Raise the flame shield: Your "controversial" gaming opinion.

Xux - I would like to say that you are the person I disagree with the most in this entire thread. Always good to see someone with such wildly different opinions than my own :)

Murrah said:
I've been gaming for nearly 20 years and I think the Wii has the best library of any console. Like, ever. Even ignoring first party games I think the library's pretty great, to the point where this has been the first gen where I've been a one console owner. I'm a sick pup
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I think the majority of indie games suck. I can't put more than 30 minutes at a time into them without getting really bored and backing out. I feel like this is because more often than not they focus on some kind of gimmick or idea but that's it, they never go on from there. Pushing your block with physics was mildly entertaining the first time, 3 hours in I'm out. Staring at your hard to see black and white art style was cute and hip for 5 minutes, now I'm bored.

I do try to play every one I buy on Steam too (either through humble bundles or cheap steam sales for the prizes they offer) but they never catch my attention. I've already gone through all of the ones I bought during this last winter sale and uninstalled them already. The only one I've ever put a lot of time into was Terraria because there was an actual substantial game there. I put like 40 hours into that (haven't gone back since they put the big patch in though, I'll get there eventually) and it even made my goty list this year.

I have no shame in admitting I prefer the bigger budget games.
 
L.A. Noir is definitely a flawed game with some very dumb stuff at the end. Also, I know what they were trying to go for with the homicidal missions (and I did like how it ended) I felt like they should've removed that whole part and made it DLC. It's disconnected from the overall story and changing the format of the crimes you solved
(serial killing, and you're sort of knowingly throwing innocent people in jail)
felt very strange if only because it occurs early on.

Even still, like how some people can get sucked into a Bethesda game. This game won me over with it's very awesome setting and music, I felt immersed in it (until the awful ending.) I think the divider for people is whether it felt like they were playing a picture hunt or they felt like a goddamn 1940s serial series detective.
 
I downloaded Sonic CD on my Android, and it's frankly the only game I've ever seriously tried to get a refund on.
It's not the port's fault. The game just isn't... enjoyable.

Also, Sonic and the Secret Rings was the single best Sonic game (besides Sonic Rush) of the past decade.
 
Some more:

-Bioshock gets pretty boring after a while.

-God Of War games are very mediocre compared to DMC/Bayonetta.

-Warcraft 3 is the best RTS ever made and shits on Starcraft 1/2 for example (is this even controversial?).

-Theres absolutely NOTHING wrong in fixed camera angles and tank controls.

-Wii is super dissapointing system compared to PS3/360.

-Vanilla WoW was pretty bad :D.

-CTR>any Mario Kart.

-Portable Ops is almost unplayable.
 
I would honestly be glad to see Nintendo go third party. Not even trying to troll.

...And give my right nut for Sega to return with a powerhouse console.
 
Zeal said:
I would honestly be glad to see Nintendo go third party. Not even trying to troll.

...And give my right nut for Sega to return with a powerhouse console.
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Oh God yes. I really wish Sega didn't discontinue the Dreamcast, I can't help but think the industry would be considerable better today if they had stayed and MS never came in.
 
Murrah said:
I've been gaming for nearly 20 years and I think the Wii has the best library of any console. Like, ever. Even ignoring first party games I think the library's pretty great, to the point where this has been the first gen where I've been a one console owner. I'm a sick pup
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While I wasn't a single console owner for most of the gen (recently sold my 360 that I never played), I don't disagree with the Wii having a great library. I have close to 50 games for the thing.
 
At the end of the Dreamcast I had almost 43 games.

Aside from stuff like Powerstone, MvC, Soul Calibur, Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, and Sword of the Berserk I can safely say some of the biggest games for that system were almost complete and utter crap. Shenmue is quite possibly the most unfun "game" I've ever played. The atmosphere, campy story, arcade classics, and horrendous acting I consider pluses. Both Sonic Adventure games wouldn't have been good 3D platformers on the Playstation. Much prettier sure, but the core game just wasn't fun.

I still look back on it fondly, but good God was that platform plagued with crap.
 
