Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012

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Exterminieren said:
Nonsense. The media doesn't bring up the Wii U at the moment because it doesn't need to, and that's absolutely fine. A blowout is planned for E3, and, frankly, it matters very little what people think now. Consoles are not bought and sold off of hype from a year and a half in advance; see 3DS for ample proof of that.

Being forced to show off the console before they were ready is what led to that E3 showing in the first place. Far better that they keep their cards close to their chest at this point and lay them out at E3, where people are watching.

First impressions don't matter a crap in console releases. Wii was revealed by being held up at the end of a conference with no further information of any kind being revealed for another 6 months, and that ended up turning out alright.

If Iwata comes out at E3 and shows off the likes of Mario and Smash Bros. in HD, that'll bring the hype easily. Your narrative of only Nintendo fans caring about those franchises is not backed up by any actual facts of any kind; one simply needs to look at the 3DS upswing that Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart brought to see that.

Really, assuming that Wii U launches in November, in what way is 6 months not enough time to hype the games and get the message across? Again, it worked for the Wii.
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I'm not using the 3DS as proof of anything. the 3DS is a handheld. Nintendo's position in the console market has always been a vastly different thing. Besides, I find it funny that everybody wants to point to the recent upswing the 3DS has had while seemingly ignoring the near-third that was chopped off its price to make it happen.

And I think it matters a lot what people think about a console - and negative perception is something that has haunted Nintendo consoles for several gens now. Right now the general perception of the Wii U is that it's hardware that's only a half-step above a 360 and will only get ports of old games and Mii titles. People following this thread know that it's very likely this isn't true at all, but by being so quiet all Nintendo is doing is letting people who don't follow the speculation get comfortable in the idea that the Wii U won't be worth paying attention to.

The Wii U wasn't built up on good hype to start with. Unlike the Wii, the Wii U's unveiling was an absolute mess that left more of a negative impression than anything. By continuing to be so mum, I'm afraid that Nintendo is putting themselves in a position where they'll pretty much HAVE to blow the roof off E3 to get people's attention. Anything less and people will be content to just think of the Wii U as a stop-gap console that'll only get ports of PS360 games, however false that impression may be.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
Why do people think they were FORCED?

They really did not have to show a thing, Project Cafe leaks could have just stayed Project Cafe and no one would know the truth until E3 2012

It would have confused the hell out of MS and Sony not that Spies do not exist
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Nintendo actually did plan to show games running on the system, but pulled that idea at the last minute.

Microsoft and Sony would have found out about the Wii U as soon as Nintendo began to share more information with third party developers. Nintendo's most valuable secrets will not be the specs and screen, but the actual games.. which is why Nintendo NDA'ed everyone about them.
 
3DS did come out too soon they should had waiting but maybe wanting the 3DS out long before Wii U its not a good idea to have two new hardware out in more or less the same year
 
BY2K said:
Even if there's leaks, it won't be anything new. Nintendo said the Wii U at CES will be the same presentation that the one at E3 for people that wasn't there.
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and... u... believed them? O_o

something new will be said man, how many devkit updates have come out since E3?
You can't just present old stuff
 
@royalan

That's such complete utter nonsense. That was the first showing of the Wii U, not its commercial debut. There's an enormous difference. Public perception is mediocre right now, yes, but until the thing actually comes to market or shortly before it does, that's going to make almost no impact. The overwhelming majority of consumers have no idea what the Wii U is and wont until they see it on store shelves. Gamers are also incredibly fickle. The media will report on relevant news, it's not like they're going to be spewing E3 2011 reels over and over again 2012. If nintendo has an impressive show next year, people will cease to remember 2011 because it'll be completely and utterly irrelevant.
 
I seriously am so excited for the full revealing of the Wii U. I don't know what it is but my hype and excitement level for this system went from 'lol its just an updated Wii with 360 tech haha' to OMG I WANT THIS. The 3DS is seriously becoming one of my favorite systems due to Mario Kart. It's just freaking addicting. The fact that we will finally be getting Nintendo IP's in HD? Give me give me give me (yes, I am aware of Dolphin).
 
AzaK said:
AFAIK out of core isn't a particular algorithm or new discovery. It's just a method for having more data in your game than can fit into memory. Games have technically been out of core for years and years.

Now, having a specialist in this sort of thing is good of course but in and of itself, out of core isn't a panacea. The biggest thing I get from Retro hiring an out of core expert means to me they are working on a large open world/high data type game and that's intruiging.
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It's definitely been around along time. While looking up stuff on it, I found a paper that dated back to the mid-70s about it.

But yeah I do look forward to seeing how this influences the look of the games.




