NFL 2011 Conference Championship |OT| Mission Impossible? It Takes a Cruz!

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I like to think of Cobb as Percy Harvin without the career-crippling migraines.

Wish that they'd somehow pull off a tag and trade for Finley, move up Gurley, and use those draft picks to get aggressive for the defense,
 
Lunchbox said:
goober manning sounds more gooberish than ever

how does that team even take him seriously
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LJ11 said:
He's terrible. Everyone cries about the slants, well eventually you're going to have to come up and press, and that'll give you a shot downfield Where the fuck is the deep ball? I refuse to believe that they aren't calling double moves off slants, impossible. Guy plays scared.

Early in his career the motto was don't fuck up, but at some point he has to grow up and starting the throwing the football. Stop playing like a pussy.

Accuracy isn't very good, but the guy won't throw the rock until the receiver comes open, doesn't anticipate breaks/throwing windows. Someone needs to sit his ass down and show him videos of Kurt Warner.

Jets gave up nothing for him though. They moved into the top 5 from the mid teens and only gave up a second round pick and fringe starters/depth. Every team in the league would make the deal the Jets did to get into the top 5.




He's fucked. Going into the season I knew he would have a tough time. Only returning receivers were Holmes/Keller, they bring in two new guys and a rookie. Have fun getting on the same page. Now he has to learn a new system, and get on the same page with another new receiver because Plax won't be back, maybe two if they cut ties with Holmes which I doubt. Tough times.
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LJ always droppin' dat knowledge.

edit: gotta find that LDT interview. I had read some of the transcript, was liking his honesty.
 
and even then LJ is giving him too much credit. His "only" receivers were Holmes/Keller?

Bitch has no excuse. He has more to work with than 50% of the league. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when he makes retarded throws at inopportune times. He has no iq whatsoever.

He's dumb as shit. My friend's sister with down syndrome has more game presence than him. He's a complete imbecile.
 
talisayNon said:
and even then LJ is giving him too much credit. His "only" receivers were Holmes/Keller?

Bitch has no excuse. He has more to work with than 50% of the league. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when he makes retarded throws at inopportune times. He has no iq whatsoever.

He's dumb as shit. My friend's sister with down syndrome has more game presence than him. He's a complete imbecile.
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talisay always droppin' dat hatred and bitterness.


and yeah, you're pretty much right. that miami game. holy fuckballs.
 
Tom Penny I know you like trolling it up but can you maybe use a different shock image? How about goatse or tubgirl instead of the physically deformed?
 
talisayNon said:
and even then LJ is giving him too much credit. His "only" receivers were Holmes/Keller?

Bitch has no excuse. He has more to work with than 50% of the league. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when he makes retarded throws at inopportune times. He has no iq whatsoever.

He's dumb as shit. My friend's sister with down syndrome has more game presence than him. He's a complete imbecile.
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o shiiiiiiii

That LDT interview was boss. So honest, he's well spoken, and clearly has thought about what he had said. Great look into the situation. At first when I heard he had spoken up I thought, "Well he's retiring".

But, he didn't say anything poisonous so he could be back. In actuality, this could be looked at as positive spin by the Jets since they know the Sanchez/Holmes thing is going to hit the fan sooner or later.

When he said it was the worst he had ever seen tho, I can't imagine Sanchez and Holmes going at it.
 
talisayNon said:
and even then LJ is giving him too much credit. His "only" receivers were Holmes/Keller?

Bitch has no excuse. He has more to work with than 50% of the league. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when he makes retarded throws at inopportune times. He has no iq whatsoever.

He's dumb as shit. My friend's sister with down syndrome has more game presence than him. He's a complete imbecile.
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On Sanchez:

-Medium distance accuracy is questionable in that he doesn't put the ball in a position where his receivers can make a play after the catch
-He has zero deep accuracy
-Often avoids being aggressive due to interception fears (but still somehow throws them on "safer" passes)
-Jumpy in the pocket
-Needs to grow into leadership role

Someone made a decent point about Eli Manning versus a guy like Matt Ryan with ints. Said Eli often gets a ton of ints because he just doesn't give a fuck and is looking to make plays and push the ball down the field, no matter how tight the window. Also said that he'd just come back and do it again with no hesitation. Yeah it's a gunslinger mentality, but if you have a QB with no balls he's only going to take you as far as the D and running game will carry you. Sanchez is a perfect example of that this year, they diminished the running game and the D was not as effective as it was in the past and the Jets regressed.

