NFL Super Bowl XLVI |OT| Matchup More Unwanted Than Madonna's Halftime Show

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I'll do the honors.

It'll be a topic on gaming side disguised as breaking news for a new Zelda game, but when you enter the topic it'll just be a big picture of Freeman.
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Any other Bucs fans ready to just give up on this team? I grew up in New Orleans but was never a Saints fan. After getting out of the shit hole I lived in when I was in NO in 1989 Florida felt like paradise. Really it was a new beginning for my life. So I was like fuck it, I guess the Bucs will be my team. I finally attached myself to a team. I've rode out a lot of shitty football following this team. Never bothered me at all. But I dont know if I can do this.

It's obvious that this team is just a pile of shit ever since the Glazer sons took over. They dont have the football IQ to be making these decisions. Their coaching hires are dumb as fuck. They wont spend money on free agents. And the worst part is that they are young enough that they are going to be in charge for the next 30 to 40 years.
 
I H8 Memes said:
Any other Bucs fans ready to just give up on this team? I grew up in New Orleans but was never a Saints fan. After getting out of the shit hole I lived in when I was in NO in 1989 Florida felt like paradise. Really it was a new beginning for my life. So I was like fuck it, I guess the Bucs will be my team. I finally attached myself to a team. I've rode out a lot of shitty football following this team. Never bothered me at all. But I dont know if I can do this.

It's obvious that this team is just a pile of shit ever since the Glazer sons took over. They dont have the football IQ to be making these decisions. Their coaching hires are dumb as fuck. They wont spend money on free agents. And the worst part is that they are young enough that they are going to be in charge for the next 30 to 40 years.
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Why are you using my old avatar?
 
I H8 Memes said:
Any other Bucs fans ready to just give up on this team? I grew up in New Orleans but was never a Saints fan. After getting out of the shit hole I lived in when I was in NO in 1989 Florida felt like paradise. Really it was a new beginning for my life. So I was like fuck it, I guess the Bucs will be my team. I finally attached myself to a team. I've rode out a lot of shitty football following this team. Never bothered me at all. But I dont know if I can do this.

It's obvious that this team is just a pile of shit ever since the Glazer sons took over. They dont have the football IQ to be making these decisions. Their coaching hires are dumb as fuck. They wont spend money on free agents. And the worst part is that they are young enough that they are going to be in charge for the next 30 to 40 years.
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I have no choice.
I'm a Bucs fan forever, no matter how hard it gets.
It's either that or stop watching football completely.
Changing teams would be like becoming a Sony fanboy.
 
I H8 Memes said:
Any other Bucs fans ready to just give up on this team? I grew up in New Orleans but was never a Saints fan. After getting out of the shit hole I lived in when I was in NO in 1989 Florida felt like paradise. Really it was a new beginning for my life. So I was like fuck it, I guess the Bucs will be my team. I finally attached myself to a team. I've rode out a lot of shitty football following this team. Never bothered me at all. But I dont know if I can do this.

It's obvious that this team is just a pile of shit ever since the Glazer sons took over. They dont have the football IQ to be making these decisions. Their coaching hires are dumb as fuck. They wont spend money on free agents. And the worst part is that they are young enough that they are going to be in charge for the next 30 to 40 years.
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Are you about to squicken it ?
 
Looks like the Rutgers OC is going with Schiano.

Disregard the statistics, the guy is pretty good.

He did a lot to improve the offense from one of the worst in 2010 to mediocre in 2011. I know that doesn't sound like much, but if you watched us in 2010, you would realize that he did a good job.
 
I H8 Memes said:
Any other Bucs fans ready to just give up on this team? I grew up in New Orleans but was never a Saints fan. After getting out of the shit hole I lived in when I was in NO in 1989 Florida felt like paradise. Really it was a new beginning for my life. So I was like fuck it, I guess the Bucs will be my team. I finally attached myself to a team. I've rode out a lot of shitty football following this team. Never bothered me at all. But I dont know if I can do this.

It's obvious that this team is just a pile of shit ever since the Glazer sons took over. They dont have the football IQ to be making these decisions. Their coaching hires are dumb as fuck. They wont spend money on free agents. And the worst part is that they are young enough that they are going to be in charge for the next 30 to 40 years.
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Look on the bright side either the owners sell the team or they will have to spend next year.
 
I H8 Memes said:
Any other Bucs fans ready to just give up on this team? I grew up in New Orleans but was never a Saints fan. After getting out of the shit hole I lived in when I was in NO in 1989 Florida felt like paradise. Really it was a new beginning for my life. So I was like fuck it, I guess the Bucs will be my team. I finally attached myself to a team. I've rode out a lot of shitty football following this team. Never bothered me at all. But I dont know if I can do this.

