dacuk
Member
I hope this happens, so I can actually get one.
But Sony now has also to worry about Vita running PSP homebrew code:
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I hope this happens, so I can actually get one.
But Sony now has also to worry about Vita running PSP homebrew code:
test_account
XP-39C²
It would surprise me. Are there any cheaper alternatives that looks close to just as good, supports the same resolution and is pretty much just as power efficient?
It isnt much to worry about at this stage. It isnt much different than that Nintendo have to worry about that the 3DS runs DS homebrew. It has also been said that the PSP stuff can be patched.
I think it is at least more viable than the Vita. It will also streamline Sony's business model. Just one multipurpose Playstation, reasonably priced as a tablet and a gaming console.
bigtroyjon
Member
I expect that we will see Windows 8 tablets that do exactly this with 360 games but I don't think that would replace next gen.
AceBandage
Banned
There once was a system from Nantuckett...
I'm not, I was simply only looking at the hardware side of things.
Software is another matter alltogether.Gianni Merryman
Member
But to begin with Western software-houses have never had that much interest in handhelds and I don't think they're going to change their mind any soon; even with DS's huge success worldwide they couldn't care less, maybe it's just they are not able to come up with valid games suitable to platforms such as DS, that need a whole different strategy than home-consoles.
On the other hand Japanese software-houses have maybe a better understanding of handhelds' gaming philosophy than biggest Westerners developers, no surprise they are the ones bringing to the world games such as Wario ware, Pokemon and all those JRPGs.
And in the first place, as a matter of fact Western market like much more home-consoles than handhelds.
People in the West as a habit generally prefer to play in their living rooms on huge HDTVs rather than on tiny screens, and this makes a huge difference, so I don't believe it's just about the lack of games that are appealing to the Western market: if we look at PSP it was much more western-appealing - at least in its early stage - in my understanding than DS, yet we all know how it ended though.
With no sign of any shortages, I wonder if we could see the cumulative total for Vita fall behind the PSP relatively soon.
Which... would be very bad.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Poor Vita. MHP3rd HD Version could've really helped about now.
Nocturne 3DS, Devil Survivor 2 Overclocked, Etrian Odyssey IV. Plus Persona 5 on the HD twins and Persona 2ep for PSP.
No clue on Vita. Maybe more ports (Catherine, Trauma Team, etc)?
Nocturne 3DS, Devil Survivor 2 Overclocked, Etrian Odyssey IV. Plus Persona 5 on the HD twins and Persona 2ep for PSP.
No clue on Vita. Maybe more ports (Catherine, Trauma Team, etc)?
That, or the MH spin-off with the MH4 demo.
Or...something not so predictable: a brand new IP, with a certain original gameplay, good productions values, which uses the MH4 demo as one of the marketing angles.
makingmusic476
Member
It'll be interesting to see how Vita performs in the future. Monster Hunter should've been Sony's ace in the whole, but they fucked that up.
They need software, stat. Final Fantasy spin-offs, Tales games, whatever they can pay for. Their internal Japanese studios aren't enough to sell a system.
They need software, stat. Final Fantasy spin-offs, Tales games, whatever they can pay for. Their internal Japanese studios aren't enough to sell a system.
Vitas chance of getting western support depends largely on how easy it is to port PS3/360 games for it, and for how long those platforms will remaion relevant. If it is powerful enough to handle cross platform releases without too much of a downgrade it's possible that developers start adding a VITA SKU to their PS360PC games. But we don't really know if that's possible yet, and it certainly wont be possible once development moves on to the next generation of consoles. If it can prove there is a market for this type of games on a portable before then it might get some continued support, but as of now no western developer is going to make exclusive Vita games. Maybe there's a chance of it getting some indie support. I'm not sure if we've heard anything about Sonys stance on indie development or if there'll be a follow up to the PSP minis brand.
slaughterking
Member
Well, yeah. I agree with pretty much everything you say. I don't unterstand what we are talking about anymore, though!?
To get back to the earlier point: I don't think the early Japan launch did anything for the Vita. They have not launched with a strong line-up that appeals to Japan, they have not secured any meaningful Japanese support (that we know of) and the Vita launch was overall just very unimpressive, which is surely not making a good first impression and wont create any confidence. If Japanese 3rd party games are strategically important in the grander scheme Sony is doing a bad job to somehow acknowledge that with their actions.
It's like the Vita is just kind of there and Sony doesn't know what to do with it.
AceBandage
Banned
And that just makes Vita's situation even worse...
The 3DS didn't have amazing software at launch and it still sold pretty well.
Of course the 3DS also had Mario and MK7 on the horizon. The Vita has...
test_account
XP-39C²
The Vita line up was good, but it did not have many big seller games.
slaughterking
Member
It was arguably better. Not by far, but Layton and Nintendogs are two pretty strong franchises. At least they used to be pretty strong.
