Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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Why, "a person familiar with the matter" of course.
Thing is, not only is the article itself terrible and overall unsubstantial (as expected from News Corporation), it's not even news to begin with. Yes, Nintendo will do just that. They did it on the Wii, they did it on the DSi, they do it on 3DS, and they will do it on Wii U as well. Nintendo calls it "eShop" these days. There's nothing in the article that wasn't already known or at the very least expected.
The removal of obstacles is what made the Wii successful. Motion controls were the method by which Nintendo chose to do that, but it's not the only way to do it. In fact, I would say the Wii U has even more potential - 'potential' being a vile, frightening word - than the Wii did, app store or no.
Tarin02543
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Yeah, they need to use the word app as to have any relevance to the current consumer.
Not only that, Nintendo obviously isn't against "real" applications on their shops, either. There are several music production tools like Rytmik on DSiWare and the upcoming Colors! on eShop. There's stuff like that TV guide channel on Wii in Japan, the BBC app in the UK, Netflix and Hulu in the US. And if Microsoft wanted to port Skype for example, I doubt Nintendo would stop them.
PuppetSlave
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Ok, maybe my cold is making me really stupid but what really if you get down to it would the difference be between an app store and what they have for 3DS?
Fairly sure they don't mean an app store in the sense of many developers releasing what they like. They mean a multi-functional system accessible via the second screen, which is a *huge* change from previous consoles.
All these things and more, accessible all the time (even with the system in low-power/semi-standby):
-friends list/messaging
-wii no ma TV network (which they continue to invest hugely in in Japan, now with home shopping, even considering the current uptake of new wii users... it's practise.)
-wii shopping channel
-virtual console
-everybody votes style stupidity
It is for Nintendo about realising the missed potential of Wii Channels. Everything Iwata has said about the second screen concept, the hassle of turning on the TV/contention for the living room TV has pointed towards it.
Expecting them to try and compete in an app-store sense - notably when so many apps are so successful largely because they are portable - seems like the wrong alley to look down.
All these things and more, accessible all the time (even with the system in low-power/semi-standby):
-friends list/messaging
-wii no ma TV network (which they continue to invest hugely in in Japan, now with home shopping, even considering the current uptake of new wii users... it's practise.)
-wii shopping channel
-virtual console
-everybody votes style stupidity
It is for Nintendo about realising the missed potential of Wii Channels. Everything Iwata has said about the second screen concept, the hassle of turning on the TV/contention for the living room TV has pointed towards it.
Expecting them to try and compete in an app-store sense - notably when so many apps are so successful largely because they are portable - seems like the wrong alley to look down.
Yeah, appstore? What makes iOS & Android appstore revolutionary are their extremely low barriers of entry and regulation. Just re-branding the Wiiware store and lessening it's technical limitations... we get 3DSware with maybe an account system.
Edit: Both approaches have their pro's and con's, I'm not advocating for either with this post.
Edit: Both approaches have their pro's and con's, I'm not advocating for either with this post.
The barrier of entry is much higher on eShop. Nintendo only accepts developers with a proven track record or studios backed by an approved publisher. You´re also required to have your stuff rated, and your software needs to conform to certain standards. And you need special development hardware.
Is there any suggestion it would change for Wii U?
Smiles and Cries
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It was Fisher Price Purple! :|
I loved the spice orange one but it was Japan only.
Seriously Nintendo went purple and back then fanboys were really really immature so little kids did not lik anything that reminded them of being little kids. They wanted to be big and cool. PS2 was slick and black that made it cool.
Gamecube was the best designed console Nintendo ever did but image was a killer.
Its not so much as important today, they could get away with launching Purple these days.
I agree with this. The Gamecube was an amazing console but the handle and purple color made it look too much like a baby toy.
They shot themselves in the foot right out of the gate.
GameCube's name and design was rather gimmicky. Don''t get me wrong, in the end I loved everything about it. My launch color was black and I honestly still to this day adore the controller and how comfortable and effective it was with game's designed around it.
