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Sony in big trouble with PS Vita, Portable market in perm decline, rotting - Forbes

249 + 19.99 + 49.99 = 319.99 + tax = 334.99?

Awesome math skills man.

Depends on region, price, memory card, Vita model(wifi or 3g), etc. . .

They beat your selective reading skills. Also the 8gb stick is 44.99 in the US.

Huh? If you want to argue that it's overpriced, first, know the actual price. Do you think they should be selling it at a loss, selling different and cheaper hardware, giving up the market entirely, or something else?

As a consumer why should I care about what they pay for it? They should be smart enough to price a handheld system properly. The market already gave Nintendo the big "fuck you" to an $250 portable. And they gave you the memory for free.
 
Surprised so many people are focused on the price of the Vita itself. That's not too bad. Those game prices however... Yikes.
 
I really think this is an outdated sentiment.

Nope, not at all. Since we're all pulling out the anecdotes, I have not seen someone over the age of 10 using a handheld ever. If you think they aren't looked at as kids' toys by the general public, then you're delusional.
 
Nope, not at all. Since we're all pulling out the anecdotes, I have not seen someone over the age of 10 using a handheld ever. If you think they aren't looked at as kids' toys by the general public, then you're delusional.

I see older people using them everyday. I guess where you live is a tad bit backwoods.

Maybe that was harsh. What I mean is it's far more common to see them in more metropolitan areas.
 
It is inevitable that the casual audience will splinter and some will be pleased enough with their smart phone's offerings, and as such not purchase a dedicated handheld gaming system.
 
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Eastside, not sold out -
Heaving the Vita Order
wait till price goes down,
Heaving the Vita Order
Famitsu i've just read
and 3DS just got the mo-hunter
No good games comin out
Heaving the Vita Order
Come On!
Heaving the Vita Order

Post of the year, just in time for voting.
 
Man, some of you are so out of touch. It's crazy. Whether the Vita will out and out bomb is another sorry, but it ain't 2005 anymore and handhelds are gonna have a hard making the same kind of traction from last generation.

I really can't see the Vita succeeding anywhere outside Japan. Dedicated handhelds are going the way to the Dodo.

But some of you guys just have your head in the sand.

Stop acting as if business analysis is a personal attack on your favorite company.
 
Depends on region, price, memory card, Vita model(wifi or 3g), etc. . .

They beat your selective reading skills. Also the 8gb stick is 44.99 in the US.



As a consumer why should I care about what they pay for it? They should be smart enough to price a handheld system properly. The market already gave Nintendo the big "fuck you" to an $250 portable. And they gave you the memory for free.

You sound upset. 3DS was marketed ridiculously dumb and no games worth shaking a stick at were available like they are now. PLUS Vita hardware at $249 is a fucking steal unfortunately the world is out of work thus the penny pinching.3DS sitting on shelves for months waiting for Mario was not going to cut it. Hardware needed to move.
Do you post this passionate on the Apple forums?
 
That they aren't pricing their system in accordance with the market needs/wants.
How much do you think they should sell the Vita for? Or, do you think they should be selling different hardware for less money? If so, what hardware and for how much?
 
Nope, not at all. Since we're all pulling out the anecdotes, I have not seen someone over the age of 10 using a handheld ever. If you think they aren't looked at as kids' toys by the general public, then you're delusional.

It's been a few years. The last time I did this personally (I'm in my mid-30s now) was when I busted out a PSP in a hotel lobby in 2007.

Then, smartphones happened, and it seemed dumb to carry two devices. And it's not just for "games", like most people seem to think. I kill tons of time doing texting, Facebook, e-mail, that kind of yap. Games really lost priority as portable time killers with all that other stuff to do!

The thing is, too, with this iPhone. I played Infinity Blade on it, which categorically destroys anything I played on my PSP. The iOS games are not all dogshit. If I want to play "real" games, well, I have my PC and consoles.

I can see the market appeal of a Nintendo handheld; it's mostly children, but that's ok. Though the 3DS was a miscalculation, clearly there is demand for the (mostly first party) games. Who the hell does Sony think is going to line up for this Vita? The market is stupidly small given the other devices on the market that most people already carry around with them every day. Kids want DSes or an iPod Touch, teens want smartphones, adults have smartphones. I don't see the market for Vita.
 
