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I personally saw wp7 as more of a threat to iOS than Android. For folks tired of the stale iOS interface, it provides a great aesthetic and even smoother performance for a cheaper price level on average.

I guess folks who bought cheaper low end android devices and were soured on their performance may also be potential customers...

Or maybe their marketshare falls completely into oblivion as folks are scared off by the Microsoft and windows name. What do you guys think?
 
After owning a Windows Phone 7 (the HTC HD7) for more than a year, I wanted to share my experience with the device and everything surrounding it. I was pretty excited about the device when I first got it – and the things that were great back then are still amazing, the things I wasn't satisfied with stayed pretty much the same.

What I love about the phone is the operating system. It's – by far – the best I've ever used on any mobile platform. It's incredibly fast and fluid, it's (usually) reliable and looks better than any other mobile OS. There's, in my opinion, just nothing that's not absolutely great about the OS.

However, aside from the amazing operating system, there's not that much I like. I live in Europe and Microsoft still hasn't figured out how to make Podcasts available over here. I have to ride the bus/train for about 2.5 hours every day and I usually spend this time listening to Podcasts or Audiobook – they're really important to me. [Can't read books because I get sick when doing so on the bus/train]

There's a workaround to get Podcasts on your device, but Mango introduced a feature where you can simply download them directly to your phone, which is a feature I'd have loved – unfortunately, it's not available where I live. Then there's Audiobooks, which are still not available. Again; there's a workaround to get them on your phone, but it's not convenient because you can't just simply click an item and say „That's an audiobook“. These are two things that I thought were going to be available but it's been over a year since Microsoft launched the platform, and the fact that it's not available yet is really sad.

Another thing that probably only affects people outside of the US is the fact that Credit Cards are the only payment option. While I do have one, I do not want to give my CC information to Microsoft. You cannot delete it easily and with the recent hackings of Xbox Live Accounts (stolen, hacked, whatever....), I just don't want them to have the information. So I now have a phone but I cannot buy any Apps for it – Microsoft has a point system in place but they don't use it for Windows Phone. It's ridiculous. Many people in Germany simply don't have credit cards because you don't need one. We get EC (Electronic Cash) cards from the bank and that's all we ever need.

There's a market outside of the US and if Microsoft doesn't want to support it then they shouldn't have released the product over here. I thought things would drastically change as soon as Nokia released their first phone, but things didn't change.

I also like to have backups of everything on my hard drive. I want to be able to simply download Apps to my PC to transfer them over to my phone should I want to do so. Apple showed how it should be done and all Microsoft had to do was copy what Apple was doing. Instead, they chose to do something else. Something worse.

The update mess is not really an issue for me anymore. I have a working phone now but many of the Apps I thought were coming just aren't there. It's the main problem I have with Apps – they're usually not available for WP7. Twitch/Justin.tv is one of these Apps. It's still shitty that Microsoft seemingly doesn't have any interest in you having the newest update on your phone. Now they completely ignore the user's needs. What does the carrier or the manufacturer care? They want you to buy their new phone, they don't want you to get a better thing for free.

Then there are also some things that bother me now about the App listing on the phone. Sure, it's really nice, but it's not really useful. You need folders, and Microsoft will have them sooner or later. The best YouTube App might not start with a „Y“ and finding it gets complicated. The best finance app might not start with an „f“ and if I could put them into specific folders, I would probably use them.

I've come to the conslusion that WP7 could be everything I've ever wanted but that my next phone will probably be the next iPhone. I don't like the OS that much but availablility of Apps is important to me and so is the ability to actually purchase the Apps without giving anyone access to my credit card. My impressions would probably be different if I lived in the US, because I'd be able to use all the features then. The thing is; I don't, and I'm not okay with paying the same (more, actually) and getting less. It's a great thing for people who have no problem putting their credit card on there if they live in the US and have other interests than me.

What I have is a great phone OS that doesn't have the Apps and functionality I want, and doesn't give me a way to pay for stuff and hides features simply because I live in the wrong country.

