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[diffusionx]

I voted for Xbox 360. Not that it's a bad system at all, it's just not the amazing thing people remember it. It was awesome for the first 4 or 5 years but then microsoft went full kinect dumbass shit. Not to mention setting into motion many of the worst things everyone hates now (horse armor etc.). Oh, and RROD, coffins, all that shit.

The point is that, yes, being a Saturn owner back in the day in the west mostly sucked, but things have changed now since we're getting tons of Japanese exclusive games translated while we're also being able to easily get them running thanks to all the ODEs, the Saroos and the whatevers.
The console is madly underrated and it deserves to have the little to decent resurgence it's getting in these like 10 years or so.
I could even say it's one of the "better aged" of that gen thanks to all the wonderful 2d games in it's library.

Agreed. As someone who had a Saturn back in the day, you really had to spend a ton of money to import the good shit and even then so much of it was cut off because of language barriers. You don't need to invest like that anymore.

 

[Topher]

- Hyped/overhyped = anticipation/energy BEFORE or AT release
- Overrated = criticism AFTER or DURING the popularity phase

Still, some people apparently don't understand this and defend their plastic toys as if their life depends on it.

We can look at the generation as a whole, not just before and after, and say Xbox Series was indeed overrated and its lack of popularity shows that.

 

[Horseganador]

PS5 is the worst PS in history according to GAF and at the same time it's the most overrated in history. What a joke these "polls" are, they are only good for counting haters.

 

[Cakeboxer]

We can look at the generation as a whole, not just before and after, and say Xbox Series was indeed overrated and its lack of popularity shows that.

Two completely different things in my book. The lack of popularity only shows that it's not overrated.. If someone makes a thread "most overhyped console" Xbox will probably much higher ans the other results would also be different.

 

[RoboFu]

PS5 is the worst PS in history according to GAF and at the same time it's the most overrated in history. What a joke these "polls" are.

But those two things line up perfectly.

All the good ps5 exclusives except 2 can be had ( will be had )on pc.
Ps5 doesn't have any super break out exclusive like bloodborne on ps4.

Consoles in general have lost their identity and value over just getting a decent pc.


But beyond all of that... I own every PlayStation console right and if I had to get rid of one the ps5 would be the one to go no question about it.

 

[Alan Wake]

The point is that, yes, being a Saturn owner back in the day in the west mostly sucked, but things have changed now since we're getting tons of Japanese exclusive games translated while we're also being able to easily get them running thanks to all the ODEs, the Saroos and the whatevers.
The console is madly underrated and it deserves to have the little to decent resurgence it's getting in these like 10 years or so.
I could even say it's one of the "better aged" of that gen thanks to all the wonderful 2d games in it's library.

I guess we should separate the present from the past when judging the Saturn. It sucked back in the day, yes. Now, when we can play the games at will and don't have to bother with the droughts we suffered back then, it's easier to enjoy the system for what it is. I have bought a few games that I have yet to enjoy, Deep Fear being one of them. Sadly, PAL Saturn is expensive to collect for.

 

[clappedcheeks]

- Hyped/overhyped = anticipation/energy BEFORE or AT release
- Overrated = criticism AFTER or DURING the popularity phase

Still, some people apparently don't understand this and defend their plastic toys as if their life depends on it.

You got me on the use of hype forgetting that the title is overrated. The media overrated the series x on its ability to dominate on the technical side of things and popularity or timeframe has no bearing on whether something can be considered overrated.

 

[Topher]

Two completely different things in my book. The lack of popularity only shows that it's not overrated.. If someone makes a thread "most overhyped console" Xbox will probably much higher ans the other results would also be different.

That's your book though. Folks can argue that overhyped and overrated overlap in many ways. The lack of popularity could attributed to the console being overrated by the general gaming public. It was highly praised early and that wasn't just hype. It was based on its specs and features. Either way, I don't think any of these arguments are automatically "defending" plastic toys. Semantics and perspective play a part.

 

[Cakeboxer]

That's your book though. Folks can argue that overhyped and overrated overlap in many ways. The lack of popularity could attributed to the console being overrated by the general gaming public. It was highly praised early and that wasn't just hype. It was based on its specs and features. Either way, I don't think any of these arguments are automatically "defending" plastic toys. Semantics and perspective play a part.

Make a poll thread with overhyped and i bet Series will get more votes and PS5 less votes compared to this poll. 98 votes for PS5 and only 14 for Series tell me that most people also see a difference between overhyped and overrated, because Series was clearly overhyped. Switch should get way less votes, because many people predicted a failure after the reveal.

 

[Vaquilla]

I agree with some of this, but what single banger -ie not a generic FPS over the shoulder dude bro shooter - that still holds up today was on Xbox that the Wii didn't have an alternative?

