the problem is that I don't talk a lot and there's also the fact that I hardly ever go out in a place where I could meet girls. When I do go out, it's just hanging out with friends in a pub.

Now there's this girl that I really like a lot. She had a boyfriend, so I kept my distance. But she broke up with him and we've been chatting a lot on the internet lately. It's been really nice. I see this girl once in a while in real life and yesterday was the first time I saw her since we really started chatting a lot. Due to circumstances I saw her very briefly and it didn't go like I was hoping, it felt like she was avoiding contact. Feeling crap I returned home.

In the evening I saw she was online. She told me she thought I was quiet when we met. Obviously yes I was, since I felt like she didn't want to talk and I didn't want to push her. So I guess I misinterpreted her...
Anyway, we started talking again and I was asking about her favourite movies. She caught me off guard by suggesting we should watch some movies together at home. Obviously I was glad to accept that invitation and we made some plans to do so. I then told her it would be nicer to meet in a pub instead of chatting on the computer and she immediately suggested some dates. I'm gonna write her today to meet in a couple of days.

Sorry for this long story. Am I getting my hopes up to soon? Oh, and she's a couple of years younger than me.
Yes. She just broke up with her ex and she might not be ready to even date.
 
Also, don't be into chatting so much between physical meet-ups. You are investing a lot and giving her extra time to decide you are a creep or sad or whatever. Retain some mystery; do not always be available.
 
Bible girl had been acting strange around me this week. I sent her a very casual text today wishing her a good winter break and that if she felt like getting together at all during the time off for her to let me know. I've yet to hear back.

Not sure why the sudden change in attitude. As I've said, both dates were fantastic and our last one ended with us making out before I dropped her off.

Regardless, if I don't hear back from her tonight I'll be moving on to the next one. Have some potential prospects around during winter break anyways. Not sweating it.
 
Bible girl had been acting strange around me this week. I sent her a very casual text today wishing her a good winter break and that if she felt like getting together at all during the time off for her to let me know. I've yet to hear back.

Not sure why the sudden change in attitude. As I've said, both dates were fantastic and our last one ended with us making out before I dropped her off.

Regardless, if I don't hear back from her tonight I'll be moving on to the next one. Have some potential prospects around during winter break anyways. Not sweating it.

Give her a call.

Pardon my bluntness, but you went out on a second date with her. A text might be good now and then, but you should be calling her instead of texting her. When you date one of your prospects, try giving them a call, it makes everything feel a bit more intimate.
 
Bible girl had been acting strange around me this week. I sent her a very casual text today wishing her a good winter break and that if she felt like getting together at all during the time off for her to let me know. I've yet to hear back.

Not sure why the sudden change in attitude. As I've said, both dates were fantastic and our last one ended with us making out before I dropped her off.

Regardless, if I don't hear back from her tonight I'll be moving on to the next one. Have some potential prospects around during winter break anyways. Not sweating it.

The bolded is where you fucked up.

If you want to see her over break, you tell her that you want to see her.

Also specify when.
 
Yes. She just broke up with her ex and she might not be ready to even date.

Yes, I've been wondering about that. I don't know how long it has been. I didn't want to talk to her about it too much either.

I know I should be careful getting on a cloud, the ground is a long way down.

Thanks for the advice about not chatting too much now, I guess you're right.
 
The bolded is where you fucked up.

If you want to see her over break, you tell her that you want to see her.

Also specify when.

This. I find you can go about things one of two ways when you're setting dates:

1) Although some might think it comes off as eager, give two separate dates. Tell her something like "Let's ____. I'm busy most of the week but am free ____ and ____." This allows minimal back-and-forth because you're giving her two days to work with. Unlike the next approach, you don't have to over use texting to search for a time. Be realistic in your two days though, Friday and Saturday nights aren't usually good choices because you should already be busy those days. Chances are she will be if she has a social life. Go for week days. That's my opinion on that approach.

2) The instant no bullshit test is just give one time. If she wants to see you and/or isn't a total dolt (if she's interested) she will reschedule if the time you give doesn't work. If she doesn't then she wasn't interested. Girls who're actually interested will often tell you, "I'm busy that day, but what about tomorrow night/later in the week?" Just remember that with this approach, if they're interested, they'll be free when you ask or try to give you another window for a date because they actually do want to go out with you.

I've fucked up so many times leaving it up to the woman in question that I know to take charge now when setting dates. Be direct and to the point with texting. Use it to set up your meetings and little else. You can have conversations over text with her when she's your GF. Leave mystery so there's actually stuff to talk about on your date.
 
This. I find you can go about things one of two ways when you're setting dates:

1) Although some might think it comes off as eager, give two separate dates. Tell her something like "Let's ____. I'm busy most of the week but am free ____ and ____." This allows minimal back-and-forth because you're giving her two days to work with. Unlike the next approach, you don't have to over use texting to search for a time. Be realistic in your two days though, Friday and Saturday nights aren't usually good choices because you should already be busy those days. Chances are she will be if she has a social life. Go for week days. That's my opinion on that approach.

2) The instant no bullshit test is just give one time. If she wants to see you and/or isn't a total dolt (if she's interested) she will reschedule if the time you give doesn't work. If she doesn't then she wasn't interested. Girls who're actually interested will often tell you, "I'm busy that day, but what about tomorrow night/later in the week?" Just remember that with this approach, if they're interested, they'll be free when you ask or try to give you another window for a date because they actually do want to go out with you.

I've fucked up so many times leaving it up to the woman in question that I know to take charge now when setting dates. Be direct and to the point with texting. Use it to set up your meetings and little else. You can have conversations over text with her when she's your GF. Leave mystery so there's actually stuff to talk about on your date.

Listen to this man. ALWAYS BE THE ONE TO PICK A PLACE, DATE, AND TIME FOR A DATE
 
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