It's obvious that this team is just a pile of shit ever since the Glazer sons took over. They dont have the football IQ to be making these decisions. Their coaching hires are dumb as fuck. They wont spend money on free agents. And the worst part is that they are young enough that they are going to be in charge for the next 30 to 40 years.
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I know it's not football but the Milwaukee Brewers have never won a title and the Bucks haven't won one since before the Godfather was released in theaters.

And holy hell, have you seen the mess that is Minnesota sports?
 
I H8 Memes said:
Any other Bucs fans ready to just give up on this team? I grew up in New Orleans but was never a Saints fan. After getting out of the shit hole I lived in when I was in NO in 1989 Florida felt like paradise. Really it was a new beginning for my life. So I was like fuck it, I guess the Bucs will be my team. I finally attached myself to a team. I've rode out a lot of shitty football following this team. Never bothered me at all. But I dont know if I can do this.

It's obvious that this team is just a pile of shit ever since the Glazer sons took over. They dont have the football IQ to be making these decisions. Their coaching hires are dumb as fuck. They wont spend money on free agents. And the worst part is that they are young enough that they are going to be in charge for the next 30 to 40 years.
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Give up? Hell no.
Fan for life.

I'll just skip luxury boxes and merchandise.

ps The Jags hired Olson. Nothing can be funnier than that.
 
I H8 Memes said:
Any other Bucs fans ready to just give up on this team? I grew up in New Orleans but was never a Saints fan. After getting out of the shit hole I lived in when I was in NO in 1989 Florida felt like paradise. Really it was a new beginning for my life. So I was like fuck it, I guess the Bucs will be my team. I finally attached myself to a team. I've rode out a lot of shitty football following this team. Never bothered me at all. But I dont know if I can do this.

It's obvious that this team is just a pile of shit ever since the Glazer sons took over. They dont have the football IQ to be making these decisions. Their coaching hires are dumb as fuck. They wont spend money on free agents. And the worst part is that they are young enough that they are going to be in charge for the next 30 to 40 years.
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So you are saying that having a shitty young owner is bringing you down and making you question the point of your fanhood?

I understand the feeling brother.

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Sirpopopop said:
Looks like the Rutgers OC is going with Schiano.

Disregard the statistics, the guy is pretty good.

He did a lot to improve the offense from one of the worst in 2010 to mediocre in 2011. I know that doesn't sound like much, but if you watched us in 2010, you would realize that he did a good job.
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Just curious, where have you seen that? I have yet to read anything about Cignetti one way or the other.
 
Mindlog said:
Give up? Hell no.
Fan for life.

I'll just skip luxury boxes and merchandise.

ps The Jags hired Olson. Nothing can be funnier than that.
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True that. The shape of football in Florida is the worst I've ever seen it. All 3 NFL teams in FL are starting over with new coaches. UF is in the midst of a transition period, FSU can't put it together, and the Hurricanes decided to neuter their program for the next decade for booster cash. Some organization has to step up and get it together sooner or later, there is too much passion for football in Florida for them not to. I wonder who it will be?
 
Bowser said:
Chud is bout to make sure we beat the Bucs 96-10 to show them what they missed out on



Dodged a bullet there
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I know I'm behind on this, but the rap on Chud, from multiple teams, was that he just doesn't interview well. Lacks "presence" as they say. Really smart. Great tape. Just questions whether he can be a "leader of men"

That same criticism is why Gary Kubiak interviewed 10 times but took forever to get hired as a HC. Chud supposedly very similar to him
 
Stolen from TGG:

It has been a somewhat long and grueling six years watching Brian Schottenheimer run the Jets offense. Sure there were a lot of bright spots but more often there was just this confusion that kept creeping into the offense that no one could really put their finger on. We all saw it – was it bad play-calling, bad design, bad quarterbacks, a genetic predisposition to run the "Marty Ball" offense? Anyhow, I was happy when the Jets ended the Schotty era. And I was hopeful that the Bill Callahan era would begin. Then I was ultimately shocked that the team hired Tony Sparano as the next offensive coordinator. But now I am beginning to see the wisdom of the move. I lay out my case for this opinion after the jump.