In reality however the Wii continued and fulfilled the GameCube's greatness.
In reality however the Wii continued and fulfilled the GameCube's greatness.
That's the right thing for sony to do anyway. In the end both manufacturers are working on technology, handheld and home, that share information in such a way, as has apple. I think all approaches are welcomed, however, Nintendo is pushing the gameplay possibilities first, as opposed to getting handheld tech powerful enough to do so.
I felt that the Wii was kind of was part II to the whole GameCube era of Nintendo. Just as awesome, if not better (at times). Backwards compatibility sure makes it feel that way too. You can't tell the difference between the two and such a cheap and simple machine that gives you access to a library of modern classics.
I don't expect too many significant third party successes on the Wii U either. Well, not games, but online services and some break out dowdloabable stuff. I am not surprised to hear about MLB.tv and expecting Nintendo to be on top of emerging digital service markets.
-Pyromaniac-
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I adored the gamecube but could not summon the will to give a shit about the wii, as a console.
blu
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What needs to change is not the threshold of admission to the DD store but the threshold of access to devkits. WiiU needs to have a 'tinker mode' where quasi-licensed/unlicensed devs could prototype ideas and techniques without actually committing with a multi-thousand $ investment in a real devkit.
woo and indeed hoo
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Nope. Sorry Vinci but I can't let that slide.
There were no obstacles. I know this because I was told this quite emphatically by a Forum I used to post on. The traditional controller e.g. Playstation, with its 20 odd distinct inputs was no deterrent at all to the non gamer. The waggle wand was just a stupid gimmick for an underpowered console that would be crushed by the mighty Playstation brand.
I did point out that I came back to gaming with the N64 after not having touched a single video game since the Space Invaders arcade era and that I was initially intimidated by the N64 controller. So much so that it made me feel stupid. "How do I hold it?" "What button do I press?" "I'm leaning to go round the corner but my kart isn't? What's wrong?"
However, to a man they were adamant, so I had to bow to the consensus. After all they were veteran video game players. They were experts, right? What did I, a no0b gamer know?
*cough*
At least it wasn't called Star Cube.
*shudders*
In respect of apps on the Wii U I am heartened both by the quality of Pull Blox and the fact that Miyamoto is 'retiring'. No disrespect meant to him but his 'overseer' role has been a double edged sword I feel. If he is going to step back somewhat and give other Nintendo staff more of their head I am hopeful that they will blossom more and we will have a wider palette of software and design choices as a result. I suspect that they have been somewhat overshadowed by him and his design ethos. Don't get me wrong, I love the results of that but I want to see what they can do without complying absolutely to his design ethos and tastes.
AceBandage
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Miyamoto will still have plenty of input on big projects. You can bet on that.
However, most of his efforts will be on smaller, newer games.
And that is good for everyone.
Nintendo is expanding, creating new offices and getting new employees.
Put them to work with Miyamoto on a bunch of smaller games that blow people away and release them in a steady stream.
However, most of his efforts will be on smaller, newer games.
And that is good for everyone.
Nintendo is expanding, creating new offices and getting new employees.
Put them to work with Miyamoto on a bunch of smaller games that blow people away and release them in a steady stream.
i miss grey consoles
EU SNES 4 life yo!
grey sega saturn is still the sexiset console ever
AceBandage
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ClovingWestbrook
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1) The reason this gen is lasting longer is due to the economy so hopefully it will be different next go around.
2) Both the PS3/360 hardware wise are as old as dirt and it shows
3) The Wii was outdated a few years into its life but the 360/PS3 should've been replaced a couple of years ago.
4) I'd rather a console come out every 5 years than having to wait 7.
360: released in 2005, 720 expected to be released in 2013
AceBandage
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richman555
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They're probably slashing specs as we speak to meet a lower price point *ducks*
bgassassin
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Smiles and Cries
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Wii U to run iOS and a 1 year life cycle
I think the original Wii was a stop gap that performed beyond their wildest dreams.
