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Dota 2 Beta Thread: [Brewmaster]
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thug you're probably in leaver queue if it's taking that long
Technosteve
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bkb is bad on tide? you just want him to die after the ulti i guess
Technosteve
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i gate arcane shoes for speed
Uhh... I don't care for blink at all on Tide (Moreso for Enigma, which is why anyone who plays with me will see that Blink is my 3rd or 4th core on him). The point is that BKB isn't useful with Kraken since once you get your ulti off you've done your job. You'd be better off adding to your support teamfight power with a pipe or shiva's.
There's just very little utility offered by BKB, merely expensive redundancy.
- You don't need the protection from stuns to get your skills off, your Kraken Shell already provides a stun cancel effect. Failing that, a Blink dagger will make you virtually uncounterable if your positioning is good.
- The extra damage and strength are marginal.
If you want an overkill item, you'd get a lot more out of a Vanguard, stacked armor, or a Heart (assuming you're richer than Zeus). Solves your burst damage problem and gives you far more tankiness.
- You don't need the protection from stuns to get your skills off, your Kraken Shell already provides a stun cancel effect. Failing that, a Blink dagger will make you virtually uncounterable if your positioning is good.
- The extra damage and strength are marginal.
If you want an overkill item, you'd get a lot more out of a Vanguard, stacked armor, or a Heart (assuming you're richer than Zeus). Solves your burst damage problem and gives you far more tankiness.
I thought getting a Vanguard on Tidehunter was pointless because it didn't stack with Kraken Shell. Or is the tooltip referring to something else when it says that Shell doesn't stack with items that provide damage block?
I'm not sure, but I would guess it would go with the highest source of damage block (so in this case, the Vanguard). Even assuming Shell remains dominant, the item would still present more utility to Tidehunter than a BKB would (more hp and more hp regen out of it). A BKB that doesn't provide much utility is a "nothing" purchase, it's basically just fluff.
It doesn't 'stack' but the item is worth it for just the HP and regen alone. Besides Shell is the last skill you max(if you max it at all) and vanguard is way better than shell if it hits, especially before you max it.
Plus vanguard is so much cheaper than a BKB that its basically in irrelevant comparison anyway. You can build a vanguard and be halfway to a pipe before you get BKB done.
The way I figure is, I'm going to up my general survivability and team support, and if the other team wants to blow all their nukes and disables on me after I've popped my ult(and it would take a good 2 nukers full rotation to bring down a tide with vanguard and treads at that stage of the game), then my team is just going to mop up that team fight easily. If the other team is focusing you after your ult, they are idiots
So the idea is that you've got the increased HP and regen from the Vanguard along with a 60% chance of having the Vanguard block 40 damage, and if that fails Kraken Shell still reduces damage by 28? I guess that makes sense. I was mostly wondering if I'd been interpreting the description wrong all this time, like the time I found out about the disparity between melee and ranged heroes using the Eye of Skadi.
So buy Vanguard, put a single point into Kraken Shell for the debuff removal, and then use the levels you would have used maxing it out on stats instead? I think I'm starting to understand the idea behind getting a Vanguard on Tidehunter. Thanks.
Ignis Fatuus
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I totally forgot to screenshot it for posterity. Shame.
Ignis Fatuus
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My new wallpaper!
How do you die 10 times as SK when you have a refresher?
You get drained of all your damage, have the rest of your team die while you're rezzing, then die two more times in a row.
Three, you bought back, remember?
Don't know how I got so under leveled, maybe I left the lane too soon.
Togglesworlh
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look at the level disparity and realize how fast my teammates will melt to that
ALSO REMEMBER THIS SCOREBOARD
This was such a funny moment.
Setreal getting put on blast. Makes me happy that I haven't talked shit in a long time.
I reinstalled these and notice all the names now have a date in front of them. Do I have to rename every single file to make them actually show up in game or is there some other way?
I'm not sure, however if you wait until Saturday I can give you an updated version.
Filth
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I've killed a bunch of sand kings that tried to get away and would sand storm. Just drop it right in the middle where he is stealthed :x
Yeah but it's just a tad situational.
Killing invisible enemies with AOE attacks is fun in general. I nailed a weaver last night with leshrac's edict when he was chasing me; always feel good.
Alright, that's cool. I'll just use common sense for now sense I understand builds a little better now. I'm guessing the update version will include Spirit Breaker and Silencer then?
Sanjay gonna San- wait, what? DRKIRBY WHY DO YOU HAVE BKB ON TIDE
jesus fucking christ you guys.
This was such a funny moment.
im a noob, plz explain me what happend here?
Sanjay gonna San- wait, what? DRKIRBY WHY DO YOU HAVE BKB ON TIDE
That's overkill lol
Togglesworlh
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Trashtalkin'.
nice smelling trash is still trash, archie knows this.
Archie taking a page out of Kagete's guide to DOTA.
Dark Seer is ridiculous. He's definitely going onto my "will learn" list.
Asked Artanisix to confirm, and yes, the highest source of damage block is operative. So it's as you say, if the Vanguard fails to proc Kraken Shell will. I've built it a few times on Tide, and suffice to say it makes you insanely tanky.
Vanguard on everyone. NO exceptions.
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