NFL Super Bowl XLVI |OT| Matchup More Unwanted Than Madonna's Halftime Show

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Branduil said:
So if the Colts ditch Peyton, where does he go?
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To me, this is absolutely fascinating. Bob Kravitz did an interview with Florio on PFT Live about the interview with Peyton. I think both sides are now engaged in a PR campaign. Irsay knows he has to move on, but doesn't want to be the bad guy who ran off Peyton. Peyton doesn't want to be Favre and leave b/c the organization went another way.

So Peyton is using his contract as cover, so he can say "well they didn't excercise the option." And Irsay is playing up the health thing and his commitment to Peyton last year (paid him $26 million, never put him on IR) and saying "I have no idea if he'll ever play and neither does Peyton so I can't commit 1/4 of the cap to such an unknown"

On Alex, yes, I was wrong. He's not bottom third. But top 10? c'mon
 
Milchjon said:
Wait, Giants players admitted to going after Kyle Williams because of his history of concussions? That's shameful. I know that it's probably a reality of the game, but why would you even admit that after all those discussions about head injuries? And especially as a defensive player when your job gets harder every year exactly because they try to reduce the risk of those types of injuries? SMH
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Guess you were wearing your dress when your wrote this, man the fuck up, this is a violent sport and players head hunt all the time, the 9ers knocked out 7 running backs during the season, if the Giants had a player who had concussion problems you know Belichick will target him Feb 5, it's part of the game...
 
Buckethead said:
Hahahaaaaa Tigers.

What's next Lions paying $20 mil to Haynesworth?
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Yeah I saw this while on the treadmill and nearly had to stop the thing because my mind was full of WTF.

I know zero about baseball but even I know that that much money for one player is the most ridiculous thing ever. I guess I'm missing something about how baseball works because it seems like basketball should have the highest contracts since with 5 guys on a court, one guy makes a huge difference.
 
Well, you gotta give Alex Smith some credit. Dude has had like 5 HCs and 7 OCs or some such shit in his 7 seasons. He's been told he's shit, he's been benched, he's been the subject of trade rumors, waiver rumors, etc. Tough to keep your chin up and have a level of confidence in your ability when all you get fed is shit.

So to come out under the new HC who says "Alex is my guy" and put up a competent season can almost be viewed as Alex Smith Reborn: Year 1. He played well against the Giants. Maybe could have won the game by taking some riskier throws, sure, but frankly the 9ers #1 special teams unit is what did them in.

I fully expect the 9ers to get behind Smith and sign him long term. FMT is right: there isn't anyone out there who is better, and Smith could really get better with a full offseason of work, some better receivers, etc.

Now, could he be the next Mark Sanchez and lose a couple of championship games in a row and then turn into some spineless jelly-roll? Sure. But I don't think he will.
 
the problem with listing 10 QB's better this season is that people won't be able to differentiate "this season" from "career". so if i say "was alex smith better than phillip rivers?" you will say "wtf no!" because of rivers past and alex's past. but was alex better than rivers this sesaon? yep.

doesn't matter though. alex is a good fit for our offense and i expect him to improve with a full off-season and maybe we pick up a guy like dwayne bowe or another WR. alex had weapons but come on, name me a QB that's going to put up 4k+ yards and 30+ td's with these wr's:

1. Michael Crabtree
2. Kyle Williams
3. Ted Ginn
4. Brett Swain
5. Joe Hastings

i don't want to make excuses for him because lots of QB's have to deal with lots of different things. my point is i don't have to make excuses for him. the guy went 13-3, had a grand total of 7 turnovers all year (INT's and lost fumbles combined), had a 90 QB rating and had 6 4th quarter comeback wins. give him some credit
 
User33 said:
Am I the only one who thinks Flynn just had a lucky game, and will turn out to be a mediocre QB?
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The only people who don't believe that happen to be general managers of some shitty teams. Unlimited first round draft picks going to the Packers, confirmed.
 
User33 said:
Am I the only one who thinks Flynn just had a lucky game, and will turn out to be a mediocre QB?
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Schaub and Kolb had very small sample sizes when they got traded. You have to hope your team has a competent player evaluation system. Kolb sure seems like a system guy. Schaub isn't great but was definitely worth two 2nd round picks.

I'm really not familiar with Flynn. How is his arm strength? Being, at most, 6'2" isn't a good thing
 
I mentioned TO to another Niners fan, wasn't having it. The fanbase would have looked something like this,

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
doesn't matter though. alex is a good fit for our offense and i expect him to improve with a full off-season and maybe we pick up a guy like dwayne bowe or another WR. alex had weapons but come on, name me a QB that's going to put up 4k+ yards and 30+ td's with these wr's:

1. Michael Crabtree
2. Kyle Williams
3. Ted Ginn
4. Brett Swain
5. Joe Hastings
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Hey, Brett Swain is a WORLD CHAMPION.
 
chuckddd said:
Schefter says Allen to Raiders is done.
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Just heard this as well. He did a good job this year, but he had some great talent to work with. Like I've said before I trust Elway/Fox/Xanders to get it right going forward. Interestingly, Kirby Smart was being thrown out as a replacement on 104.3 The Fan. I don't know how plausible it is, but I hope that we can build upon what Allen had going last year.

