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brotkasten
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Still the highest rated phone on Sprint.
frontieruk
Member
Never any love for the UK
http://wmpoweruser.com/dance-central-2s-dancecam-now-in-windows-phone-marketplace/
http://wmpoweruser.com/dance-central-2s-dancecam-now-in-windows-phone-marketplace/
Psychotext
Member
Probably the music licensing. That sort of shit always messes things up.
Chiaroscuro
Member
Cave is developmingfor Android.
And even developming for Windows Phone, as a DoDonPachi game was sort of announced. But yeah, the iOS support is stronger.
bigtroyjon
Member
I think you might have a problem with your auto correct. Seems to think that developing has an "m" in it.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
you guys got the 800 and are getting the 900 before canada prob. hush now.
also you prob don't have to put up with this kinda shit
Unknown Soldier
Member
I would imagine it's MS's fault. Maybe if MS weren't so hellbent on killing Google from every possible angle of attack with Bing Search and Bing Maps and extorting Google's Android hardware partners, Google would be more motivated to offer any support for WP7. As it is, MS has the mentality of laying siege on Google, so to expect cooperation from Google on their smartphone platform is laughable.
Google is being pretty gracious by not purposely sabotaging YouTube so it doesn't work on WP7 at all, quite frankly.
I'm sure anti-trust has nothing to do with it.
this can't go on forever. Microsoft owns Skype which will be far more important than YouTube on mobile devices going forward. Google will eventually have to play ball.
Unknown Soldier
Member
It's unlikely that MS would ever be able to cry "antitrust!" against anybody and get a positive result, given their track record.
wasn't part of microsoft's antitrust claim in the uk about google not giving microsoft access to certain apis to make a good native youtube app for wp7?
http://mobilitydigest.com/ms-files-...ainst-googexplains-why-wp7-youtube-app-sucks/
That really has no legal standing whatsoever. They've already filed a case to the EU regarding search.
bigtroyjon
Member
I did my part to stop tarding up the thread with that guy, ignore function doesn't work if you keep quoting him 
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
please go on about their track record.
oh yes its really laughable having a choice in this day and age. i am sure all company's hug and pat each other on the back. microsft is just being dickish by making their own products and letting consumers choose on their own.
my posts per day have been a bit low lately. gotta do something to bring it up =PI did my part to stop tarding up the thread with that guy, ignore function doesn't work if you keep quoting him
Unknown Soldier
Member
No idea, but I doubt such a claim would go anywhere because nobody seriously thinks that MS has a leg to stand on when it comes to them complaining about anti-competitive behavior. I mean, this is MS we're talking about!
Google doesn't open YouTube to anybody AFAIK. Google has a lot of reasons to prevent 3rd parties from accessing YouTube directly, but the biggest one is that they have to prevent people from easily downloading videos from YouTube because there is so much content there which would result in copyright violation claims against them if it could be downloaded instead of only streamed. The content owners would all gang up and rip Google apart if it was easy to download videos from YouTube.
You must be joking, right? Right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
Google provides the YouTube apps for Android and iPhone themselves. That's different from MS coding a YouTube app. YouTube isn't open for anybody to access, and again this is by design. It's not as if Google is specifically not letting MS make a YouTube app and singling them out, this is a general policy that Google seems to follow. YouTube treads a fine copyright line and it's in all our best interests that Google keep it under control or the content owners will all try to get to get it shut down again. This is why Google is constantly modifying YouTube to break the downloader plugins on browsers, for example.
Unknown Soldier
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You've never found a video which can be played on the desktop YouTube site but not on the mobile one? There's many of them. If you find one of these, it will say "This video cannot be viewed on a mobile device due the content owner restrictions" or something similar.
Darth Tigris
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Ok, it's obvious you are a Google "evangelist" and are here to basically stir up stuff. I get it. It's your thing. But before this gets derailed, how about we just table any defense of Google when it comes to antitrust allegations because it's obviously something that the right people are taking seriously.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/13/us-google-ftc-idUSTRE80C2JH20120113
And? How does anything change by allowing a native app on WP7?