You sound upset. 3DS was marketed ridiculously dumb and no games worth shaking a stick at were available like they are now. Sitting on shelves for months waiting for Mario was not going to cut it. Hardware needed to move.
Do you post this passionate on the Apple forums?

Passionate? If it's coming off that way then you're mistaken, lol. What does Vita have going for it in the coming months? Sony doesn't have the luxury of major first party name brands like Nintendo.
 
You sound upset. 3DS was marketed ridiculously dumb and no games worth shaking a stick at were available like they are now. PLUS Vita hardware at $249 is a fucking steal unfortunately the world is out of work thus the penny pinching.3DS sitting on shelves for months waiting for Mario was not going to cut it. Hardware needed to move.
Do you post this passionate on the Apple forums?

What games do you see anyone excited for on Vita? Yes, the Vita hardware is nice, but 250 is too expensive for standalone portable gaming devices as Nintendo saw.

Don't say Uncharted, because that ain't no system seller.
 
PSP's COD came prior to the explosion in popularity that brand faced. It also was a low effort version on hardware that had difficulties providing that genre justice. It's like looking back on the PS2 Monster Hunters and wondering why they didn't sell a million when Tri on Wii did.

I actually made a comparison to MH and in my post for a reason. How did the explosion of MH on the PSP affect the sales of MH on home consoles? They increased a little bit but were nowhere near the portable version.

I am expecting the same situation with COD on handhelds. They will sell better than last generation but they won't come anywhere near being the system seller they are on home consoles.

lol sarcasm I pray and if not *smh* at you

Price is determined by demand not the components of the product. It doesn't matter if the vita costs $300 to manufacture (i know it doesn't), if people don't want to pay $250 for it then it is overpriced.

You sound upset. 3DS was marketed ridiculously dumb and no games worth shaking a stick at were available like they are now. PLUS Vita hardware at $249 is a fucking steal unfortunately the world is out of work thus the penny pinching.3DS sitting on shelves for months waiting for Mario was not going to cut it. Hardware needed to move.
Do you post this passionate on the Apple forums?

So you either don't understand how products are priced or you are letting or bias cloud your judgement.
 
How much do you think they should sell the Vita for? Or, do you think they should be selling different hardware for less money? If so, what hardware and for how much?

$199.99, $249.99 should've been a bundle 2GB stick + 2 throw away games, 1 packaged-in, 1 DL code

Only Wifi, Fuck 3G
 
Kindle Fire doesn't even have volume buttons. Hype for the Fire is reversing as people are starting to realize they were hoodwinked. It's just a better kindle e-reader not a tablet at all. Lots of kindle fire's being returned and amazon does not report units sold which really makes it hard to use kindle numbers.


As for the Vita, I'm not interested unless the ps3 and vita cross platform use increases. I don't want more game save between the two (ok I do) but more games on the ps3 that I can use the vita as a controller with is what would make me buy one.

For Sony to return to its glory and be more successful it needs to integrate all of its devices.

Vita as a controller ala Wii U.
Tablets mirroring to PS3/Bravia TV's ala Apple AirPlay.
More games that make it worth it to get both the vita and ps3 versions of games. Having both sync'd giving more accuracy for weaps or more stamina, in game currency, costumes etc.


If its just a better PSP, I'll hold off until a huge price drop. I got one PSP a while back but it was stolen. Outside of loss of property, I didn't feel a big loss with the psp, I hardly used it.

Actually I hardly game on my iPhone or iPad. I'm just not a mobile gamer really.
 
How much do you think they should sell the Vita for? Or, do you think they should be selling different hardware for less money? If so, what hardware and for how much?

Less than smartphones and tablets would be the ultimate goal. I can't tell you what specific hardware, but surely there were cheaper alternatives. Might take a hit in visuals, but the oled screen would cover it.
 
That's a terrible article. Forbes really shouldn't comment on gaming.
OH C'MON! It was a fucking desperate move, nothing genius about it.
Regardless of what you call it, Sony needs to be even more "desperate" since they're doing worse out of the gates despite launching in the middle of the holiday season.
 