Now that he is a Raider, fuck you Allen.
 
Buckethead said:
No, all stupid people think that.

Go rewatch that game. He made some damn good throws.
System QB talk is foolish.
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every qb in the NFL can make those throws. they wouldn't be in the NFL if they didn't have some impressive throws at some point in their lives. flynn made those throws for a couple reasons:

1. he had confidence in his receivers (packers receivers are top 5 in the nfl)
2. he had confidence in the gameplan and the playcalls

is he going to be matt shaub or is he going to be kevin kolb? no one knows, but i sure as fuck wouldn't give up multiple picks or a good player and pick to find out
 
I just finished up reading that T.O. article. No matter how frequently it happens, it still is mind blowing to me that athletes are able to blow through that much money in such a short period of time.

The stuff about trying to figure out why he wasn't on an NFL team this year is ridiculous though. The guy had ACL surgery three months before the season started. It's an injury that takes young guys in their prime a full year to recover from and arguably two years to get back to 100%. He's 38, which is ancient for wide receivers. The idea of no one wanting him because he's been a piece of shit his whole career is certainly a valid point, but the age and injury concerns have got to be considered more significant than any of that.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
every qb in the NFL can make those throws. they wouldn't be in the NFL if they didn't have some impressive throws at some point in their lives. flynn made those throws for a couple reasons:

1. he had confidence in his receivers (packers receivers are top 5 in the nfl)
2. he had confidence in the gameplan and the playcalls

is he going to be matt shaub or is he going to be kevin kolb? no one knows, but i sure as fuck wouldn't give up multiple picks or a good player and pick to find out
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I agree from the standpoint of not risking it, but there's always a sucker team that really needs a guy to gain interest or hoping to up their chances.
 
even tebow has thrown some nice deep passes. if you guys are saying there are qb's in the league that physically cannot make the throws that flynn can make you're being ridiculous. now does every QB try to fit every pass into tight spots like erron or phillip rivers or whoever? of course not. there is more to a passing game then just "oh this guy has a great arm and can make this throw". its about being comfortable and having confidence.

kyle boller throw a spiral from the 50 yard line throw the uprights on his knees
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
even tebow has thrown some nice deep passes. if you guys are saying there are qb's in the league that physically cannot make the throws that flynn can make you're being ridiculous. now does every QB try to fit every pass into tight spots like erron or phillip rivers or whoever? of course not. there is more to a passing game then just "oh this guy has a great arm and can make this throw". its about being comfortable and having confidence.

kyle boller throw a spiral from the 50 yard line throw the uprights on his knees
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We have similar QBs, and I would agree with you. Tebow has a decent short and long game. His mid range stuff is questionable. Towards the end of the season the wounded duck was becoming increasingly more rare. He is improving, despite what ESPN blowhards will tell you.

I haven't watched Alex enough to know what his best areas/throws are, but from what I have seen is that he does make NFL throws with overthrows or dirtballs peppered in from time to time. Even though some say dump him at this point, or he has had 7 years and we know what he is about, I still think you stick with him and let him develop in Harbaugh's system and see what he can do going forward. Outside of Peyton who else do you get? Hell the guy did his job, up to the point of nearly earning a SB trip. I think you have to stick with him.
 
Godslay said:
We have similar QBs, and I would agree with you. Tebow has a decent short and long game. His mid range stuff is questionable. Towards the end of the season the wounded duck was becoming increasingly more rare. He is improving, despite what ESPN blowhards will tell you.

I haven't watched Alex enough to know what his best areas/throws are, but from what I have seen is that he does make NFL throws with overthrows or dirtballs peppered in from time to time. Even though some say dump him at this point, or he has had 7 years and we know what he is about, I still think you stick with him and let him develop in Harbaugh's system and see what he can do going forward. Outside of Peyton who else do you get? Hell the guy did his job, up to the point of nearly earning a SB trip. I think you have to stick with him.
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it's funny you say that because alex had a very tebow-ish first half against the giants. 2/7, 78 yards 1 TD. then he had 5 rushes for 40 yards. we ran the read option 4 or 5 times early and it worked. i think tebow has a lot of potential. dude is a physical beast and with some patience and some talent at WR he will be in good shape.

as for alex, it's not that he can't make throws, it's that he won't. sometimes he is just too scared of making a mistake. i think a lot of this has to do with his past but moreso i think it's his familiarity with the system and where his WR's are supposed to be. alex smith absolutely deserves another year with a full offseason and some playmakers on the outside
 
I H8 Memes said:
So damn glad neither of the Hairball coached teams made it to the Super Bowl. The type of childishness that their teams exude would be a stain on this great sport.