The thing also is: If I go back to iOS now, I'll probably not give Microsoft another chance.

Oh, and I'm not an Android troll. I used to post a lot in this Thread but I was not as happy with my phone as everyone else so I stopped posting about it. I'm glad others can enjoy the platform more than me.
 
Now that I think about it; if wp7 market share doesn't see a decent upswing this year, MS should think about adopting one of the current platforms for use as a vehicle to deliver the Xbox experience to current and potential Xbox gamers. I think its safe to say that current owners probably own either an iPhone or android phone.

On one hand, iOS is already established as THE premier mobile gaming platform (lol) and integrating the live arcade service with game center could make sense.

On the other hand, you have android as a rather immature gaming platform. Xbox live could fill in the rather large gap.
 
Now that I think about it; if wp7 market share doesn't see a decent upswing this year, MS should think about adopting one of the current platforms for use as a vehicle to deliver the Xbox experience to current and potential Xbox gamers. I think its safe to say that current owners probably own either an iPhone or android phone.

On one hand, iOS is already established as THE premier mobile gaming platform (lol) and integrating the live arcade service with game center could make sense.

On the other hand, you have android as a rather immature gaming platform. Xbox live could fill in the rather large gap.

Not that I think there is a great chance for either, but can you really see Apple jumping in on this?
 
What I have is a great phone OS that doesn't have the Apps and functionality I want, and doesn't give me a way to pay for stuff and hides features simply because I live in the wrong country.

The regulars here all know you're not an Android troll, snap. And no one can blame you for being disappointed in the international feature set of WP7. As much as I love the UI, I wouldn't put up with this OS if it was as limited as it is in some countries.

Heck, I live in a no-man's land of technology (technically US but sometimes considered international for arbitrary reasons), and I have access to most all the features of the US Windows Phone, but not all. I'll be trying out Local Scout for the first time today in Miami. I'll be the first time that I'll experiencing the phone the way MS intended: in a large, HSPA+ US city. They need to hurry and bring that experience everywhere. Hopefully they make some announcements at MWC about expanding the feature set internationally much more aggressively, and hopefully Nokia can help fill in more of the gaps.
 
CES is over and nobody asked Microsoft questions about their support for Europe, instead people insisted on asking questions about Tango/Apollo which (DUH) Microsoft wouldn't answer anyways. While the US has ESPN, we should have Eurosport support or Sport 1. But that's just one thing. I'm not even talking about their Xbox platform. The difference between the concent availible on US XBox' is night and day compared to EU xbox'. What's up with that?
 
Will the lumia 800 be sold on microsoftstore.com? MS said they will selling them through there brick and motor store but did not mention anything about selling online.
 

Damn, you finally made me a bit disappointed about my Lumia purchase ;-)

I still have my iPod for podcasts, and I've used my CC on XBL anyway, but the rest doesn't sound too good.

MS' non-support for other markets doesn't make much sense, as there should be a lot more potential there. I sure hope Nokia will push them.
 
Finally ordered a microsim adapter.

When it gets here, I'm going to give the Focus a try for a week or 2, instead of my iPhone 4.

Any easy way to get my contacts to transfer? When it comes down to it, I only really need like, 25 people in my contact list, but have close to 100 in there...
 
Any easy way to get my contacts to transfer? When it comes down to it, I only really need like, 25 people in my contact list, but have close to 100 in there...

I don't know about easy, but I just keep my contacts stored in Hotmail. You enter it there and the minute you sync your phone with that Hotmail account, all of those contacts will be synched to your phone. There could be an easier way, but that's what I did. Same thing for Calendar events.
 
I don't know about easy, but I just keep my contacts stored in Hotmail. You enter it there and the minute you sync your phone with that Hotmail account, all of those contacts will be synched to your phone. There could be an easier way, but that's what I did. Same thing for Calendar events.

If your contacts are in any of the email accounts you sync. Just add that account to the windows phone and you're set.
 