TheLastCandle said:
While I wasn't a single console owner for most of the gen (recently sold my 360 that I never played), I don't disagree with the Wii having a great library. I have close to 50 games for the thing.
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I'll build my next opinion off of this one, although it isn't targeted at you particularly: gamers who complain that there's nothing to play on any of the current consoles must have the attention span of gnats, running through games like they're squares of toilet paper. The idea of throughly playing 30 games thoroughly in one five or six-year generation (never mind 50 - wow!) is completely foreign to me; aside from school children with minimal homework and a free summer, or retirees, or those who are unemployed/shut-in, who has that kind of time?

Then there are the multi-platform-owning folks complaining.. what do you all do for a living to the point where you have such an incredible amount of free time for gaming?

This topic has always been a complete mystery to me, especially when I see the popularity of the backlog threads. Grown adults, presumably with 40-hr/week jobs and families, with this complaint? Incredible.
 
HylianTom said:
I'll build my next opinion off of this one, although it isn't targeted at you particularly: gamers who complain that there's nothing to play on any of the current consoles must have the attention span of gnats, running through games like they're squares of toilet paper. The idea of throughly playing 30 games thoroughly in one five or six-year generation (never mind 50 - wow!) is completely foreign to me; aside from school children with minimal homework and a free summer, or retirees, or those who are unemployed/shut-in, who has that kind of time?

Then there are the multi-platform-owning folks complaining.. what do you all do for a living to the point where you have such an incredible amount of free time for gaming?

This topic has always been a complete mystery to me, especially when I see the popularity of the backlog threads. Grown adults, presumably with 40-hr/week jobs and families, with this complaint? Incredible.
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I was definitely that kid last gen. I owned obscene amounts of games for all four consoles each a library of at least 20 games. DC got the most, followed by GCN, PS2 and then Xbox.

This gen I've bought twenty disc games tops. Wii has the most, and then my 360. I've bought lots and lots of bite sized games, and classics.

I've distilled my choices. I seem to be less likely to go for games that may interest me than I am games I know will interest me. And then play them to the point of madness.

Also I just read my post up there earlier and I said I almost had 43 dreamcast games. That sentence doesn't really make sense. I can't remember if I bought that survival horror Jaleco game or if I rented it.
 
Online multi-player sucks.
I think that Microsoft's model for the future is retarded and would rather them not return.
Only 2 or 3 games this generation are worth their $60 price tag.
Motion controls are the single worst thing to happen to video games.
Sly cooper games are incredibly boring.
God of War 3 is the worst God of War game (this includes the PSP games).
Japanese publishers (except for nintendo) really really suck right now.
I have never liked a game made by Bioware.
 
Murrah said:
I've been gaming for nearly 20 years and I think the Wii has the best library of any console. Like, ever. Even ignoring first party games I think the library's pretty great, to the point where this has been the first gen where I've been a one console owner. I'm a sick pup
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Could you provide a list of some of the non first party games that you think are awesome/under-appreciated. I don't want to discuss the list, just want some good recommendations. I really love adventure games like Another Code. Do you have any recommendations there?
 
Xux said:
All of them do since they seem to stick to throw away genres like WRPGs and RTS' and make a lot of games that are too open-ended or have too much customization.
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Oh no! too much customization... How awful

And those are the genres they are good at, why would they do anything else?
It's like blaming Nintendo for sticking to mario and zelda, or platinum games for releasing nothing but action games(except for that RPG they made for the DS)
 
HylianTom said:
I'll build my next opinion off of this one, although it isn't targeted at you particularly: gamers who complain that there's nothing to play on any of the current consoles must have the attention span of gnats, running through games like they're squares of toilet paper. The idea of throughly playing 30 games thoroughly in one five or six-year generation (never mind 50 - wow!) is completely foreign to me; aside from school children with minimal homework and a free summer, or retirees, or those who are unemployed/shut-in, who has that kind of time?

Then there are the multi-platform-owning folks complaining.. what do you all do for a living to the point where you have such an incredible amount of free time for gaming?