Harbaugh gets in touch with his inner child
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FrenchMovieTheme said:
it's funny you say that because alex had a very tebow-ish first half against the giants. 2/7, 78 yards 1 TD. then he had 5 rushes for 40 yards. we ran the read option 4 or 5 times early and it worked. i think tebow has a lot of potential. dude is a physical beast and with some patience and some talent at WR he will be in good shape.

as for alex, it's not that he can't make throws, it's that he won't. sometimes he is just too scared of making a mistake. i think a lot of this has to do with his past but moreso i think it's his familiarity with the system and where his WR's are supposed to be. alex smith absolutely deserves another year with a full offseason and some playmakers on the outside
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I like that you are man enough to discuss this stuff. At least someone with the 49ers is.

I agree with you on Smith. He's got arm strength. He's fairly inaccurate and kind of sucks at timing routes (Tebow!) but he can get every throw into the general vicinity of guys.

I think he should be given a long term deal.
 
Damn Gil Brandt says Tannehill could be a top 10 pick. Not so much his evaluation but from league people. That would be insane if he went that high. But I could totally see the Redskins do that instead of trading up for RG3. He's supposedly perfect for that system, but has to sit for year.
 
squicken said:
Damn Gil Brandt says Tannehill could be a top 10 pick. Not so much his evaluation but from league people. That would be insane if he went that high. But I could totally see the Redskins do that instead of trading up for RG3. He's supposedly perfect for that system, but has to sit for year.
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I listened to Gil Brandt do a draft on the radio a few years ago. He's awesome. I'm pretty sure he is senile and mostly insane, but hilarious as shit.

So much for that whole "Raiders never hire DC's"
 
eznark said:
I like that you are man enough to discuss this stuff. At least someone with the 49ers is.

I agree with you on Smith. He's got arm strength. He's fairly inaccurate and kind of sucks at timing routes (Tebow!) but he can get every throw into the general vicinity of guys.

I think he should be given a long term deal.
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He'll likely get a 3-6 year deal that will average out to somewhere between $8-12m a season. What won't be obvious is I'm betting the Niners put in a load of clauses that allow them multiple outs after the first year or two, something our GM Baalke is very fond of.

I'm really hopeful we draft a WR in the first round (Jeffrey?) because we need it. Crabs just isn't cutting it. He has spurts of great play, but his release and separation skills are inconsistent. He's an awesome number 2, and an ok number 1. Losing Morgan for the year turned out to be more harmful than originally thought.

Smith needs another playmaker, and if he gets that and improves in the system next year roughly the same amount he did this year, he might crack Top 10. Might. Worth taking a shot IMO.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
as for alex, it's not that he can't make throws, it's that he won't. sometimes he is just too scared of making a mistake. i think a lot of this has to do with his past but moreso i think it's his familiarity with the system and where his WR's are supposed to be. alex smith absolutely deserves another year with a full offseason and some playmakers on the outside
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I really think a lot of this is coaching. The thing people bring up about Eli is that if he makes a mistake he is absolutely fearless in his ability to keep throwing to tight windows. I think defensive coordinators are the worst types of coaches to nurture young QBs. To them, all they preach is "don't throw INTs". But that not productive. You want your QB to make throws. If all you teach him is to be super scared of turning it over, how is he supposed to operate when he has to throw to win?

A big part of what screwed up David Carr was Capers doing this. Made him constantly second guess himself and hesitant to throw. Carr never was a TO machine, but then he never learned to play QB
 
LevelNth said:
He'll likely get a 3-6 year deal that will average out to somewhere between $8-12m a season. What won't be obvious is I'm betting the Niners put in a load of clauses that allow them multiple outs after the first year or two, something our GM Baalke is very fond of.

I'm really hopeful we draft a WR in the first round (Jeffrey?) because we need it. Crabs just isn't cutting it. He has spurts of great play, but his release and separation skills are inconsistent. He's an awesome number 2, and an ok number 1. Losing Morgan for the year turned out to be more harmful than originally thought.

Smith needs another playmaker, and if he gets that and improves in the system next year roughly the same amount he did this year, he might crack Top 10. Might. Worth taking a shot IMO.
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i don't want to draft that fat body jeffrey. someone post the picture of that potbelly.

crabtree is a decent #2, a bad #1. alex needs WR's he can trust. he doesn't trust crabtree and i don't blame him. crabtree sometimes runs lazy routes and has suspect hands. the only guy alex trusts is vernon davis and you see what happens when he gets VD one on one with people. but you can take vernon away when there's no one else to pick up the slack.
 
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