Oh snap!

You're making good and fair points.

I don't think the update situation is a mess anymore. It was with NoDo, no doubt, but they did an excellent job with the Mango roll-out. A safe roll-out over one month to cover all devices is obviously not as quick as Apple, but still very, very good.

And just a tip for your podcast situation. When you transfer a subscribed podcast from Zune to your phone, you're able to subscribe the podcast on the phone as well, which enables you to download new episodes over the air.

The Nokia and Microsoft relationship is way too young to change things drastically, so that was a bit naive on your side. Nokia is already doing their best with providing a usable turn-by-turn navigation solution, better maps solution and giving people access to music, where the Zune Marketplace is not available. All of them are obviously Nokia exclusive apps right now, so you better get one. ;-)
 
Some info from Paul Thurrott

Rumor: Lumia 900 an AT&T exclusive until mid 2012. Important to note that he doesn't know the validity. Seems like by 3rd quarter 2012 you'd just do a Apollo phone though.

According to this source, AT&T has a 45-day exclusive hold on the Lumia 900. After that time, other carriers can negotiate with Nokia for a version of the handset that will work on their networks. The source speculates that T-Mobile (and probably Verizon, possibly Sprint) will be getting some version of the 900 after it's been released on AT&T, most likely in the third quarter of 2012.

Skype For Windows Phone Due In First Half Of 2012

With reports emerging that Microsoft intends to ship its delayed Skype client for Windows Phone "soon," I can now confirm that the software giant's internal documentation has tagged the first half of 2012 for the release. This is the same documentation I used for the basis for two previous exclusive reports, Microsoft and Nokia's Plans for Marketing Windows Phone in 2012 and Microsoft's LTE Plans for Windows Phone.
 
If I delete something on Gmail from WP7, will it also delete on my actual Gmail?

Edit, nevermind, tested it and it does.

According to this source, AT&T has a 45-day exclusive hold on the Lumia 900. After that time, other carriers can negotiate with Nokia for a version of the handset that will work on their networks. The source speculates that T-Mobile (and probably Verizon, possibly Sprint) will be getting some version of the 900 after it's been released on AT&T, most likely in the third quarter of 2012.

This NEEDS to happen for my one friend. He'll be eligible to upgrade around this time, but doesn't want to get a Trophy at this point, and rightfully so.
 
They are just in my iCloud account.
You can export them and import it into gmail, windows live, or whatever.

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If I delete something on Gmail from WP7, will it also delete on my actual Gmail?

Edit, nevermind, tested it and it does.

Check your "All Mail" filter as the e-mail may still be there.

The link is just removed from the "Inbox" filter.

If that's the case, then Gmail behaves exactly the same as Exchange on the iPhones and the legacy Windows Mobile phones.

Only Android phones report correct behavior.
 
You can export them and import it into gmail, windows live, or whatever.

Q1CRn.png

Check your "All Mail" filter as the e-mail may still be there.

The link is just removed from the "Inbox" filter.

If that's the case, then Gmail behaves exactly the same as Exchange on the iPhones and the legacy Windows Mobile phones.

Only Android phones report correct behavior.

Awesome! Thanks.

This 2 week test will determine if I get a Nokia 900 in March. I'm not up for upgrade, but I'd have a 4 (16GB) 3GS (32GB) and Focus to sell, so that would easily cover the early upgrade fee at AT&T.
 
After owning a Windows Phone 7 (the HTC HD7) for more than a year, I wanted to share my experience with the device and everything surrounding it. I was pretty excited about the device when I first got it – and the things that were great back then are still amazing, the things I wasn't satisfied with stayed pretty much the same.

What I love about the phone is the operating system. It's – by far – the best I've ever used on any mobile platform. It's incredibly fast and fluid, it's (usually) reliable and looks better than any other mobile OS. There's, in my opinion, just nothing that's not absolutely great about the OS.