Credit to drkcharizard on IGN boards for the find.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/12/29/122911-tech-gaming-wii-appstore/

Nintendo stealthily building app store for its next-gen console

Nintendo’s next game console, the Wii U, is months away from launch, but its touchscreen controller is already turning heads — and The Daily has learned that Nintendo plans to implement a full-blown app store for the system.

Nintendo currently maintains repositories that act as “light” app stores: The DSi Shop for its portables, and the Wii Shop for its current console. Most of its apps are games and basic utilities like Mario Calculator. The Wii U’s as-yet-unnamed store will go far beyond this, proffering a wider variety of apps, said a person familiar with the matter.

Wii U owners will be able to use apps that operate on the Wii U itself, such as MLB.TV, and others that run independently on the Wii U’s controller. Given its tablet-like design and 6.2-inch screen, it’s not hard to imagine being able to check email, browse the Web, post to social networks and even get some gaming in.

It’s unknown whether Nintendo plans to monetize its app store with a points system, which it currently uses for WiiWare and DSiWare, or with a more Apple-like pay-to-play system.
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guek said:
@royalan

That's such complete utter nonsense. That was the first showing of the Wii U, not its commercial debut. There's an enormous difference. Public perception is mediocre right now, yes, but until the thing actually comes to market or shortly before it does, that's going to make almost no impact. The overwhelming majority of consumers have no idea what the Wii U is and wont until they see it on store shelves. Gamers are also incredibly fickle. The media will report on relevant news, it's not like they're going to be spewing E3 2011 reels over and over again 2012. If nintendo has an impressive show next year, people will cease to remember 2011 because it'll be completely and utterly irrelevant.
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...Are you seriously suggesting that Nintendo shouldn't worry about branding and the public perception of the Wii U until after it's released? Now THAT's complete nonsense.

Personally, I think I'll be impressed with the Wii U's second showing. But I'm a Nintendo fan. There's no denying that Nintendo has some ground to make up after its first showing, which left a bad taste in the mouth of the demographic Nintendo claims to be targeting this time around. That demographic knows about the Wii U and has been sitting on that first impression with nothing to dissuade them for months now. And now it's quite possible that next gen is starting a lot sooner than most people anticipated. Nintendo might not have the time to warm people up to Wii U if MS (and maybe even Sony) have plans on crashing the party. Nintendo is in the position where they can't just have a good showing at E3. They have to have to have a great one. And they probably shouldn't wait until E3.

I still think it would have been a better strategy to be more open about the console after they let the cat out of the bag. But hey - only time will tell, I guess.
 
royalan said:
...Are you seriously suggesting that Nintendo shouldn't worry about branding and the public perception of the Wii U until after it's released? Now THAT's complete nonsense.

Personally, I think I'll be impressed with the Wii U's second showing. But I'm a Nintendo fan. There's no denying that Nintendo has some ground to make up after its first showing, which left a bad taste in the mouth of the demographic Nintendo claims to be targeting this time around. That demographic knows about the Wii U and has been sitting on that first impression with nothing to dissuade them for months now. And now it's quite possible that next gen is starting a lot sooner than most people anticipated. Nintendo might not have the time to warm people up to Wii U if MS (and maybe even Sony) have plans on crashing the party. Nintendo is in the position where they can't just have a good showing at E3. They have to have to have a great one.

I still think it would have been a better strategy to be more open about the console after they let the cat out of the bag. But hey - only time will tell, I guess.
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I think the point is - you can't argue with facts. If at E3 the videos of Wii U games clearly provide imagery that proves the Wii U is way stronger than the pseudo internet savvy, semi dude bro populace expected, Nintendo is golden.
 
-WindYoshi- said:
I think the point is - you can't argue with facts. If at E3 the videos of Wii U games clearly provide imagery that proves the Wii U is way stronger than the pseudo internet savvy semi dude bro populace expected, Nintendo is golden.
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I agree, but tell that to my precious Gamecube ;_;

The Gamecube was a little beast of a console with several great and mature titles under its belt by the end of its life cycle...but even in the end it was still seen a kiddy machine that was weaker than even the PS2 because Nintendo let that perception stick too long before they addressed it.

If Nintendo wants to start this thing off right I think they need to do so by attacking all the negative perception. This E3 I think they need to show at least one game that looks leagues beyond anything the PS3 or 360 could do. Both visually and with the WiiPad. They're past the point of "on par".
 
qq more said:
I think they said at least twice as powerful? I really forgot. Someone please correct me on this.

EDIT: Somehow I thought I was in the Media Creates thread. No idea why. LOL
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We don't know, that's just the problem. But it IS more powerful than the current gen leaders - and speculated to be 3x as powerful, all told.
 