Sony needs to keep its plague to itself, btw. Just because the Vita may be on the way out doesn't mean the entire dedicated handheld market is. Content will always be king.
 
Sony needs to keep its plague to itself, btw. Just because the Vita may be on the way out doesn't mean the entire dedicated handheld market is. Content will always be king.
Nintendo handhelds won't bomb, but I can see them slowly declining. I really don't think either brand can gain much market share at this point, but kids will always play "Gameboys" while their parents drag them around even if there are other options.
 
People keep throwing this around yet they have several DS games including Liberty City Stories, Ghost Trick:Phantom Detective, and Ace Attorney and plenty of "core" games like Infinity Blade, etc.

The point of the comic was that it was supposed to be an argument that could be read either way.
 
Name 5 Titles releasing on the VITA at launch the general public will know?

I'll even give you a gimme for Uncharted Golden Abyss due to the Uncharted 3 Hype train and Sony pushing hard to advertise and get some fucking recognition for the franchise

Name the other 4 that will make a person go OH SNAP! I need to buy VITA ASAP for this software

I bet you if it was a God of War: "Subtitle Here" released on the Vita, it would do very well just by it's name brand + recognition

3DS sizzled quickly because they tried their best to keep the Mario away and make 3rd parties happy, but when that price drop hit and that Mario game came out look what is happening now, 3DS now doing close to DS #'s
 
Name 5 Titles releasing on the VITA at launch the general public will know?

I'll even give you a gimme for Uncharted Golden Abyss due to the Uncharted 3 Hype train and Sony pushing hard to advertise and get some fucking recognition

Name the other 4 that will make a person go OH SNAP! I need to buy VITA ASAP for this software

I bet you if it was a God of War: "Subtitle Here" released on the Vita, it would do very well just by it's name brand + recognition

3DS sizzled quickly because they tried their best to keep the Mario away and make 3rd parties happy, but when that price drop hit and that Mario game came out look what is happening now, 3DS now doing close to DS #'s

Didn't the PSP GoW underperform. And that was with a much, much bigger install base, same with MGS5.
 
So what..

Vita didn't do well in one region (Japan) that accounts for the smallest market of all video games... in the first week.

The United States is the larger market, followed by Europe. After it does bad in these areas, they could be in "trouble".
 
I think Chains of Olympus did do very well, if I remember correctly

I think it was Ghost of Sparta that was iffy
 
The point of the comic was that it was supposed to be an argument that could be read either way.

I don't think so. This is from the commentary for that very comic:

Tycho said:
The reality for me is that even as a “gamer,” an enthusiast, a true adherent, my phone is enough even on a trip.  Period.  The premium cache associated with Portability capital-P has been obliterated, being portable is insufficient as a motivator when I have multipurpose computational sliver perpetually en pocké.

http://penny-arcade.com/2011/08/01
 
Handhelds will never die. Simply due to the fact we all know Nintendo will never develop a main Pokemon game on a home console.

Nintendo will never develop a main Pokemon game period!

So what..

Vita didn't do well in one region (Japan) that accounts for the smallest market of all video games... in the first week.

The United States is the larger market, followed by Europe. After it does bad in these areas, they could be in "trouble".

You're missing to issue of this affecting it getting Japanese software...
 
Sony launched too late and missed the MH train. Its as simple as that.

If they had launched earlier they could have actually stolen some momentum from the 3DS in Japan (especially with the next MH under its wing). But alas SCEJ failed on both fronts. Now they will be starting from square one in the west, with no momentum on their side.

Another nit pick is Sony failure to really get the PS certified program off the ground. The store should have launched already and other vendors (Samsung, LG) should have announced compatible handsets for it already. This is another example of Sony hurting from delayed product launches.

Sony really is a clusterfuck of a company that loses out on opportunity due to lack of mobility as a whole.
 
I think I consider myself as a "nintendo fanboy" but come on people !
Even if those numbers may looks "bad" it's the first full Week of Vita !
Maybe there was stock problem ! or maybe people don't buy the 3G one, so that would explain that !
I think next week will be far better for Vita.
 