However, aside from the amazing operating system, there's not that much I like. I live in Europe and Microsoft still hasn't figured out how to make Podcasts available over here. I have to ride the bus/train for about 2.5 hours every day and I usually spend this time listening to Podcasts or Audiobook – they're really important to me. [Can't read books because I get sick when doing so on the bus/train]

There's a workaround to get Podcasts on your device, but Mango introduced a feature where you can simply download them directly to your phone, which is a feature I'd have loved – unfortunately, it's not available where I live. Then there's Audiobooks, which are still not available. Again; there's a workaround to get them on your phone, but it's not convenient because you can't just simply click an item and say „That's an audiobook“. These are two things that I thought were going to be available but it's been over a year since Microsoft launched the platform, and the fact that it's not available yet is really sad.

Another thing that probably only affects people outside of the US is the fact that Credit Cards are the only payment option. While I do have one, I do not want to give my CC information to Microsoft. You cannot delete it easily and with the recent hackings of Xbox Live Accounts (stolen, hacked, whatever....), I just don't want them to have the information. So I now have a phone but I cannot buy any Apps for it – Microsoft has a point system in place but they don't use it for Windows Phone. It's ridiculous. Many people in Germany simply don't have credit cards because you don't need one. We get EC (Electronic Cash) cards from the bank and that's all we ever need.

There's a market outside of the US and if Microsoft doesn't want to support it then they shouldn't have released the product over here. I thought things would drastically change as soon as Nokia released their first phone, but things didn't change.

I also like to have backups of everything on my hard drive. I want to be able to simply download Apps to my PC to transfer them over to my phone should I want to do so. Apple showed how it should be done and all Microsoft had to do was copy what Apple was doing. Instead, they chose to do something else. Something worse.

The update mess is not really an issue for me anymore. I have a working phone now but many of the Apps I thought were coming just aren't there. It's the main problem I have with Apps – they're usually not available for WP7. Twitch/Justin.tv is one of these Apps. It's still shitty that Microsoft seemingly doesn't have any interest in you having the newest update on your phone. Now they completely ignore the user's needs. What does the carrier or the manufacturer care? They want you to buy their new phone, they don't want you to get a better thing for free.

Then there are also some things that bother me now about the App listing on the phone. Sure, it's really nice, but it's not really useful. You need folders, and Microsoft will have them sooner or later. The best YouTube App might not start with a „Y“ and finding it gets complicated. The best finance app might not start with an „f“ and if I could put them into specific folders, I would probably use them.

I've come to the conslusion that WP7 could be everything I've ever wanted but that my next phone will probably be the next iPhone. I don't like the OS that much but availablility of Apps is important to me and so is the ability to actually purchase the Apps without giving anyone access to my credit card. My impressions would probably be different if I lived in the US, because I'd be able to use all the features then. The thing is; I don't, and I'm not okay with paying the same (more, actually) and getting less. It's a great thing for people who have no problem putting their credit card on there if they live in the US and have other interests than me.

What I have is a great phone OS that doesn't have the Apps and functionality I want, and doesn't give me a way to pay for stuff and hides features simply because I live in the wrong country.

The thing also is: If I go back to iOS now, I'll probably not give Microsoft another chance.

Oh, and I'm not an Android troll. I used to post a lot in this Thread but I was not as happy with my phone as everyone else so I stopped posting about it. I'm glad others can enjoy the platform more than me.
In your country you can't buy the prepaid credit cards that you can put money on?
 
Youtube Pro is pretty good, especially the download-option.

Does anyone have any game recommendations for me? Something simple, quick and addicting? My favorite of the last year has been Doodle Jump. I tried Line Bird, but so far, it hasn't clicked.
 
Youtube Pro is pretty good, especially the download-option.

Does anyone have any game recommendations for me? Something simple, quick and addicting? My favorite of the last year has been Doodle Jump. I tried Line Bird, but so far, it hasn't clicked.

Plants vs Zombies.
 
Now that I think about it; if wp7 market share doesn't see a decent upswing this year, MS should think about adopting one of the current platforms for use as a vehicle to deliver the Xbox experience to current and potential Xbox gamers. I think its safe to say that current owners probably own either an iPhone or android phone.

