Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012

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guek said:
here's a thought-

I know that several GAFers including myself have stated in the past that they would absolutely love a Zelda HD collection for the Wii U. While this sounds like an unequivocally awesome idea, do you guys think it would have real selling power as a launch/launch-window title? The same goes for a SMG 1/2 HD collection. These games have sold very well on the Wii, but would they really have the ability to be resold so soon after they've come out for the Wii? Yes, I know myself and likely many other people on this board would kill for a chance to play WW/TP/SS and the galaxies in glorious HD, but would the market at large be just as receptive or would they shrug them off? Would it be worth nintendo's time and money to refit them for the Wii U?
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As a fan of those games I think it would be a good idea...for fans of those games.

It wouldn't do squat to sell the Wii U to a new audience, though. And that's really what Nintendo needs to be focused on for Wii U's first year.
 
royalan said:
As a fan of those games I think it would be a good idea...for fans of those games.

It wouldn't do squat to sell the Wii U to a new audience, though. And that's really what Nintendo needs to be focused on for Wii U's first year.
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It would be a better move than another wave of Wii sport type titles. If they are going to fill a gap, they might as well appeal to their core.
 
JGS said:
I was assuming. It's just a aggregation site run by a Nintendo fan so I never got why it was banned. The site didn't match up to the reasons in TOS but I assumed it was something from a very long time ago.
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Amir0x seemed to the most vocal against the site but I don't know how other admins thought of it. The site aggregates a lot of rumors and rarely has any inside sources of its own. Whatever the case, I think it's better practice to link news from the source site rather than when it gets caught by an aggregate like Joystiq or Kotaku.
 
royalan said:
As a fan of those games I think it would be a good idea...for fans of those games.

It wouldn't do squat to sell the Wii U to a new audience, though. And that's really what Nintendo needs to be focused on for Wii U's first year.
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Nintendo will be lucky if Wii U can recapture the new audience the Wii already gave them, let alone attract a whole other new audience.

They shored up the numbers as well as they ever will with Wii. Drawing plans to retain those customers would probably yield better results than focusing on some new segment that may or may not respond.
 
JGS said:
I was assuming. It's just a aggregation site run by a Nintendo fan so I never got why it was banned. The site didn't match up to the reasons in TOS but I assumed it was something from a very long time ago.
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I think loads of people including those that contribute to that site started posting the lame no-news blog and terribly written opinion stuff. It's nothing more than a dumping ground for Nintendo news combined with the ramblings of a madman really.
 
TheCongressman1 said:
It would be a better move than another wave of Wii sport type titles. If they are going to fill a gap, they might as well appeal to their core.
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Oh I agree. But I also don't think casual are the "new audience" this time around, so I don't think Wii Sport rehashes are an option (and thank god for that).

It's looking like Sony and MS are both going to be foolish enough to actually give Nintendo a significant amount of time alone in the market, so I think they really need to every drop of resources in making that time count by creating software that'll pull on their demographic. Ports of old Zelda games won't do that. It would be a waste of precious resources and a head start in that regard.
 
royalan said:
Oh I agree. But I also don't think casual are the "new audience" this time around, so I don't think Wii Sport rehashes are an option (and thank god for that).

It's looking like Sony and MS are both going to be foolish enough to actually give Nintendo a significant amount of time alone in the market, so I think they really need to every drop of resources in making that time count by creating software that'll pull on their demographic. Ports of old Zelda games won't do that. It would be a waste of precious resources and a head start in that regard.
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Everything boils down to two things, regardless of what market you're chasing. Those 2 things are content and marketing. Both are Nintendo's weak points. They need to secure the 3rd party content that appeals to the gamers they are aiming to attract with the wii-u, and then they need to market it strongly to that audience. They'll have to brute force it like microsoft did in their early years if they want to be successful on that front. Pay lots of money to get the content you need, and then do non stop commercials showing off that content. And no don't use 4 douches sitting on a floor pretending to have fun as your marketing. Just show the content, show only for Wii-U, and show it as often as possible.
 
rpmurphy said:
Amir0x seemed to the most vocal against the site but I don't know how other admins thought of it. The site aggregates a lot of rumors and rarely has any inside sources of its own. Whatever the case, I think it's better practice to link news from the source site rather than when it gets caught by an aggregate like Joystiq or Kotaku.
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It's one of the best resources for all things Nintendo on the internet, as it is a compilation of literally everything. RMC and co do an excellent job of collecting every piece of news, report, media and rumour that is remotely related to Nintendo and keeping it all in one place.