This topic has always been a complete mystery to me, especially when I see the popularity of the backlog threads. Grown adults, presumably with 40-hr/week jobs and families, with this complaint? Incredible.
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You realise that amounts to 6-8 games a year. Or one every 2 months. And given that the average game takes 10-12 hours to finish, that works out as less than 2 hours a week.

2 hours of gaming a week is excessive to you? Shit, I probably game for around 2 hours every day. Hoe do you ever finish anything?
 
Xux said:
All of them do since they seem to stick to throw away genres like WRPGs and RTS' and make a lot of games that are too open-ended or have too much customization.
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Why are they throw away genres? Not too mention what is the problem with a game being open ended or having a lot of customisation (that seems like a compliment to me).

-NinjaBoiX- said:
You realise that amounts to 6-8 games a year. Or one every 2 months. And given that the average game takes 10-12 hours to finish, that works out as less than 2 hours a week.

2 hours of gaming a week is excessive to you? Shit, I probably game for around 2 hours every day. Hoe do you ever finish anything?
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The only problem here is you are massively simplifying something to fit your own experience. There are a lot of games that take a considerable amount more time than 10-12 hours to finish. Also as he said he doesn't just want to run through games, some people may like to continue playing a game after they have won the single player once. That's before you get into games which have MP.

I completely agree with his point.
 
AdventureRacing said:
The only problem here is you are massively simplifying something to fit your own experience. There are a lot of games that take a considerable amount more time than 10-12 hours to finish. Also as he said he doesn't just want to run through games, some people may like to continue playing a game after they have won the single player once. That's before you get into games which have MP.

I completely agree with his point.
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OK then, let's double, hell screw it, let's triple the time it takes to play a game then, that's still around 5-6 hours a week. Less than an hour a day. That is far from excessive. He basically sounds suprised that people find the time to finish 5 games a year. I wonder if he actually games at all if less than an hour a day is excessive. Just sayin'.
 
Witcher:
The fighting is retarded and boring.

Res:
This game is just fucking dull as hell.

Bioshock:
This was a fucking nightmare on consoles due to the controls.

Oblivion/Skyrim:
These are are both great games as long as you don't need to use melee combat, which is utterly horrible. Actually, Oblivion was horrible as soon as you entered a city due to the npcs. Amazing worls to run around in, though.

Warhawk:
The flight controls in Warhawk are the worst I have ever tried. Mind you, I like simulators.

Assasins Creed:
All the Assasins Creed games I have tried had horrible controls when jumping around.

Battlefield 3:
BF3 is a game full of unecessary gimmicks. 50% of the unlocks should have been left out

Left 4 Dead:
All games with running and otherwise gimmicky zombies are crap.

Bastion:
I just find it boring, and the speaker really makes the game worse.

Metal Gear Solid:
While I enjoyed MGS4, it is one of the only games that I have fallen asleep to several times.

Team Fortress 2:
This is a game with a lottery aiming system, and the medic/heavy functionality is just plain boring.

StarCraft II:
While it can be fun to watch games, the gameplay is crap compared to that of Company of Heroes.

Smash Bros:
Can be played by retarded people, with closed eyes and/or by animals. Same fucking result as playing against humans.

Demons Souls/Dark Souls:
These are two of the best games ever made. Bugs included.

Jumpgate and World War II Online/Battleground Europe:
These are two of the best MMOs ever made.

World of Warcraft:
Should never have moved beyond level 60. The rest should have been focused on patches and world PVP.

Killzone:
The multiplayer was really bad.

Games in general:
Are almost always better on PC unless it is a shitty port.

FPS on consoles:
Is retarded. Yeah, pretty much explains the Killzone and bioshock part.
 
Do away with the following genres RTS, FPS, and Turn Based RPGs. All companies should now focus only on Fighting, Platformers, Action/Adventure, and Action RPGs.
 
Billen said:
FPS on consoles is retarded
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As retarded as making a broad sweeping generalisation with zero explanation? I think trying to use a device used for typing, and another used for navigating an OS as an input method for an FPS is retarded. It's like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.