On one hand, iOS is already established as THE premier mobile gaming platform (lol) and integrating the live arcade service with game center could make sense.

On the other hand, you have android as a rather immature gaming platform. Xbox live could fill in the rather large gap.

I think they're starting to do just that.

Microsoft is looking to extend Xbox LIVE to iOS and potentially Android and other platforms, according to a new job listing at the company, extending the company’s gaming reach beyond its current Windows Phone focus. The posting, spotted by LiveSide, calls for a software development engineer to ”define, design and implement Xbox LIVE mobile experiences on Windows Phone, iOS and other platforms” with the potential for location-based gaming, social networking-enabled titles and more.

http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-eyeing-xbox-live-gaming-on-ios-and-android-08207184/
 
So, according to Thurrot, Microsoft is money hatting Android's and iOS' top 25 apps and will release them in e first half of this year.

His source is the internal marketing plan, where he read about the 900, the AT&T exclusivity and the marketing budget.

Which apps would that be?
 
CES is over and nobody asked Microsoft questions about their support for Europe, instead people insisted on asking questions about Tango/Apollo which (DUH) Microsoft wouldn't answer anyways. While the US has ESPN, we should have Eurosport support or Sport 1. But that's just one thing. I'm not even talking about their Xbox platform. The difference between the concent availible on US XBox' is night and day compared to EU xbox'. What's up with that?
While much of the media attention has been on hardware, I think a big part of the entire Nokia partnership was for this very reason. Nokia has a ton of well-established services in Europe and strong relationships with content providers. MS obviously felt that leveraging this would allow them to ramp up services much faster than going at it from basically square one.

Hopefully this marriage will prove to be fruitful sooner rather than later.
 
While much of the media attention has been on hardware, I think a big part of the entire Nokia partnership was for this very reason. Nokia has a ton of well-established services in Europe and strong relationships with content providers. MS obviously felt that leveraging this would allow them to ramp up services much faster than going at it from basically square one.

Hopefully this marriage will prove to be fruitful sooner rather than later.

Except it wasn't really to improve ms services it was to compliment them, so if you're in a region with no Zune support you can use Nokia music, etc Nokia are using the services to leverage themselves in the market it doesn't help wp7 as a whole.
 
So, according to Thurrot, Microsoft is money hatting Android's and iOS' top 25 apps and will release them in e first half of this year.

His source is the internal marketing plan, where he read about the 900, the AT&T exclusivity and the marketing budget.

Which apps would that be?
If you go by the app store's top 25 paid and free apps, it's all games. Blah, I have no use for those.
 
Except it wasn't really to improve ms services it was to compliment them, so if you're in a region with no Zune support you can use Nokia music, etc Nokia are using the services to leverage themselves in the market it doesn't help wp7 as a whole.
Isn't it one in the same though? As long as you get similar services ... that's what really matters.

Long term though, they need a way to get them somewhat integrated. Like say for music, are Nokia's services actually integrated into the main music player? If not, that's obviously the direction they need to go.
 
I also like to have backups of everything on my hard drive. I want to be able to simply download Apps to my PC to transfer them over to my phone should I want to do so. Apple showed how it should be done and all Microsoft had to do was copy what Apple was doing. Instead, they chose to do something else. Something worse.

from any PC, log in with your Live account at Windowsphone.com (under account) and all of your apps even ones you have deleted or DL from your PC are in your history and simply click on it and tell it to install or reinstall whenever you want from wherever you want and it will automatically install to your phone over the air (uses text protocol)

delete at will on phone and DL and install or reinstall at will from any computer. Like everything else in the world, we are going to the cloud

*I am in US and don;t know about international accounts
 
from any PC, log in with your Live account at Windowsphone.com and all of your apps even ones you have deleted or DL from your PC are in your history and simply click on it and tell it to install or reinstall whenever you want from wherever you want and it will automatically install to your phone over the air (uses text protocol)

delete at will on phone and DL and install or reinstall at will from any computer. Like everything else in the world, we are going to the cloud

*I am in US and don;t know about international accounts

The problem is it doesn't sync app data/settings. You'll get a fresh install of the app, so you lose stuff like game saves/progress, etc. Microsoft better have this resolved by the release of Windows Phone 8. It'd be a joke if you upgrade to a new phone and can't transfer any of your data over.