TheNatural said:
MLB.tv is badass if they get that going. Except for the ridiculous prices of everything.
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This was one of the earlier things I wondered if the console would have. That makes it sound to be better than what I expected from Nintendo. I look forward to hearing what else will be available in the store.
 
royalan said:
I agree, but tell that to my precious Gamecube ;_;

The Gamecube was a little beast of a console with several great and mature titles under its belt by the end of its life cycle...but even in the end it was still seen a kiddy machine that was weaker than even the PS2 because Nintendo let that perception stick too long before they addressed it.

If Nintendo wants to start this thing off right I think they need to do so by attacking all the negative perception. This E3 I think they need to show at least one game that looks leagues beyond anything the PS3 or 360 could do. Both visually and with the WiiPad. They're past the point of "on par".
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I think a great way to start combating this problem would be with the announcement of GTAV for Wii U. It's just a matter of waiting to see if Reggie's balls have grown enough since last time to procure the title... and even if that's not the case, I have an inkling suspicion that money hat wielding Ninjas on a journey from the land of the rising sun have already made their way over.
 
-WindYoshi- said:
I think a great way to start combating this problem would be with the announcement of GTAV for Wii U. It's just a matter of waiting to see if Reggie's balls have grown enough since last time to procure the title... and even if that's not the case, I have an inkling suspicion that money hat wielding Ninjas on a journey from the land of the rising sun have already made their way over.
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And I hope some of those ninjas are making their way to Blizzard's campus.

With all those job postings and speculation it's definitely only a matter of time before Blizzard games come to consoles. And Diablo 3, Starcraft 2 and Warcraft on the Wii U with full tablet hotkey support would be...just, so fucking good...
 
bgassassin said:
Credit to drkcharizard on IGN boards for the find.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/12/29/122911-tech-gaming-wii-appstore/
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Good to hear, even if it's just a rumour. I'd expect they'll go with a real-money store, after having made the sensible decision to ditch the whole Nintendo points system for the 3DS.

-WindYoshi- said:
I think a great way to start combating this problem would be with the announcement of GTAV for Wii U. It's just a matter of waiting to see if Reggie's balls have grown enough since last time to procure the title... and even if that's not the case, I have an inkling suspicion that money hat wielding Ninjas on a journey from the land of the rising sun have already made their way over.
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I'd pretty much guarantee that we'll see GTA V on the Wii U. For a game that expensive to make, there's very little downside to doing a quick and easy port of the XBox360 version, and bumping up the resolution/framerate/LOD/etc. Barring a money-hat from Nintendo, I wouldn't expect very much effort to be put into the Wii U version, but there'll definitely be a Wii U version.
 
kenji said:
oh god
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ClovingSteam said:
Really? Please tell me you're joking.
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Again, I'm pretty sure this guy called the Wii a traditional generational leap.

EDIT: Yep.


MDX said:
Why do people keep saying the Wii was underpowered?
It was a normal step up from the last generation.
What do you expect for a $250 console? It was designed to last
five years.

Its Sony and MS that decided to break the trend and
sell overly priced consoles at a loss for a 10 year console cycle.

WiiU could very well be a normal step up from the Wii.
That might look underpowered to some, but it makes good
business sense in the long run.

Now we see that MS and Sony feel threatened by the WiiU.
And have shifted their new consoles for earlier launches than planned.
If rumors are to be believed. Keeping up with Nintendo will cost them.
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The touchscreen controller is going to revolutionize the game. I'm 99% certain Sony is going to 'borrow' this idea for PS4. ;)
 
TAS said:
The touchscreen controller is going to revolutionize the game. I'm 99% certain Sony is going to 'borrow' this idea for PS4. ;)
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I doubt it. They're just going to claim that PSVita connectivity does the same thing, ignoring the fact that the feature will get almost zero use unless they pack a Vita in with every PS4.
 
wsippel said:
It's about having more data in a single scene or asset than can fit into memory, not just the whole game. A simple example would be an ultra high resolution image that doesn't fit into memory at once. An out-of-core algorithm would basically scan the whole file and only read an interpolated subset of pixels into memory - just as many as required to display a certain section of the image at a certain zoom level and output resolution.
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Sure, but my point still stands. It's not an algorithm from heaven it's just a word used to describe a way to have more info in your game (whatever than 'info' is) than can be held in memory.

bgassassin said:
It's definitely been around along time. While looking up stuff on it, I found a paper that dated back to the mid-70s about it.

But yeah I do look forward to seeing how this influences the look of the games.
Credit to drkcharizard on IGN boards for the find.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/12/29/122911-tech-gaming-wii-appstore/
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Nice find! I assumed with the new controller it would have to do much more than games. I imagine it will still be controlled and have extremely limited acces from approved devs, but it's something. If Nintendo could crack how to open up development to anyone like Ape but not cause a plummet to the bottom of stupid pricing and invisibility in the store that would be amazing, but I have no clue how that could be done and keep the ecosystem healthy for both Nintendo, devs and the industry.
 
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