NFL 2011 Conference Championship |OT| Mission Impossible? It Takes a Cruz!

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TheNatural

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From an outsider's point of view, I thought it was a good call. Those things occasionally go back and forth, which is frustrating. Sorry it went against you though; it's a pretty terrible feeling.

But you see my point, how can you call forward progress being stopped when there are dozens and dozens of fumbles every year where someone falling backwards loses the ball. By that standard the only way to ever cause a fumble is to knock the ball out directly with the guy moving forward in momentum.

Forward progress is a rule to stop the play when 3-4 guys have the guy stood up to prevent injury. Not a haphazard way to blow the play dead because a guy is falling backwards. It's just bullshit, that's all, but this is the NFL of course. They make up the rules as they go along.
 

charsace

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Peyton is infinitely more valuable to his team than Eli is. They didn't win today's game or the last Super Bowl they played in because of him. They were lucky to win both.

You're crazy. Eli is one of the toughest QB's in the league. Everyone forgets how many hits Eli took early in his career and all the shit he's been through. Before the superbowl win he was the most criticized player in the league. Peyton is more valuable. To say that Eli is easy to replace is crazy. He's been clutch since he's taken over the QB position.
 

Vire

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But you see my point, how can you call forward progress being stopped when there are dozens and dozens of fumbles every year where someone falling backwards loses the ball. By that standard the only way to ever cause a fumble is to knock the ball out directly with the guy moving forward in momentum.

Forward progress is a rule to stop the play when 3-4 guys have the guy stood up to prevent injury. Not a haphazard way to blow the play dead because a guy is falling backwards. It's just bullshit, that's all, but this is the NFL of course. They make up the rules as they go along.

You act as if 49'ers didn't have their chances. They blew it at least 20 times.

Jesus, get over it. It's their own damn fault they lost.
 
RE: Peyton vs. Eli

Remember that Peyton's played much of his career in a dominant AFC with far better teams than the NFC. Look at this year: 2 out of the 3 teams the Giants played might not have even made the playoffs in the AFC (Falcons and Niners). Niners probably would've got in at like 10-6 but no way ATL makes it.

Peyton had to play through an era with powerhouses like New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Diego, and so on. There is no debate. That's not even including the stats differences.
 

Big-E

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I really need to know if the Giants will bring Tyree to the Super Bowl. It is going to take a lot of praying to get rid of his foul taint if he is present for this contest.
 
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I'm just pointing out that its weird to praise Eli for this game.
I think he gets some of the praise for making some of the throws he did under extreme pressure. Taking monster hits from a very good defensive front that was after him all game long. He made a few questionable throws that might have been picked off but your defense didn't make the plays. It is what it is.

It certainly wasn't his best game but as noted, the Niners defense did a good job of making the Giants one dimensional and contested every throw. He made the plays he had to (the 3rd and 15 to Manningham was HUGE!) Special teams decided the game.
 
RE: Peyton vs. Eli

Remember that Peyton's played much of his career in a dominant AFC with far better teams than the NFC. Look at this year: 2 out of the 3 teams the Giants played might not have even made the playoffs in the AFC (Falcons and Niners). Niners probably would've got in at like 10-6 but no way ATL makes it.

Peyton had to play through an era with powerhouses like New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Diego, and so on. There is no debate. That's not even including the stats differences.
:lol @ the Niners being worse than any team in the AFC.

Maybe the pre-Schaub injury Texans and the pre-Ben injury Steelers.
 
RE: Peyton vs. Eli

Remember that Peyton's played much of his career in a dominant AFC with far better teams than the NFC. Look at this year: 2 out of the 3 teams the Giants played might not have even made the playoffs in the AFC (Falcons and Niners). Niners probably would've got in at like 10-6 but no way ATL makes it.

Peyton had to play through an era with powerhouses like New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Diego, and so on. There is no debate. That's not even including the stats differences.

Cmon dude, try harder
 

dschalter

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Peyton is infinitely more valuable to his team than Eli is. They didn't win today's game or the last Super Bowl they played in because of him. They were lucky to win both.

this is true, but eli has been by far the giants best player this year and they wouldn't be close to the playoffs without him.

today he wasn't anything special.
 

see5harp

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Just walked our dog around the block. 5:00 a.m. now over here.

I'm pretty depressed right now. We were so close...

Oh, and regarding Kyle Williams: Cut him some slack. He's still very young and inexperienced.

There's no need to be bitter about this loss.
This has been a very successful season for the 49ers.
It's sad that it's over now, but we'll be back. Soon.

It shouldn't have come down to Kyle but he looked lost on special teams. The play calling in the 4th quarter was terrible. Alex Smith was not good at throwing the ball at all. When he scrambled outside to throw it was almost an automatic incompletion or sack. People will remember Kyle though. He was part of 3 complete disasters.
 
FYI I called the Niners win over the Saints several times last week as well but had made an avatar bet with FMT after trolling him about the Niners chances so was rooting for the Saints. I have no stake in the Super Bowl, don't really care for either team and am indifferent to the eventual victor, but in terms of the obvious pick it's the Pats, and again it's not because they're favored.
Yes, the pick is obvious because you have a gut feeling about it, :jnc. How can we possibly refute that flawless logic?
 

MechDX

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Hey Miguel:

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lol
 
Peyton also had the luxury in playing in a constant 70F degree stadium in perfect conditions for half of the year his entire career. Eli plays the same number of games in filled swampland that shits rain, snow and fake tanner.
 

eznark

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They had their chances but it was a stupid ass whistle that probably would have won the game.

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Tabris

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Brady: What should we do coach? Eli Manning is heading to the Superbowl and he's so dreamy.

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Bellichek: Only one thing we can do!

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Ref: I see you.

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Bellichek: Damn it!

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TheNatural

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They still made the stop. It was Kyle Williams who fucked the return, not a whistle.

Well the ball would have been on the 20 with a couple minutes left. The defense did their job, and Akers is a virtual lock from that range. yes the offense did jack shit, yes the special teams did jack shit, but the defense earned that win and earned that turnover. That's my only point.
 

JaskoX1

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You 9er fans are truly IDIOTS and IDIOTS.

Death threats to Kyle Williams? Really? Contract this fucking team and city from the United States of America already.
 
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