Skyward Sword is quite possibly the best version of that genre - bar none IMHO - because of the one to one motion controls of sword and shield and the game in general on such weak hardware is still a good looking banger even today....and Wii Sports Tennis which is the origin of Switch Sports Tennis is arguable one of the simplest but best games of all time at a Pac-Man or Tetris 'best' level.

All these years on where the shine of all games from that era has dulled - because people are fixated with 4K, 1440p and DLSS, VRR and higher frame-rates on those types of generic games - the Wii's best games wipe the floor with anything on the PC in a box 360 library IMO... and only at the time would only having just a Wii have felt gated from many games and missing out.

Honestly, if you picked any one console that gen (or most gens really) as your sole platform you were missing out on a ton of good stuff.

Some of the best experiences I had that generation were on Wii.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Agreed. As someone who had a Saturn back in the day, you really had to spend a ton of money to import the good shit and even then so much of it was cut off because of language barriers. You don't need to invest like that anymore.

That's hardly the fault of the system and more the inept management at SEGA America

I voted for Xbox 360. Not that it's a bad system at all, it's just not the amazing thing people remember it. It was awesome for the first 4 or 5 years but then microsoft went full kinect dumbass shit. Not to mention setting into motion many of the worst things everyone hates now (horse armor etc.). Oh, and RROD, coffins, all that shit.

I very much agree and while people look to blame the Xbox One and Don Mattrick for all the issues and troubles.

People forget and overlook it all started with the Xbox 360 and under Robbie Bach.. The sell-off and closure of studios, allowing IP like Mass Effect, Lost Planet, Ninja Gaiden to go multiplatform, stopping exclusives from FromSoftware, Mistwalker Ect so Xbox could give that waste of space Kinect $500 million in support .

People also seem to forget that Xbox 360 gave us the era of $60 games( which is like 80 now) where Xbox increased the price of the base unit over 4 years in and looking to blame exchange rates and inflation


One's got to love those rose tinted glasses

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Gotta be PS5 is you're a multiconsole gamer. If you've got a PS4 Pro, and Xbox and a PC; PS5 gives you nothing. The hardware is great, maybe their best ever compared to the field, but the truly exclusive games are just simply not there. The only use case is if you're dead set on being a one-machine gamer, it's OK, but even then, all the best stuff can be played on your old PS4 Pro.

No 7th gen backwards compatibility is awful too.

 

[cartman414]

It has to be the Saturn and Dreamcast. But not because of the consoles themselves but because of the way old Sega fans behave and post about them. Feels like every single post is full of butthurt and resentment as they desperately try to convince you both of these consoles were the best thing humanity created while the competing consoles at the time were junk that got everyone else fooled.

Not a Sega ride-or-die, but the Saturn held up better than the PS1 when it came to 2d.

The vast majority of Saturn's multiplats were inferior to PlayStation, and there would often be a lag between releases.

There's been a bit of hype of YouTube about how much of a hidden gem the Saturn is and, as someone who owned one back in the day, temper your expectations.

1996 was a great year for Sega's first party (Sega Rally and Virtua Fighter 2 slipped into that year here in the UK), but after that it just died on its arse in terms of game releases in the west.

The 3d games, sure. But for the 2d ones (see: Capcom fighters, shmups, etc.), the Saturn curbstomped the PS1.

Not agreeing with the PS2 being overrated. Yeah it had jaggies, but it was leagues more consistent on delivering more cohesive 3d experiences than the prior gen.

The PS1 on the other hand really showed its age.

I find it a little hilarious how people calling Ocarina one of the highlights of the N64 are holding BotW and TotK against the Switch.

 

[cartman414]

Sega Saturn has been overrated over the recent years, decade or so even...fair enough it was the most affordable way to play Neo-Geo like games, but there is a reason why it fell short globally, and not only the PSX but the N64 trounced it completely (from a sales perspective)...with it's mesh transparency speciality, it was a hap-hazardly put together system and it shows....

Perhaps. But at least it aged way better in the 2d department, whereas the other two were also dated when it came to 3d.

 

[cartman414]

And one of those 8 is one of the greatest FPS games of all time, and the best Bond game of all time: Golden Eye...a game even the PSX would be proud to have...(even if it wouldn't have looked half as good.)

If you don't mind choppy framerates.

 

[RAIDEN1]

If you don't mind choppy framerates.

Well it wasn't so choppy to the deteriment of the game, or impacted it's sales in anyway at the time..

 

[Parazels]

I went with the Gamecube. Beloved by many but it didn't actually have that many great games.

The console with such low sales numbers can't be overrated by default. The GameCube is a typical underrated console, not overrated.

 

[Madserb2023]

I am going to go with the PS2. Amazing system overall but as somebody who owned all the consoles at the time, it just wasn't as impressive to me. I actually vividly remember playing Soul Calibur in the morning and getting a PS2 the same day and trying Tekken Tag 2 and wonder why it was blurry. A very common thing with PS2 games that was noticable especially if you went from playing Halo or Metroid etc. people talk about the dithering now on PS2 especially with more people collecting Dreamcast and GameCube games now. I noticed it at the time.