The problem is their historic tendency to erroneously report rumours in a way that doesn't accurate communicate heavy speculation. Their recent report regarding the same twitter post in this thread is titled "Retro dev Twitter account hints at 2012 title release". It's the same very heavy speculation being discussed here, yet titled in a way that makes it seem more objective.

It's a poor, inaccurate way to communicate news to your audience as it leads to confusion and miscommunication. Thus the site was 'banned' as a source of news as making threads related to rumours posted there are, in turn, equally suspectable to miscommunication and inaccurately.

People are free to post news from there, even as threads. They're 'banned' in the sense that we encourage people to think hard before using them as an only source, due to the above, and also because they're often sourcing someone else, and it's better to post from there.
 
Shig said:
Nintendo will be lucky if Wii U can recapture the new audience the Wii already gave them, let alone attract a whole other new audience.

They shored up the numbers as well as they ever will with Wii. Drawing plans to retain those customers would probably yield better results than focusing on some new segment that may or may not respond.
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You know, I don't think they should put as much focus on casuals so early again this gen.

Sure, the Wii sold phenomenally on the outset, but I think it's clear at this point that their tunnel-vision on the casual market so early repelled the demographics that are known to support software and led to them being in the position they are in now. It wasn't a healthy long-term plan. In fact, I think it's crazy that the 360 is poised to end this gen within 10 million units of the Wii, while still enjoying a healthy base of people who consistently purchase software and over 40 million subscribers to their Live services gobbling up online content. I mean, who's really #1 this gen when you think about it...

Focusing on casual again will only have the same effect of turning off audiences that support hardware long-term - especially now that there's a precedent for it with the Wii. People won't be fooled again. Not only that, but I don't think a touch screen is nearly a big of a casual draw as the wiimote or Kinect. Casuals will look at it as an ugly iPad/Fire/Nook that can't leave their living rooms. Not only that, but new hardware doesn't make them any more viable to casuals than the 360 with Kinect. The extra power won't matter and Kinect is by far more appealing as a gimmick. You can't dance on a upad.

I think Nintendo would be much better off focusing the efforts at the start of this gen securing a decent base of gamers and their core fans with software that shows off the power of the hardware and the gaming benefits of the controller (something that Kinect clearly lacks).
 
EatChildren said:
It's one of the best resources for all things Nintendo on the internet, as it is a compilation of literally everything. RMC and co do an excellent job of collecting every piece of news, report, media and rumour that is remotely related to Nintendo and keeping it all in one place.

The problem is their historic tendency to erroneously report rumours in a way that doesn't accurate communicate heavy speculation. Their recent report regarding the same twitter post in this thread is titled "Retro dev Twitter account hints at 2012 title release". It's the same very heavy speculation being discussed here, yet titled in a way that makes it seem more objective.

It's a poor, inaccurate way to communicate news to your audience as it leads to confusion and miscommunication. Thus the site was 'banned' as a source of news as making threads related to rumours posted there are, in turn, equally suspectable to miscommunication and inaccurately.

People are free to post news from there, even as threads. They're 'banned' in the sense that we encourage people to think hard before using them as an only source, due to the above, and also because they're often sourcing someone else, and it's better to post from there.
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The main problem is that a "news site" and an "internet forum" are two different things. Internet forums are populated by rabid and enthusiastic people who often play "telephone" and it creates sensationalist headlines.

Case 1
Wired reports that Miyamoto is wants to "retire from his current position" to work in a smaller circle creating different types of games at Nintendo.

People bother to read one or two words and sensationalize "OH NO MIYAMOTO IS RETIRING WHO IS GONNA MAKE MARIO NOW". Sites post the story from the forum rather than the story from the source.

Case 2
1 guy who worked for Naughty Dog for less than a year and 1 guy who worked on Darksiders were hired by Retro Studios.

Internet forum converts this into "RETRO HIRED A SH*LOAD OF PEOPLE FROM NAUGHTY DOG AND VIGIL GAMES... MATURE ZELDA IS DEEP IN DEVELOPMENT". Then irresponsible sites go with it.

The Nintendo news cycle.
 