The Xperia Play was like 500 or 600€ off-contract at launch. Of course it's not going to appeal the traditional handheld gaming market at that price point.

if I can get elcheapo android phone for 89 bucks australian dollars unlocked, I'm not sure why Sony can't make a psphone for what they're selling the vita :/
 
Sony really is a clusterfuck of a company that loses out on opportunity due to lack of mobility as a whole.

The current Sony commercial on ESPN is all about 3D, the tv's, blu-rays, and cameras.

They don't even mention or show the PS3. I just don't get it.
 
I really think this is an outdated sentiment.

I have seen a few twenty-somethings playing the 3ds in public. Nobody seemed to be regarding them with horror or anything.

I think there is a cutoff point where playing portable system in public raises eyebrows, but it's not 13 anymore.
 
it blows my mind that the portable camera, video and music player markets have all been affected by mobile phones and now tablets, and people are still in denial and think portable videogames are immune to that.

Well, the mass-media position that people are arguing against every time here is "the iPhone proves all portables are dead 4evahs LAWLZ!!!!" It's an argument from ignorance that runs down a list of false equivalencies, time-locked assumptions, and bad models to feed a pre-determined narrative. It's the written equivalent of the wonky PS3 chart: people outside the industry giving away

I mean: absolutely phones and tablets are competing with dedicated portable game systems. They have an obvious value as a substitutionary good: for many uses, an iPhone can already substitute completely for a DS or PSP in someone's daily activity. Both Nintendo and Sony are going to, on balance, lose access to a great deal of potential sales that have been diverted to these platforms. (Nintendo has probably lost their ultra-casual market forever to phones, which is why 3DS is so much more core-oriented.) Both have already significantly changed their strategies in obvious ways as a result on 3DS and PSV.

But what these articles ignore is that these platforms also compete with console games (and console and portable games compete with each other, and they all compete with PC games, etc.) Some of the ways smartphones impinge on the gaming industry are equally threatening to the home market -- especially their pricing model. Meanwhile, while consoles are still selling well in the US, TV devices are increasingly irrelevant in the overall market while portable devices are increasingly central -- which raises the question of how a company like Sony or Microsoft is planning on bridging the gap from their soon-to-be-legacy console business to the mobile future if dedicated gaming portables aren't that bridge.

All of this stuff is actually potentially interesting to talk about in a way that the dumbness in the Forbes article really isn't.

People keep throwing this around yet they have several DS games including Liberty City Stories, Ghost Trick:Phantom Detective, and Ace Attorney and plenty of "core" games like Infinity Blade, etc.

The bevy of console and handheld ports on iOS are viable only because they're second/third/fourth releases of titles that have already recouped. They're the equivalent of VC titles selling for $8 that originally retailed for $80 -- that content isn't viable at that price point, in that kind of marketplace, without a first release at a more normal price.

Infinity Blade, on the other hand, is a perfect example of what a "AAA" mobile game looks like, both visually and content-wise, and that $7 price point is a lot more conducive to what GAF posters might think of as "real games" than $0.99 is. But we haven't yet really seen other skilled developers and publishers make a serious play at this niche besides Epic.
 
I still can't believe some people in here are claiming supply issues when it's been proven otherwise. It's like the PS3 launch all over again.

It's way too early to say Vita is "dead." Let's give it a year, shall we?
 
It doesn't seem culturally acceptable in America for anyone who's older than 13 or so to be walking around with a portable console.

In Australia i see people gaming on ipads on the bus, on the train, and while they're walking between each! (guess they never saw that psp kid fall on the tracks story)
I have even seen, several times, people holding their ipads up to their face to chat, i shit you not.
 
Surprised so many people are focused on the price of the Vita itself. That's not too bad. Those game prices however... Yikes.
I'm sure there will be deals on the games at places like Amazon and Best Buy just like the PS3 and 360 games so I'm not worried about that. The $250 price + memory card is the issue but even then if you look at the tech we're getting for that it's a great deal. Unfortunately Joe Schmoe probably won't come to that realization and if he doesn't it's going to be tough for Vita to sell well without a price drop to $199.

In Australia i see people gaming on ipads on the bus, on the train, and while they're walking between each! (guess they never saw that psp kid fall on the tracks story)
I have even seen, several times, people holding their ipads up to their face to chat, i shit you not.
iPad is different. It just is, don't know how to explain it.
 
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