 

[Parazels]

Let's define what an overrated console is.

It's certainly a console with high sales numbers that seem undeserved from a modern point of view.

I think the PS2 is the perfect candidate for the role. The console itself had poor hardware. This means it couldn't attract developers unless there were commercial reasons to work with it.

Therefore the PS2 gained its success thanks to marketing and nothing else.

 

[roosnam1980]

Let's define what an overrated console is.

It's certainly a console with high sales numbers that seem undeserved from a modern point of view.

I think the PS2 is the perfect candidate for the role. The console itself had poor hardware. This means it couldn't attract developers unless there were commercial reasons to work with it.

Therefore the PS2 gained its success thanks to marketing and nothing else.

hardware based BC with ps1
DVD player
those dont count?

 

[Parazels]

hardware based BC with ps1
DVD player
those dont count?

BC is good, I agree.
DVD player? Four gamepad ports would have been more useful for a gaming device.

 

[Topher]

Make a poll thread with overhyped and i bet Series will get more votes and PS5 less votes compared to this poll. 98 votes for PS5 and only 14 for Series tell me that most people also see a difference between overhyped and overrated, because Series was clearly overhyped. Switch should get way less votes, because many people predicted a failure after the reveal.

I'm not going to create a thread, but you could be right and that's how many others see it. I imagine many won't though. That's kind of my point overall. It isn't automatically defending plastic toys either way.

 

[roosnam1980]

BC is good, I agree.
DVD player? Four gamepad ports would have been more useful for a gaming device.

i understand , but they had to sell units to casuals to expand the user base with the free DVD player bonus

 

[Parazels]

i understand , but they had to sell units to casuals to expand the user base with the free DVD player bonus

This is how marketing overweights common sense. And that's why the PS2 is an overrated console.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I was never enamoured with PS2, still feel it's a good console and I can see why so many love it, it's just that I preferred the GameCube and especially the OG Xbox. It was disappointing what happened with the Dreamcast too.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

The console itself had poor hardware.

Can you prove it?

 

[roosnam1980]

This is how marketing overweights common sense.

gotta lure those casuals in somehow , convert them into console gamers , expand the user base..................

 

[Parazels]

Can you prove it?

 

[Madserb2023]

The problem with the PS2 is that because it was so dominant, most people only had a PS2 and never touched any of the other systems at the time. Makes it quite unique and more difficult to discuss. There was also no Digital Foundry. I remember playing Jak 2 straight after playing on the GC. Great game but I was thinking why is the image so blurry and what is with all the weird tearing at the top of the screen. I would tell somebody, and they would be like I can't notice it. Jaggies, screen tearing, blurry image etc all much more common on the PS2 but at the time there was no frame of reference.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

a second-class game is the proof wow

 

[Parazels]

a second-class game is the proof wow

 

[Parazels]

If in the 2000s we had "blind" multiplatform comparisons, nobody would have opted for the PS2.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

If in the 2000s we had "blind" multiplatform comparisons, nobody would have bought the PS2.

why ?

 

[Parazels]

why ?

Because in many cases the PS2 was inferior even to the Dreamcast, let alone the other consoles!

 

[PaintTinJr]

... The console itself had poor hardware. ...

Therefore the PS2 gained its success thanks to marketing and nothing else.

Are you referring to its technical capabilities or the compromises of the commonly sold console package - withno HDD/network card?

If you are talking about the former, I can only guess you haven't played MGS2 on it and on the much newer highly subsidized OG Xbox where metal gear ray battle freeze the OG Xbox because of particle fx meaning the system actually tanks its frame-rate temporarily to 0 fps.

As for the latter, the PS2 should have had an HDD as standard or some highspeed fast non-volatile storage solution internal or using the firewire port and for it to be at least 2x the size of its memory to give 100MB of a pagefile to games. Double the RAM and a stream writable storage device would have carried the PS2 to far more sub-generation leaps with its game graphics.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

If in the 2000s we had "blind" multiplatform comparisons, nobody would have opted for the PS2.

Nah.

Even today Xbox Series X has extra power advantage. It cannot convert it into sales.

Cause games don't look better on Series X. Something to do with optimisation?

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

Because in many cases the PS2 was inferior even to the Dreamcast, let alone the other consoles!

cheap ports man, there were comparisons in the 2000s, including Dead or Alive 2, PS2 version had more content, lighting, 60fps on cutscenes and effects people preferred these things. All you had to do was play Ridge Racer V or SSX to know the Dreamcast had been surpassed.
ps2 was so devastating that the Dreamcast couldn't continue, but if it continues, you know, it would always be the worst version of the multiplatform, just like what happened with Evil Twin, half life.