Ubermatik said:
Anything new come out of CES then...? Or anything at all, for that matter?
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Nope - just Reggie saying in a SpikeTV interview that details would be announced throughout the year (the "year of the Wii U"). He also said that Nintendo won't necessarily wait until E3 before revealing more information, but at the same time, they have nothing new to announce at CES.
 
AntMurda said:
The main problem is that a "news site" and an "internet forum" are two different things. Internet forums are populated by rabid and enthusiastic people who often play "telephone" and it creates sensationalist headlines.

Case 1
Wired reports that Miyamoto is wants to "retire from his current position" to work in a smaller circle creating different types of games at Nintendo.

People bother to read one or two words and sensationalize "OH NO MIYAMOTO IS RETIRING WHO IS GONNA MAKE MARIO NOW". Sites post the story from the forum rather than the story from the source.

Case 2
1 guy who worked for Naughty Dog for less than a year and 1 guy who worked on Darksiders were hired by Retro Studios.

Internet forum converts this into "RETRO HIRED A SH*LOAD OF PEOPLE FROM NAUGHTY DOG AND VIGIL GAMES... MATURE ZELDA IS DEEP IN DEVELOPMENT". Then irresponsible sites go with it.

The Nintendo news cycle.
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Right, and that is why posting news from GintendoNo is discouraged, as they have a tendency to headline their reports with the same hyperbole and miscommunication rampant on forums, which is something we generally try to avoid. Hence us mods trying to keep thread titles updated with accurate news and developing stories.
 
Exterminieren said:
Not really, which is as expected.

Reggie hinted that we'd hear more about Wii U before E3, but nothing concrete at all.
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Xun said:
No.
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rhoq said:
Nope - just Reggie saying in a SpikeTV interview that details would be announced throughout the year (the "year of the Wii U"). He also said that Nintendo won't necessarily wait until E3 before revealing more information, but at the same time, they have nothing new to announce at CES.
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Cheers, saw the interview and such, but just wondered if anything else had been spotted/revealed to the media afterwards.

Roll on GDC. We'll get the first rumblings of WiiU launch titles, I bet you anything.
 
royalan said:
Michael Bay doing Nintendo's stage design this year?
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I'd be okay with that.

Reggie (on stage): On now the Wii U! POW!

*BOOM!* (Audience explodes)

Miyamoto: Pikmin 3!

*BOOM!*

Iwata: No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no!

...

*BOOM!*
 
I know what's going to happen, later this year UPS will deliver a nice big package to me.
I'll open it, hook it up, turn my TV on...and nothing will happen.
I'll then explode like when Cartman found out there were no more KFCs.
 
Wait, explosions... Boomblox confirmed?

Also, I'm just pumped to see what Miyamoto's been working on, as well as the main nintendo EAD teams. Mario's genius was never limited by graphical capabilities, but I think the ideas and worlds will translate better in HD.
 
EatChildren said:
It's one of the best resources for all things Nintendo on the internet, as it is a compilation of literally everything. RMC and co do an excellent job of collecting every piece of news, report, media and rumour that is remotely related to Nintendo and keeping it all in one place.

The problem is their historic tendency to erroneously report rumours in a way that doesn't accurate communicate heavy speculation. Their recent report regarding the same twitter post in this thread is titled "Retro dev Twitter account hints at 2012 title release". It's the same very heavy speculation being discussed here, yet titled in a way that makes it seem more objective.

It's a poor, inaccurate way to communicate news to your audience as it leads to confusion and miscommunication. Thus the site was 'banned' as a source of news as making threads related to rumours posted there are, in turn, equally suspectable to miscommunication and inaccurately.

People are free to post news from there, even as threads. They're 'banned' in the sense that we encourage people to think hard before using them as an only source, due to the above, and also because they're often sourcing someone else, and it's better to post from there.
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Thanks EC. Yeah, even though many other blog sites do awful titles for their news, GN has some different bad habits of their own because of the nature of the site and how it's run (basically one guy posting everything). I wonder if that will ever change or not.
 