There are basically three major offensive systems run in the NFL. They are Bill Walsh’s west coast offense, the Ron Erhardt-Ray Perkins offense and the Don Coryell-styled offenses. Schottenheimer was brought here by Eric Mangini to install a Coryell-styled offense like Cam Cameron ran in San Diego. Unfortunately, it’s a tough system to run and there are fewer and fewer people in the league who understand its nuances anymore (among those left are Norv Turner, his brother Ron Turner, Al Saunders, and Tom Moore). To perk up the rushing offense, Mangini then brought in Callahan to install a west coast zone-blocking run scheme. Ultimately, they created a mutant offense for players to learn and for Schotty to coach. When Rex Ryan arrived, he preached the ground and pound mentality and asked Schotty to run it through his mutant offensive system. When it worked it looked great, but as I said before, there always seemed to be a bit of confusion creeping into the offense. And in retrospect, the confusion was likely caused by a cobbled together mutant offensive system. Ryan it appears tried to save the mutant offense by bringing in Moore as a consultant. Moore after all was a pretty successful practitioner of a Coryell-styled offense all those years in Indianapolis. All in all, it seems Moore had a positive effect but even he couldn't save the mutant that Mangini tried to cobble together.

In moving on from Schotty, Rex cast out the Coryell-styled offense. In letting Callahan walk, Rex passed up the chance to install a true west coast system too. I’ll give Rex some credit here; he saw a west coast offense operated in Baltimore all those years with Brian Billick and Matt Cavanaugh and it might have been easy for him to gravitate to what he had been around before, especially with Cavanaugh and Callahan already on staff. The west coast offense in all its different forms is by far the most popular offensive system around the NFL these days. Finding coaches to work with would have been easy. But perhaps Rex just had a bad taste in his mouth from his days in Baltimore.

Enter Tony Sparano with the Erhardt-Perkins playbook that he received from Bill Parcells while in Dallas. For many reasons, it is clear why Rex and Mike Tannenbaum went in this direction. For Rex, a well run Erhardt-Perkins offense is all about ground and pound, ball control and clock management just like he wanted all along. For Tanny, it’s a chance to dip into the vast Parcells-Belicheck-Coughlin pool of coaches and players. Also, for Tanny, it is a chance to get back in the group of people he got his come-uppings with. After six long years of dealing with a mutant hybrid offensive system nobody fully understood, the team is moving forward with a system that is well known, easily understood by players and well coached throughout the league. Many players and coaches already have the basics of the system from their previous experiences around the NFL.

We now have the same playbook Parcells brought with him where ever he went, be it the Giants, New England, the Jets or Dallas. It’s the playbook that Parcells and his OC Erhardt used with the Giants in 1986 and 1990 Superbowls and with his OC Perkins and the Patriots in the Superbowl loss in 1996. It’s the playbook that Erhardt took with him to Bill Cowher’s Steelers in the 90s; they made but lost the Superbowl in 1995. It is the playbook that Bill Belicheck and Charlie Weiss ran up to New England and won those Superbowls with in 2001, ‘03 and ‘04. It’s the foundation of the playbook that Belicheck will bring with him to the Superbowl this year. It’s a good bet that Tom Coughlin took it down to Jacksonville when he coached there. Of course, Coughlin hired Kevin Gilbride as his OC in Jacksonville and Gilbride has made many changes with the most recent version of their playbook going with Coughlin, Gilbride and the Giants to the Superbowl this year. Two variations of the playbook also met up in the Giants-New England Superbowl a few years back. It is the same playbook that Parcells and Weiss worked with when they were with the Jets in the 90s (to date my favorite Jets offense). After Mangini wised-up, it’s the playbook that Mangini and Brian Daboll tried to install when he went over to Cleveland from the Jets; at least they beat the Patriots once (after the loss, Belicheck called the Cleveland offense a sort-of-west-coast-thing. That was likely a jab-joke for his former assistants as they were apparently running Belicheck's own offense against him, instead of the west coast thing they had with the Jets). It also happens to be a relative of the playbook Rich Kotite and Erhardt ran when the Jets went 1-15 in 1996, but let’s move past that quickly. It is purportedly the foundation for whatever Sean Payton and Drew Brees are doing in New Orleans. It's what they are working with in Kansas City too; just look at the coaching staff there and all you see is Parcells disciples and Jets players from the 90s.