On leadership, Eli was "comical" for a long time. It took a lot of time and pretty much losing every other leader or character on the team before he took full control. Guys that left before he got comfortable as the voice of the team (I'd say 2009): Strahan, Shockey, Toomer, Burress, Tiki. Also, many Giants fans consider 09 to be his best year (until 11 of course). They were talking on boomer & carton this morning how he was mostly looking for Keller and Kerley, no shit. They got no ego and are the same age/younger than Sanchez so they follow his lead. Same shit happened with Eli and Smith, Nicks, Mario, Cruz, Boss, Ballard etc.

Like I've been alluding to, watching this whole Sanchez thing just screams of what we went through with Eli, except Eli had a pair of balls and awesome deep accuracy.
 
Buckethead said:
I'm not that big on either Francois or Smith.
Put them together and you have a decent LB but neither are ideal.

Tramon, I don't know what his deal was. Injury probably. He probably had a separated shoulder Week 1.
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I think pressure can come from either the DL or an actual decent OLBer opposite Matthews. Capers was afraid to use bump and run (which our CBs excel at) because of the lack of pass rush. Rewatch the games from 2010. So much tight man coverage because the pass rush was suffocating. Watch how much shitty zone we played this year in comparison.

I don't care how we get it but pass rush needs to be our main priority. Raji and his whole family should feel ashamed of his performance this year.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
everyone on NFLN picked the giants to win except.... jaime dukes!? wtf? he's hated on us all year, and especially alex!
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He is the sole reason that I refuse to watch the NFLN. Never have I been so utterly disgusted and repulsed by a Sports analyst as I am with him. He brings absolutely zero common sense and/or knowledge to the show. He's just a untalented Ceelo Green look-a-like.
 
I was listening to the Shutdown Corner podcast that Doug Farrar does with Greg Cossell of NFL Films. Worth a listen as they discuss both games quite in depth.

http://t.co/AijIM1q7

Ravens:

-Ravens seem to run 1960s offense. WRs cannot beat man to man, but Cameron does nothing to help them. No bunch formations etc

-Lee Evans is the 3rd WR and played only 8 plays

-Vanilla offense possibly due to need to protect very subpar OTs

-His point on Flacco was not to defend him, but to point out he can make NFL throws. And if your WRs cannot get open versus man to man, you change the WRs, not the QB

On NE:

-Nothing to be learned from DEN game. Denver's defense is awful. Couldn't cover or tackle. Denver's offense so unconventional that personnel changes on Pats' D also not instructive for game versus Ravens

On SF:

-Alex threw for 145 yards on last two drives, and still didn't throw for 300. They also benefited from several shortened field scores. Saint D held them in check until the end when Williams got over-aggressive and put Jenkins on Davis in Cover 0

-Saints couldn't get pressure with 4 rushers which forced blitzes, though the Cover 0 stuff seemed ill advised when man free had worked most of the game

-Alex made throws when it mattered, but it doesn't change his weaknesses. SF tried to hide him until the end where he had to throw

-Brees threw 63 times. TDs and yardage inflated. SF defense was dominant. As good as they were, they still trailed with at the end of the game. Really have to carry offense

NYG:

-Key to game was re-routing GB's slot guys

-Letting Rodgers scramble for 1st down is actually a win for defense. Eagerness to run means he's out of his rhythm with WRs

Didn't finish the podcast as it's rather long but the Giants stuff is towards the end
 
Wellington said:
On Sanchez:


Someone made a decent point about Eli Manning versus a guy like Matt Ryan with ints. Said Eli often gets a ton of ints because he just doesn't give a fuck and is looking to make plays and push the ball down the field, no matter how tight the window. Also said that he'd just come back and do it again with no hesitation. Yeah it's a gunslinger mentality, but if you have a QB with no balls he's only going to take you as far as the D and running game will carry you. Sanchez is a perfect example of that this year, they diminished the running game and the D was not as effective as it was in the past and the Jets regressed..
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Can't remember where I read it, but it was something along the lines that a lot of QBs throw too few INTs. Just like you say, they aren't being aggressive. Too me, this is a lot on coaching. Some coaches just cannot mentally cope with TOs, and kick and scream and yell at rookies to not throw INTs. I think this is particularly true of defensive coaches. That's the way Capers tried to handle David Carr
 
Guys I had the worst nightmare. Texans played against a Sesame Street team and lost in a playoff game. Bert kept handing the ball off to Ernie, and every time Yates threw the ball, I could hear someone yelling "ONE INTERCEPTION! TWO INTERCEPTIONS! THREE INTERCEPTIONS! AH HAH HAH HAH!"