We've already talked about the gc, there's a game called Burnout 3 which the console didn't have the juice to run, tomb raider legend at 20fps with no shadows, nfs totally downgraded, medal of honor rising sun missing cgi even using 2 discs, missing grass etc f1 2002 aka f1 2001 at 20fps, a user mentioned Jak 2 maybe he thinks that gc could run jak 2.

 

[Hudo]

no. 2tb xbox is more expensive than pro. The prices have changed remember?
and normal xbox series x is not a fair comparison to ps5 pro... because it's weaker and got half the size of ssd. of course.
and the drive prices came down. Not scalped anymore.

I am not sure what your point is here. I have agreed that the PS5 is a better buy than an Xbox. And that's mostly down to Xbox being in a situation where it could be that Santa Nutella just shuts down Xbox's hardware division completely.

 

[Parazels]

cheap ports man, there were comparisons in the 2000s, including Dead or Alive 2, PS2 version had more content, lighting, 60fps on cutscenes and effects people preferred these things. All you had to do was play Ridge Racer V or SSX to know the Dreamcast had been surpassed.
ps2 was so devastating that the Dreamcast couldn't continue, but if it continues, you know, it would always be the worst version of the multiplatform, just like what happened with Evil Twin, half life.

We've already talked about the gc, there's a game called Burnout 3 which the console didn't have the juice to run, tomb raider legend at 20fps with no shadows, nfs totally downgraded, medal of honor rising sun missing cgi even using 2 discs, missing grass etc f1 2002 aka f1 2001 at 20fps, a user mentioned Jak 2 maybe he thinks that gc could run jak 2.

Consoles with poor sales often get less optimized games even if their hardware is superior.

You silly customers enthroned the mediocre PS2 instead of the GC and/or Xbox!

 

[Thabass]

SNES has a ton of games that are amazing, so yeah definitely disagree with you there.

Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy IV/VI
Super Metroid
Super Mario World
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Donkey Kong Country I, II, and III
Ken Griffey Jr. Presents MLB
Super R Type
Super Mario Kart
Earthbound
F-Zero
Star Fox

Man I could go on, but I will stop there. Just silly that anyone would mention SNES and overrated in the same breath and actually be serious about it...it just baffles me.

Espeically when the N64 and Xbox are right there. N64 specifically has a very few games that I would consider great:

Super Mario 64
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time / Majora's Mask
F Zero X
Star Fox 64
WWF No Mercy (or any of the AKI wrestling games)
Mario Kart 64

Just not a comparison in my book.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

Consoles with poor sales often get less optimized games even if their hardware is superior.

If the GameCube had sold more, would that make the Medal of Honor Rising Sun CGI appear on it? Since even using 2 discs this wasn't possible... If the GameCube had sold more, would that make the songs in Def Jam ffny appear on it? Would it make the mini DVD fit 4.7GB instead of 1.5GB?
''hardware superior'' forget this revisionism bro.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

People don't seem to understand what overrated means.

I consider the PS2 to be overrated because I felt it was the weakest of the consoles it was competing against: Xbox and Gamecube. That does not mean I consider it bad.

I find people saying PS5 is overrated to be interesting since I am unaware of many who consider the PS5 to be truly great. Most people rate it as mid.

 

[AJUMP23]

PS5 seems powerful, but no games to take advantage of it. Been a poor development pipeline for Sony.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

PS4

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

I am voting series because they promised same performance for s as they did for x but at 1440p.
There are way worse consoles on there but who cares. It's not a ps5, that I know fucking for sure

35 trolls who voted for ps5... why? Why it's overrated?

Embarrassing man

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Xbox 360
Rushed out the door with horrible hardware faults.
Was not really popular globally and finished the gen in third place.
A ton of very generic and bland shooter games.
It was underpowered for the HD games it was made to play and is responsible for the culture of pixel counting and frame pacing analysis just so people could work out how fucked and bad the 360 games they were playing really were.
You might be nostalgic about it because you had one at college and you played it with your brother or something, but for me it was Tuesday.

Lol what? The 360 ran 95% of games better than the PS3.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

why. So many people vote that. WHY
Is it the hardware? the games? what? because it got it all.
how can you say ps5 when xbox series exists lol and it got even less games and so on

Can't play cod4 multiplayer on PS5.

 

[ungalo]

For the SNES, I feel like there are very little good games (although the good ones are great) and most of the good ones are just RPGs

wtf

i can't answer the thread, i don't condone this type of shit

 

[rofif]

PS4

Embarrassing man

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Embarrassing man

It competed with the worst nintendo console of all time, and the xbox one. Boring over the shoulder exclusives copy pasted over and over (I liked spider-man). 2011 laptop CPU powering it. Loud ass fans because of cheap thermal pads. Looked cool and had a solid controller though.