If you go by the app store's top 25 paid and free apps, it's all games. Blah, I have no use for those.

It'd probably be good for the platform to get stuff like "blah blah blah With Friends." Instagram would be fairly major also, and they just recently announced that a Android version is coming.
 
Youtube Pro is pretty good, especially the download-option.

Does anyone have any game recommendations for me? Something simple, quick and addicting? My favorite of the last year has been Doodle Jump. I tried Line Bird, but so far, it hasn't clicked.

ORB FREE
Great addictive little game you can play in short bursts. The music is just awesome. The controls are PERFECT. And it's completely free. (There is a paid version of the app and there is a FREE version, they are completely identical.)
http://orb.palladiumpower.com/
 
Oh snap!

You're making good and fair points.

I don't think the update situation is a mess anymore. It was with NoDo, no doubt, but they did an excellent job with the Mango roll-out. A safe roll-out over one month to cover all devices is obviously not as quick as Apple, but still very, very good.

I'd still call it a mess, especially with an update being available but not being pushed to non branded handsets, or it has been and been stopped but no information about what is going on is as bad as a mess up, as non branded can't go to their carriers and say oi why are we not getting the update, but Europe is always forgotten with these things, like not being able to manually set MMS / Data settings for virtual operators.

Isn't it one in the same though? As long as you get similar services ... that's what really matters.

Long term though, they need a way to get them somewhat integrated. Like say for music, are Nokia's services actually integrated into the main music player? If not, that's obviously the direction they need to go.

No as these services are only on Nokia, so don't compliment WP7 per se it compliments a handsets experience getting it closer to a true WP7 experience but for Dell / HTC / LG / Samsung owner in Euro / Australia a WP7 experience is possibly fully gimped or severely restricted as mentioned podcasts and loads of other silly little things that be implemented by telling the phone/software it's a USA based handset, but as with the Xbox Microsoft will concentrate on getting the US experience improved while the rest of us get scraps of improvements if any at all .
 
No as these services are only on Nokia, so don't compliment WP7 per se it compliments a handsets experience getting it closer to a true WP7 experience but for Dell / HTC / LG / Samsung owner in Euro / Australia a WP7 experience is possibly fully gimped or severely restricted as mentioned podcasts and loads of other silly little things that be implemented by telling the phone/software it's a USA based handset, but as with the Xbox Microsoft will concentrate on getting the US experience improved while the rest of us get scraps of improvements if any at all .
I would expect MS does plan to expand its services for this reason then. Logically they don't want to keep other manufacturers out of the fun long-term.


Obviously that doesn't help prospective buyers right now though. :\
 
Windows 8 is 10 months away, we need a proper storage solution among other things right this instant.

That would be a different team IMO. They just need to leverage skydrive as a whole better on both the phone and desktops/laptops for that matter. Most of the world barely even knows it exists.

As for the top 25 apps I wonder if they would have specifically said games if they meant games, but IDK. A ton of the apps I want aren't independent stuff, but stuff from companies that just haven't bothered with the OS. I'd like a Comcast app to set my DVR or the watch ESPN app to watch on the go (whenever Comcast gets on board).
 
thats kinda sad. i mean zune started this whole metro thing for them. i love zune. i really hope what ever they're doing next will by like zune and supported.

maybe premature

Update: We had an anonymous but seemingly informed tipster who said this:


Zune isn’t going away. The Microsoft Music app is more a hub. It will allow users to get to other service like Pandora or Zune, and will also show things like artist information, upcoming shows and lyrics
 
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