Unknown Soldier
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If the content restrictions are so granular as to be device-by-device, then unless Google wants to go back to the content providers and ask them if they can also allow the content to stream on other devices besides iOS and Android devices, they can't allow a native app for other devices. I'm just speculating here, to me there isn't any difference between looking at the YouTube mobile site and having an app for it.
This has nothing to do with YouTube and WP7. Google's been accused of skewing their search results for a long time now. Considering Google's power over what people can and cannot find on the Internet, it's not hard to imagine how people might get angry if their results don't appear as high as they would like. It has fuck-all to do with what we're talking about here though.
Google is in alot of trouble , they have been abusing their monopoly in search engines. Google + is only going to make that worse
Yea , tahts what MS used to say about windows , didn't work well for MS .
Google and Apple are going to get slapped silly by the goverments in the coming years and they will be in the same postion that MS was in and allowed Google and Apple to climb up to where they are now.
I don't see how a native app would make content providers more hesitant. If anything, native apps are more restrictive because users won't have direct access to the video source. The html5 web app actually gives the most open acces to the mp4 file.
This is just google having a dig at Microsoft.
Unknown Soldier
Member
You might be right. I still think it's funny that MS is trying so hard to crush Google while at the same time complaining that Google won't let them have a native app on WP7. Like I said, Google might be more cooperative if MS wasn't trying so hard to choke the life out of them by attacking their primary revenue stream which is still search.
Monumental
Banned
So what you're saying is....Google would "play ball" and be more forthcoming if Microsoft dropped out of numerous markets and stopped competing with Google.
And you're trying to make Microsoft the bad guys in all this?
EPICLOL!
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
what attacks. you mean by making their own search engine? or their own maps? how is that a bad thing?
You may want to read this thread from the last few weeks.
You're ... a bit ... off the mark
Monumental
Banned
On a completely unrelated note to this hilariously bad troll.
Does anyone know how I can make this animated image my desktop wallpaper?
http://www.istartedsomething.com/bingimages/?m=12&y=2011#20111222-us
Bing is so damn beautiful...
And for anyone looking for a great youtube app for WP7. Look no further than Metrotube, which is hands down the best youtube app, and is completely built with the WP7 aesthetic in mind. And honestly, WP7 incorporates these apps so nicely into their native clients that I don't see the problem. For example, when you start up Zune, it will show you the the recent videos that you might have played in the Metrotube app along with a multitude of other multimedia apps.
Does anyone know how I can make this animated image my desktop wallpaper?
http://www.istartedsomething.com/bingimages/?m=12&y=2011#20111222-us
Bing is so damn beautiful...
And for anyone looking for a great youtube app for WP7. Look no further than Metrotube, which is hands down the best youtube app, and is completely built with the WP7 aesthetic in mind. And honestly, WP7 incorporates these apps so nicely into their native clients that I don't see the problem. For example, when you start up Zune, it will show you the the recent videos that you might have played in the Metrotube app along with a multitude of other multimedia apps.
http://metrotubeapp.com/
I think he is referring more to MS getting money out of Android OEMS for each of their handset sales. MS is making a shit load of money of Android, much more than they are from their own phones I would imagine. Got to give them credit, unlike Apple who just keep trying to block sales etc.
Unknown Soldier
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In much the same way they made their own web browser. MS only made Internet Explorer to crush Netscape and for no other reason because of some perceived threat against Windows if they didn't also control the Internet. They didn't care about web browsers until after Netscape and Sun came along with Java and started talking about alternate platforms which could run on any device, not just Windows.
Similarly, MS only made Windows Mobile to crush Palm because of some perceived threat against Windows if they didn't also control mobile devices. They didn't care about phones before Palm showed up and made phones which were like small computers in your hand. They're only making Windows Phone 7 now because of the iPhone and Android devices, and for the same reasons.