There's a difference between quality and marketability in face of extreme competition. Vita's launch lineup is alright in Japan, but it doesn't have any title at the same level of popularity as Nintendogs, or Layton which makes the struggle to compete against all of the other software coming out on PS3, PSP, and 3DS difficult.
cj_iwakura
Member
The Vita overall has a solid launch lineup, I think.
As compared to the likes of Steel Diver and ports, anyway.
(Nintendogs+cats as a $250 worthy launch title? Really? Yeah, enjoy that for all of two hours before you get bored.)
Give it time. I do think they geared the launch games more towards westerners, strangely enough.
As compared to the likes of Steel Diver and ports, anyway.
(Nintendogs+cats as a $250 worthy launch title? Really? Yeah, enjoy that for all of two hours before you get bored.)
Give it time. I do think they geared the launch games more towards westerners, strangely enough.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I keep seeing this a lot. It really does not matter at all how the Vita compares to the launch 3DS lineup. Vita is not competing with launch 3DS lineup. It's competing with the present 3DS lineup which features the 2 big Mario titles and MonHun. It's obviously not much a competition.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Well at least the Vita has the advantage of being a port dumpster for the HD consoles.
That should ensure that it will still have games coming even if it stays on its Gamecube path.
makingmusic476
Member
Actually, the Vita struggling early on could be a great thing. The ps3's struggles in the west made Sony kickstart internal development in the west. Sony didn't feel the need to put a similar level of effort into Japan because all the big third party games were still essentially ps3 exclusive. Maybe struggling like this will make them realize they need Japanese first party studios too.
SCEJ is a fucking joke, to be honest. I don't want to undersell Polyphony and Japan Studio, because they're two excellent studios, but they're only two studios. They can only do so much, and SCEJ hasn't been aggressive enough in pursuing other talent. Why didn't they go after, say, Platinum Games like SCEA/SCEE went after companies like Media Molecule? And why'd they leave From Software in the dust?
And I still think the Legend of Dragoon was a missed opportunity for them. Yeah, it was a pretty sophomoric effort, but they could've recruited more talent and built upon what was a pretty solid base for a JRPG franchise.
SCEJ is a fucking joke, to be honest. I don't want to undersell Polyphony and Japan Studio, because they're two excellent studios, but they're only two studios. They can only do so much, and SCEJ hasn't been aggressive enough in pursuing other talent. Why didn't they go after, say, Platinum Games like SCEA/SCEE went after companies like Media Molecule? And why'd they leave From Software in the dust?
And I still think the Legend of Dragoon was a missed opportunity for them. Yeah, it was a pretty sophomoric effort, but they could've recruited more talent and built upon what was a pretty solid base for a JRPG franchise.
AceBandage
Banned
A new Legend of Dragoon would sell me a Vita at any price.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I think cannibalizing PS3 is the way forward. Sort of like what they did with Mingol 6, bring the "main" series for PS3 franchises to Vita as the transition path, either exclusively or HD-multi, and focus on stuff Nintendo hasn't nabbed yet. This means stuff like Yakuza 5, Dynasty Warriors 8, PES2013 lead, FFXV, Tales of next, GT6, etc. I think this is their best shot at Vita co-existing with 3DS and also has the added benefit of fending off Wii U until PS4 is ready.
From a sales perspective it was a lot better, at least in theory. It had Layton and Nintendogs; two million selling franchises. Though one is in decline and the other completely failed.
slaughterking
Member
Because they prefer to give Level 5 money and let them produce WKC. Who knows why.
But really, Platinum and From produce pretty niche software. Barely selling 1 million copies worldwide and most of that outside of Japan. I don't think any first party really needs them in their portfolio.
I'm inclined to agree, but one franchise gives me pause: Tales. It does seem that there is a clear slant in favour of Sony systems for those titles, although in many cases there's no inherent inferiority of the iterations which come out on other manufacturer's systems.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
I'm not so sure about that. With demos available on the eShop, and the fact that the MH3G had its demo on the eShop, it'd be more likely MH4 demo will be there too. I suppose they could put the demo on both a 'best' card and online, but with the online one being free, seems it'd be less of a selling point to put it on the card.
makingmusic476
Member
Dark Souls shipped 1.5 million with Namco publishing the game. Namco. I'm sure if Sony had used even a fraction of their first party muscle on that game, it could've done equal or better, even if it were ps3 exclusive.
Hell, if Sony had actually bothered with Demon's Souls, it probably would've broken a million, and Dark Souls would've had the potential to do even better.
Not at any price for me...but enough to actually buy one. Instead Sony will announce they have another Syphon Filter/God of War game or something.
The Wii didn't have the audience for Tales, and I'm not talking about Sony fans. And so far as handhelds go, I think the notion that it's a franchise more tailored to a console audience makes sense. Where they can go all in with the voice work, animated sequences, and whatnot.