It was scary. :(
 
TheLegendary said:
I think pressure can come from either the DL or an actual decent OLBer opposite Matthews. Capers was afraid to use bump and run (which our CBs excel at) because of the lack of pass rush. Rewatch the games from 2010. So much tight man coverage because the pass rush was suffocating. Watch how much shitty zone we played this year in comparison.

I don't care how we get it but pass rush needs to be our main priority. Raji and his whole family should feel ashamed of his performance this year.
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I don't know what Ted Thompson will do, but I just traded Raji's busted ass in the GAF Madden league so props to me!!

I've only been scorlling, but i haven't noticed anyone bitching about the atrocious performance this year from Tramon Williams. I don't know if it was the shoulder injury or what, but he covered like Seahorn and tackled like Deion all God damn year. 8-12 yard cushions, slow cuts, even getting beat on deep balls.

Raji I expected to have a down year, he wasn't very good last year until the playoffs, but Tramon signing a contract then shitting the bed completely is more than a little disturbing.


-Letting Rodgers scramble for 1st down is actually a win for defense. Eagerness to run means he's out of his rhythm with WRs
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Horseshit. He was never "eager" to run. You want to claim that a 3rd and 8 scramble for a first down to keep the drive alive is a win? Get fuuuuucked. I guaranty you analysts weren't saying the same thing the first time those two teams met and Rodgers was the leading rusher while putting up 40 points.
 
The LDT interview was good but LDT can't say someone needs a "fire lit under him" or needs another QB to "challenge him" (which does not happen in the league, ever),and then in the same sentence say he's not lazy. Semantics. Mincing words. Sanchez is lazy, just come out and say it.
 
JB1981 said:
The LDT interview was good but LDT can't say someone needs a "fire lit under him" or needs another QB to "challenge him" (which does not happen in the league, ever),and then in the same sentence say he's not lazy. Semantics. Mincing words. Sanchez is lazy, just come out and say it.
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Nah, I'm going to disagree with that. If you know you're expendable, you work harder. The greats eventually become somewhat irreplaceable, but that doesn't happen in just 4 years. I think it's absolutely crucial for new QBs to have some sense of competition for their job. Once they pick up the speed of the game and learn to develop the other mental aspects of the game, you're totally right.
 
WanderingWind said:
Nah, I'm going to disagree with that. If you know you're expendable, you work harder. The greats eventually become somewhat irreplaceable, but that doesn't happen in just 4 years. I think it's absolutely crucial for new QBs to have some sense of competition for their job. Once they pick up the speed of the game and learn to develop the other mental aspects of the game, you're totally right.
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Back-up QBs are insurance policies. They do not exist to light a fire under anyone starting QBs ass.
 
JB1981 said:
Back-up QBs are insurance policies. They do not exist to light a fire under anyone starting QBs ass.
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I think it's just human nature to work hard when you know you're instantly replaceable. Sanchez has known he was the only QB basically his entire career. Why work harder when everybody will just make excuses for your lack of work ethic? Some will not care about that, and again, once you're at a certain level it's useless. Nobody would believe that Mallett is honestly competing with Brady, but if NY had a decent backup you think Sanchez wouldn't work harder?

We use to just call that drive to improve regardless "heart" and Sanchez has shown none of it.
 
WanderingWind said:
I think it's just human nature to work hard when you know you're instantly replaceable. Sanchez has known he was the only QB basically his entire career. Why work harder when everybody will just make excuses for your lack of work ethic? Some will not care about that, and again, once you're at a certain level it's useless. Nobody would believe that Mallett is honestly competing with Brady, but if NY had a decent backup you think Sanchez wouldn't work harder?

We use to just call that drive to improve regardless "heart" and Sanchez has shown none of it.
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I think now might be an appropriate invocation of the old cliche "If you have two starting quarterbacks, you actually have none."
 
Slo said:
I think now might be an appropriate invocation of the old cliche "If you have two starting quarterbacks, you actually have none."
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And then one could invoke the old cliche of "putting all your eggs in one basket."

I don't really see how this a contentious point, to be honest. People work harder if they know they're replaceable. To some teams "next man up" or "nobody is above being cut" is mouth service, but time and time again we've seen it be exactly true as well. The Packers did just fine without their legendary guy. The 49ers did too.

Again, it's blatantly obvious that Sanchez has shown zero growth as a QB. I don't think it a stretch to attribute a bit of that to the fact that he's never been fearful of losing his starting position. He whined his ass off to anybody who would listen when he was almost benched after going 17 of 33 for 164 yards and three interceptions.
 
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