And again, MS only made Xbox because they felt that Sony and Nintendo's control of the living room was some perceived threat against Windows in the home. They didn't care about video game consoles before, and quite frankly nobody knows why they care so much about them now since the threat to Windows posed by the boxes sitting under your TV never materialized.
Once more, MS only made Zune because they felt that Apple's sudden resurgence would be a threat to WIndows. They certainly didn't care about portable music players until after the massive success of the iPod helped to spur Mac sales during the period where iTunes wasn't available yet for Windows.
And yes, MS only got into Search and Maps to crush Google, they didn't care until they perceived some kind of threat against them.
MS's entire history starting in the 90's is entering markets because they felt a potential competitor may one day threaten their Windows monopoly. This is pretty well-documented and it's why there was an antitrust case against them in the the US and EU. So yes, to answer your question, it is a bad thing, not because of what MS does, but because of why they do it. Everything MS does is basically the behavior of a monopolist who is reacting to perceived threats against their monopoly. This is anti-competitive behavior, which is why they got the US and EU after them.
It says the app has been taken down as of Jan 1st?
Monumental
Banned
Holy Shit....I'm sorry I didn't realize. A quick look and this is what the team had to say...
Well well well, would you look at that. I think we've just come full circle.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
Honestly. I think you need help. Your trolling has turned you paranoid. For some reason you seem to think ms is out to get everyone including you. It called competition. It's how the industry works. You seem to think because ms decides to get into a market it's out for blood. But when apple does it, it's ok. No one was saying shit when the iPhone came out. No one said shit when droid came into the market. But when microsoft decides to reinvent their mobile platform, suddenly shit just got real.
Unknown Soldier
Member
It's what I've been saying all along. It's nothing personal against MS or anybody else, Google doesn't open YouTube up to anybody. Why do you think they keep purposely breaking the Firefox and Chrome plugins which let you download streams from YouTube?
Anyways, to follow up on my previous long post, if you are interested in the MS of the 90's during the antitrust era, you should read this book:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0375503668/?tag=neogaf0e-20
You seem to have forgotten that Windows Mobile pre-dates iOS and Android. MS was busy crushing Palm long before the iPhone was a twinkle in Steve's eye.
If you don't think I'm right, go and read the book I linked. It's a really old book now but it's the best book about the MS antitrust trial and the MS of the 90's out there.
Monumental
Banned
Good to know it's not an MS rivalry thing...they're just universally assholish.
So wait...why then did you suggest that it's Microsoft's fault that the youtube app is bad and not native? You said that Google would be nicer if Microsoft "played ball" and stopped competing with them. Because you know......fuck competition.
Remember this? So on one hand you admit that they're shit to everyone because they can be. And then you say it's Microsoft's fault...
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
Yea and apple cock blocks the droid tab from being sold in a country. What Microsoft did in the past is exactly that. The past. Also selling IE with windows shouldn't of been a crime. It becuase of this we can't have MS essentials pre installed on every computer. It's because of the past that we Have free browsers today. It's why the internet has become such a big thing. This is 2012 so unless all droids come with timemachines pre installed (anti trust.lol.) stop living in the 90's
If anything, Microsoft is in an underdog position because Google has complete control of web search, video content (and gobbling up royalty agreements for music so music eventually too), Apple has the 'image' side won with young kids...whatever Microsoft is doing, is not just defensive, it's already all out warfare for future of computing and how you consume entertainment, how you get things done...and those who don't realize it are pretty naive. If anything Google employees extreme idealism makes them close to early Microsoft employees, in the sense that they think they are doing no harm but actually pretty close to Microsoft in terms of strong arming their way around. It's simply not fun and games, it's business and there is going to be a lot of painful competition during the next 10 to 20 years while hardware and software reach ridiculous levels of maturity and converge.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
Would lumia 800 be a better choice than say the titian? Because the 900 seems to long for me to wait =[
Unknown Soldier
Member
I don't think you understand why I was going into the past like that. My point was, the reason MS is in the position they are in today is because of what they did in the past. People won't suddenly forget who and what MS are. And no, the forced bundling with IE with Windows wasn't a "crime", because antitrust actions are civil actions. It was however anti-competitive and a pretty blatant attempt at using a monopoly product (Windows) to block competition in an entirely unrelated product (web browsers). And it was ruled as such by the US Government and the EU.