Even so far as handhelds go the PSP was able to provide that experience better than the DS.
cj_iwakura
Member
I look forward to the multi-console sale results, myself(like Good People Die being on 3DS and PSV).
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
mentioned this elsewhere but here's the simple equation -
The lowest cost you can get into a Vita for , with one game is (using RRP) :
Wifi model : 24800 yen
+
4 GB card : 2200 yen
+
Dark Quest : 2800 yen
= 29,800 yen
ALTERNATIVELY, you can get the following :
3DS : 15,000 yen
+
Mario Land : 4,800 yen
+
Mario Kart 7 : 4,800 yen
+
Monster Hunter Tri G : 5,800 yen
= 30,400 yen
Just let that sink in a bit....
I agree completely... but that's an irrelevant metric.
The relevant question is whether the price is right for the game library they offer; current and future. And it appears that it is not.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Don't forget the Dead Rising poster, and the ham sandwhich.
To which:
And I agree with father_brain here and disagree with Opiate. The fact that opinion can quickly swing around doesn't account for the fact that 3DS was expected to do well prior to launch and that it is doing well at the moment. The same cannot be said for the PS Vita. Except for diehard PSV fans, most commentators and analysts were saying that the Vita is stuck between a rock and a hard place. I went through a lot of the details for why I think so in this post.
Exactly. Even with over 16 millions units sold and plenty of early enthusiasm, the PSP did not get an A list of games. Therefore we can't expect for Vita coming from the back of a poor launch to end up with a matching 16 million units sold after 5 years and be any better off. Yes there are many variables here but I'm sticking to the most obvious scenario.
Yeah. 3rded. My eyes are bleeding too but I had to gauge the reactions.
The relevant question is whether the system is priced right for the masses. Obviously, the Vita, like the 3DS at launch, is not.
Smiles and Cries
Member
how many examples of this multi-console release can we look forward to?
I don't know this game you posted but Level-5 has a game that is 3DS/Vita
slaughterking
Member
I doubt it. The Souls games are simply games with a rather limited appeal and Bamco marketed Dark Souls pretty well from what I can tell. Putting more money into the marketing would have very diminishing returns.
cj_iwakura
Member
It's the 999 sequel, from Chunsoft.
Smiles and Cries
Member
Oh, I don't remember 999 being on PSP so I'll have to give the win to 3DS
3DS version should easily outsell the Vita one.
The Time Travelers is PSP/3DS/Vita
Level-5 seems desperate to want to make that work.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Who cares about the 3DS? The real winner this week is Kirby Returns to Dreamland. Talk about legs of fucking steel!
cj_iwakura
Member
I'd rather get the Vita version, because it looks like a game I'd want in widescreen format. (Also the comparison screens were no contest.)
Smiles and Cries
Member
PSP too, :|
I hope they lose a lot of money on that, its good for the fans but come on man choose your base! Thats why Ni no Kuni is struggling on PS3
This year, so far, has 3 million sellers -- Famitsu:
[3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo) {2011-12-01} - 1,082,391 / 1,082,391
[3DS] Super Mario 3D Land (Nintendo) {2011-11-03} - 1,042,511 / 1,042,511
[PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom 3 (Capcom) {2010-12-01} - 1,020,986 / 4,501,975
MH3G did it not make it for Famitsu. (There still a chance it'll cross 1 million in 2011 for Media-Create.)
Anyway, we're led back again to comparing with 2005, the last time there were so few and the no. 1 sold so low:
Famitsu 2005:
[NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) {2005-11-23} - 1,169,757 / 1,169,757
[PS2] Gran Turismo 4 (SCE) {2004-12-28} - 1,066,749 / 1,066,749
[NDS] Brain Training (Nintendo) {2005-05-19} - 1,011,341 / 1,011,341
[3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo) {2011-12-01} - 1,082,391 / 1,082,391
[3DS] Super Mario 3D Land (Nintendo) {2011-11-03} - 1,042,511 / 1,042,511
[PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom 3 (Capcom) {2010-12-01} - 1,020,986 / 4,501,975
MH3G did it not make it for Famitsu. (There still a chance it'll cross 1 million in 2011 for Media-Create.)
Anyway, we're led back again to comparing with 2005, the last time there were so few and the no. 1 sold so low:
Famitsu 2005:
[NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) {2005-11-23} - 1,169,757 / 1,169,757
[PS2] Gran Turismo 4 (SCE) {2004-12-28} - 1,066,749 / 1,066,749
[NDS] Brain Training (Nintendo) {2005-05-19} - 1,011,341 / 1,011,341
I want to say SCE published more than that on PSP, but some must've not charted. I did a localization wall of shame a while back and I swear Sony published a lot of anime licensed games.
Well it's a sequel to a DS exclusive, and the Vita will have a significantly smaller userbase than the 3DS.