Controllers are the square peg. M+KB isn't even a peg, it's something else entirely. It blows my mind that people have trouble believing a purpose bullt device is better suited than a "make do and mend" solution, becuase that's what M+KB is, making do with what you have to hand.
 
galactus_eat_world said:
Do away with the following genres RTS, FPS, and Turn Based RPGs. All companies should now focus only on Fighting, Platformers, Action/Adventure, and Action RPGs.
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A world I never want to live in. All game genres have merit.

Personally my sin is I love Capcom. I liked the Lost Planets, the actioney RE games, and even their new take on Devil May Cry.
 
-NinjaBoiX- said:
As retarded as making a broad sweeping generalisation with zero explanation? I think trying to use a device used for typing, and another used for navigating an OS as an input method for an FPS is retarded. It's like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.

Controllers are the square peg. M+KB isn't even a peg, it's something else entirely. It blows my mind that people have trouble believing a purpose bullt device is better suited than a "make do and mend" solution, becuase that's what M+KB is, making do with what you have to hand.
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Explanation:
Precision. There is a reason people aren't using controllers when working. See also: auto aim.
 
Sseklebeast said:
<3 <3 totally agree
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I do as well. I would find no shame in companies completely ripping off Dark Souls combat and using it in their own games. Please, someone, rip it off, I want to see it in other game worlds, but I want FROMSOFTWARE to continue doing what their doing. I don't use the word innovative a lot, and people love to bring up irrelevant examples, but no game does online like Demon/Dark Souls. Blood stains, phantoms, invasions, etc. Some see it as a broken or inconsistent version of proper multiplayer, while its true that some of it was poor netcode and network issues, the actual concept is a big part of its charm.
 
Billen said:
The console market and many, many of my COD playing friends say otherwise. And yeah, speaking of COD... :D
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They're playing FPSes with a goddamn pad, their opinion is irrelevant. They might as well just play it with their feet or something.
 
Billen said:
Jumpgate and World War II Online/Battleground Europe:
These are two of the best MMOs ever made.
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Jumpgate got released? I'll have to agree with you on WWIIOnline, loved that game.

I'll raise you Subspace/Continuum was one of the best online experiences ever. SWR for life.
 
-Figthing games are boring

-THe only good 3D 3rd person action games are max payne1&2 and RE4.(the controversial part is them being the only ones,not them being good,of course)
 
Well,
God of War is overrated. So is Shadow of the Colossus.
Final Fantasy VI isn't that much.
World Cup 98 on the Nintendo 64 is the best soccer game ever.
 
I find most cartoony, "made-for-kids" kart racers more fun than their adult equivalent.

See, Crash Team Racing, Crash Tag-team racing, Mario Kart, Sonic & SEGA all-star racing.
 
Metroid Prime 2 is the best game of the series.

Beyond Good & Evil is extremely overrated.

the Nintendo Wii is my favourite console ever. Not only the games from nintendo were stellar as usual but i actually enjoyed a lot of third party offerings, a lot of niche japanese games (thank you rising star games) and even some of those often called "test games". for the most part of this gen i've been a wii-only owner (i just got a 360 this christmas) and i own more than 100 games for the wii, more than 150 if you count wiiware and virtual console games.
 
First off:

Alex Kierkegaard of Insomnia is not a fool. I think he's extremely profound, actually, though I do disagree with his theories on the semantics of some genres (namely: JRPGs, because his argument revolves more around the stat-heavy tabletop games being the definition of a role-playing game, whereas I'm more inclined to think that, if every game has role-playing in it, then no game can be called a role-playing game with a straight face in such a case!). He also does a great job of cleaning up his forums, and he's improved them considerably with the new Casual board and with some new rules. Still hard to approach as always.

Sega > Nintendo, and the same can be said in favor of Konami, SNK, and Capcom. Arcade games are my favorite games.

Megaman Legends is not a Megaman series of games, outside of its happy disposition. It's a great example of early-3D Metroidvania, however, and I adore Data's dance.
 
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