Besides, it's not living in the past when you realize that MS's corporate culture fundamentally hasn't changed, even with the US and EU breathing down their necks and even after Bill Gates retired.
Just look at the very recent example of HD DVD vs. Blu-ray. MS joined with Toshiba to fight a pointless format war just because MS wanted it's software on the shiny round discs instead of (then) Sun's Java. Every other consumer electronics company backed Blu-ray disc for two reasons, first because they all wanted a piece of the patent pool royalties on physical spec that were denied to them by DVD which Toshiba held most of the patents on, and second because nobody wanted MS's software on the discs.
Even today there is widespread distrust of MS going back to those days, and you won't understand why this is the case unless you know about MS's history. And unless you know about MS's history, you won't know why they are still basically behaving the same way today. And if you don't know why they are still basically behaving the same way today, you won't know why I say it's a bad thing they are trying so hard to muscle in on Search and Maps.
However this is going way off topic from WP7. I still think you should read the book I linked. Like I said, MS hasn't really changed at all, it's just they've spent the decade of the 2000's fighting with one hand tied behind their backs because of US and EU oversight due to the antitrust judgments against them. It's hard to be a ruthless monopolist when you're being watched all the time like MS is, and that shows in how unsuccessful their new products have been in the 2000's.
Angelus Errare
Banned
I'd hope no one doesn't think that MS is a reactionary company. Everything they do is a reaction to someone else doing it before them and profiting off it. That's kind of how they've worked since inception. Unfortunately it doesn't work so well in today's market as it did in the 90s. MS needs to start leading the charge instead of reacting and then reacting too late (WP7, Bing, Bing Maps, IE standards complaince, Zune).
With that said, I hope WP7 is successful, but unfortunately data is showing its marketshare shrinking; and unfortunately I can't see it pushing aside Android/iOS devices or even grabbing a sizable chunk of marketshare.
It's a shame, WP7 is a great OS, gotta love the UI.
With that said, I hope WP7 is successful, but unfortunately data is showing its marketshare shrinking; and unfortunately I can't see it pushing aside Android/iOS devices or even grabbing a sizable chunk of marketshare.
It's a shame, WP7 is a great OS, gotta love the UI.
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Angelus Errare
Banned
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The Abominable Snowman
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It's been a little over a year at market. Give it a minute. If it doesn't pull on by November, with Nokia's backing and hero devices on every carrier except one, then I'd declare it a struggling platform.
They've got outstanding developer support, and they've remained pretty steady in the market's growth and iOS new device release/Android hero device onslaught these past few months, and not plummetted like RIM did. They're no PALM, certainly.
MS' real problem, IMO, is that they've taken the Android-esque "Just take the license and make whatever phone you want with it" approach, instead of approaching companies and say "Here, lets build some reference designs and we'll commission you for a hero device", like I WISH they would.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I don't get it. The marketshare hasn't gone up, so what the heck is attracting all the android fanboys?
its just a matter of time
the marketshare will go up in 2012 and with the win8/wp8 intergration in 2013 it can reach big numbers
the droid fans know this and are getting anxious realising that we may have an xbox situation on our hands
chaosblade
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Something something perceived threat.
The fuck? There are one or two posting in here. Now the whole Android fanbase is shivering?
Talk about your phones and stop getting sucked in to debates!
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