At least the hands on with the controller was glowingly positive. I guess that counts for something:

The new controller is an impressive thing to hold in your hands. It feels solid and comfortable, and nothing about it marks it as a weak link. The screen itself is bright and beautiful, much clearer than the screen on an iPad, and even small details of the games are able to be seen clearly. The controller's speakers also do a good job of delivering information to the player via audio clues. I could easily see playing entire games without a TV, using just the screen on the controller. I asked about the possibility of playing Wii games in high definition, and was flatly told that the hardware will not be able to improve the resolution of Wii games.
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Source
 
boris feinbrand said:
At least the hands on with the controller was glowingly positive. I guess that counts for something:



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Nice source. Found this interesting, and also laughed a bit:

"So is this what the hardware will look like when it launches?" I asked. That is still being worked on. "But we can expect something close to this in terms of fit and finish?" I asked. They said they're not talking about that yet. They joked that the final design will be something you'll be able to swallow. I began to feel like everyone was messing with me, but in a rather pleasant way. It's hard to feel threatened, or even stonewalled, while playing a Nintendo game.
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boris feinbrand said:
At least the hands on with the controller was glowingly positive. I guess that counts for something:

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Interesting. A heavy system, particularly one that does not have the PSU integrated, indicates one thing: massive heat-disposal facilities.
 
iPad 2: 1024-by-768-pixel resolution at 132 pixels per inch (ppi): 9.7-inch diagonal
WiiU: 854 x 480 at unknown ppi - though probably quite high: 6-inch diagonal.
 
AntMurda said:
Internet forum converts this into "RETRO HIRED A SH*LOAD OF PEOPLE FROM NAUGHTY DOG AND VIGIL GAMES... MATURE ZELDA IS DEEP IN DEVELOPMENT". Then irresponsible sites go with it.
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Well don't said it yet on GAF, but even if I don't like the idea this is clearly possible to see Retro finally working on Zelda Wii U.
But, like with Mario Kart 7 and Monolith Soft on Skyward Sword, Retro Studios can be a helpfull hand for the main team in Japan. Not being the main team by themselves.
I think that's the most possible idea as we speak.
 
Ubermatik said:
iPad 2: 1024-by-768-pixel resolution at 132 pixels per inch (ppi): 9.7-inch diagonal
WiiU: 854 x 480 at unknown ppi - though probably quite high: 6-inch diagonal.
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Isn't there a way to calculate the ppi using the screen's resolution and the diagonal?

EDIT: There, see?
 
blu said:
Interesting. A heavy system, particularly one that does not have the PSU integrated, indicates one thing: massive heat-disposal facilities.
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Or that was just a plastic box with a brick in it, and all the games were actually running on a big ugly dev kit hidden somewhere in the room.
 
I thought of something; has anyone who played the Wii U at E3 or CES attempted to press the home button?

Or tried to turn the console off and back on if it's in the open? Could be a potential peek at the menu interface.
 
Ah indeed, thank-you!

So that explains the clarity comments, which is great news - at the size the screen is it, essentially you can see more detail than an ipad screen at 1024x768.

Now as long as there's no brightness concerns - which I'm sure there isn't, because every photo taken when it's in use has been great so far -this thing is shaping up to be a great alternative to the TV screen.
 
Hero of Legend said:
I thought of something; has anyone who played the Wii U at E3 or CES attempted to press the home button?

Or tried to turn the console off and back on if it's in the open? Could be a potential peek at the menu interface.
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There's probably nothing in there other than a simple debug screen to load the game.
 
Hero of Legend said:
I thought of something; has anyone who played the Wii U at E3 or CES attempted to press the home button?

Or tried to turn the console off and back on if it's in the open? Could be a potential peek at the menu interface.
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They're probably non-functional, and attempting to 'break' the console isn't great etiquette when being allowed to see it in the first place.
Turning it off and on again will probably only show a debug/info screen and instant start up to the demo or something.
 
Ubermatik said:
Ah indeed, thank-you!

So that explains the clarity comments, which is great news - at the size the screen is it, essentially you can see more detail than an ipad screen at 1024x768.

Now as long as there's no brightness concerns - which I'm sure there isn't, because every photo taken when it's in use has been great so far -this thing is shaping up to be a great alternative to the TV screen.
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Although the clarity comments are really good, and I hope the controller lives up to it's potential, the truth is that the resolution is kind of low, and you will not have more detail than an iPad, quite the opposite in fact.

In my opinion, if you make a game restricting it to the possibility of being played on a small screen with low resolution, you are not taking full advantage of what the WiiU can really do (I hope). I hope most games only use the controller for offloading interface and focusing on the TV for the full experience.
 
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