Whats wrong with that?
Exterminieren
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One hell of a long stopgap, there.
If it lasts as long as Wii, can it really be called a stopgap?
Sure, and went on longer than they initially intended/expected.
Though I don't doubt their strategy of the Wii, I think they got lucky a lot when it came to appeal and sales. They tested a new market and it paid off immensely.
Now they need to bung the gap whilst they gather something else together. Something with a little more thought an effort.
I, and many others like myself, was hoping for a more complete experience this generation, instead of constantly guessing what's around the corner once more.
The WiiU is looking great, and I can't wait to buy one.
Yet It's left me feeling a little... underwhelmed? Maybe that's too strong a word, but I'm anticipating the system after the WiiU... and that's not a good thing.
lol i know ur prob joking but ninty doesn't have the cult following to do this
This this this.
This is why I think Nintendo needs to be competitive this time around. They already had their stop gap console with the Wii, and sold 80 million plus units on a console that was in many ways just an overclocked Gamecube while the competition did full generational leaps.
Exterminieren
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It's really hard to judge hype for the Wii U when we've seen precisely zero software for it.
It's impossible to know Nintendo's strategy for this console at the moment, so anticipating that it'll be neglected and swiftly replaced is incredibly premature.
It's impossible to know Nintendo's strategy for this console at the moment, so anticipating that it'll be neglected and swiftly replaced is incredibly premature.
specialguy
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Huh? So in, the incredibly, almost impossibly unlikely event 720 releases in 2012 instead of 2013, you win by a whopping single year and it only "lasted" 7? (That's if you dont count the probably PS2 like tail of who knows how many more years).
...Is your avatar giving me the finger? D:
Smiles and Cries
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no info tend to leave you feeling underwhelmed
I don't see nothing wrong with a 4-5 year life cycle for the Wii U
New Chips + New Kindle Fires will push Nintendo to innovate
I don't see nothing wrong with a 4-5 year life cycle for the Wii U
New Chips + New Kindle Fires will push Nintendo to innovate
Forsaken82
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... So every generation up to this current one has been stop gap is what you are trying to say? The original Xbox was only 4 years... was that a stop gap console?
Smiles and Cries
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yes, yes it was... all of them are if we are honest
that is how we justify our upgrades to the new one
specialguy
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I'm pretty sure decisions as monumental and expensive as consoles are never thought out as "stopgaps". With all the speeches about blue ocean and whatnot it's clear Nintendo thought out the Wii pretty carefully.
My question is, if as I expect, and it seems several of you expect given these "stopgap" comments, the Wii U is a colossal, unmitigated failure, what then? Does Nintendo have the kahones to bring out a traditional, expensive, high spec console, likely at some expense, 2-3 years into the PS4/XB720 life cycles, one that would need to trump those consoles in power by some margin to gain any traction (given those consoles will already be established with good libraries)? I'm not so sure they do. So I'm really not sure what will happen.
If that scenario did happen though, it will throw a lot into chaos. The reason this gen was so long was because everybody was reasonably happy with their lot, and saw no need to introduce a succesor (Nintendo only now being the first). If someone gets their butt kicked next gen, they'll likely bring out a new console mid-gen, and possibly shorten next gen considerably. As the example scenario illustrated:
Wii U 2012 (fails)
XB720 2013
PS4 2014
Next Gen Nintendo, (significantly higher specced than PS4/XB720, as dubious as I am it will happen due to Nintendo's aversion to expensive tech, lets presume it does) 2016
Now what? PS4/XB720 may not be able to last anywhere near 7-8 years as PS360 did...
jump_button
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Some where calling for a Wii HD one year in with Wii :/
-Pyromaniac-
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If the Wii-U is a failure nintendo will dip into their war-chest and make it not a failure. They'll drop the price a ton, accelerate game making and marketing as much as possible, money hat whatever they can.
We already learned that nintendo in panic mode goes all the fuck out.
We already learned that nintendo in panic mode goes all the fuck out.
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