As easy as it is to see the hiring of Tony Sparano as the hiring of a Miami cast off, you have to look past Miami to see the full scope of the hire. Sparano was offensive coordinator at Boston University when Chris Palmer was the head coach. Palmer also gave Sparano his first NFL gig in Cleveland. Palmer’s resume is littered with stops where ever Parcells or Coughlin went. Just the same, Sparano worked for Coughlin in Jacksonville and Parcells in Dallas. When Parcells was hired to run Miami, he brought Sparano over to be the headcoach. Just the same, Sparano went on to bring in Parcells, Belicheck and Coughlin guys because they know the Erhardt-Perkins system. Sparano hired Dan Henning as his first OC. Henning after all was the Jets QB coach in 1998-99 and the OC in 2000 when Parcells was in charge. In 2011, Sparano hired Daboll as his OC. Daboll was an offensive assistant coach in New England and then ran the system as Mangini’s OC in Cleveland. Dave DeGuglielmo was the offensive line coach for Coughlin when Coughlin was head coach at Boston College. DeGuglielmo also spent time with Coughlin and the Giants.

Even Matt Cavanugh is connected. Even though Cavanaugh ultimately picked up the west coast system as his system, he was a backup QB under Erhardt in New England from 1978-82 and again with Parcells, Erhardt and the Giants in 1990. Perhaps his fate is yet undetermined because he knows the old system. Or perhaps it is because Cavanaugh also played for Buddy Ryan in Philly, then he and Rex were assistant coaches together under Buddy in Arizona, and then coordinators together in Baltimore and now coaches on the Jets. After all, it is just an inbred world of NFL coaches.

Perhaps Tony Sparano will be a great offensive coordinator. Perhaps he will not. But the most important aspect of this hire is that Rex has chosen an offensive system to be his own. He undoubtedly likes the history and the bloodlines of the Erhardt-Perkins system. He claims to like the “verbiage.” He has said he wants to get in the offensive classrooms and learn the offense. So even if Sparano doesn’t work out long term, we now have an offensive system that exists outside of just poor ole Schotty’s head. Once installed properly, we can swap in-and-out Erhardt-Perkins offensive coaches just as has been done so many times before by Parcells, Belicheck, Coughlin and even Sparano himself.
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http://www.ganggreennation.com/2012...-world-of-nfl-coaches-and-our-new-old-offense

Erhardt-Perkins Offense: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/fat-camp-the-erhardt-perkins-offense-part-1
 
Weird to see Ray Perkins mentioned. I always remember him as the poor bastard that tried to follow Bear at Alabama.
 
So really that post enumerates the problem with Schotty - he was brought install a system, but was given a zone blocking West-Coast offense.

That falls on one man: Tannenbaum. I really like what he did after the disaster that was the 2007 season, but he can't keep leaving it at that. There's a lack of talent on the Jets roster, and his wheeling and dealing ways has finally bit us in the ass. The 8-8 performance this year is symptomatic of mediocre drafts in 08, 09, 10 and 11.

The Jets are really going to need to hit it out of the park in this year's draft in order to remain in contention. I'm not optimistic. Luckily we have Ryan who, at the very least, is able to get the most out of a team on the defensive side that clearly lacks 1)team speed and 2)pass-rushers. The linemen are pretty much JAGS, the linebacking corps is even worse, and the safeties are probably bottom 3 in the league. Luckily the cornerbacks are pretty good- and Ryan knows how to play to the strength of his team on defense.

On offense we've got a bunch of lineman that are not suited to run the power scheme required. I foresee Matt Slauson getting torn up, and Moore struggling to run the man blocking scheme that we're going to need to run. I'll reserve judgment for whoever is at RT; but that will probably be an FA signing who fits the scheme so I'm not too worried. Slauson, though, will be next year's Wayne Hunter, I guarantee it.

Jets would be retarded to get rid of their 4th best player, Holmes. I want Keller moved out, he's not a blocking TE and wouldn't fit the scheme. Plax I'm apathetic about. Kerely is good, Jets need to draft another WR to "grow" with Sanchez.

Sanchez gets two more years, then his ass gets shipped out of town.

Tannenbaum gets probably two more years too, if there's a clear lack of talent of this team then, he's probably out too.
 
talisayNon said:
So really that post enumerates the problem with Schotty - he was brought install a system, but was given a zone blocking West-Coast offense.

That falls on one man: Tannenbaum. I really like what he did after the disaster that was the 2007 season, but he can't keep leaving it at that. There's a lack of talent on the Jets roster, and his wheeling and dealing ways has finally bit us in the ass. The 8-8 performance this year is symptomatic of mediocre drafts in 08, 09, 10 and 11.

The Jets are really going to need to hit it out of the park in this year's draft in order to remain in contention. I'm not optimistic. Luckily we have Ryan who, at the very least, is able to get the most out of a team on the defensive side that clearly lacks 1)team speed and 2)pass-rushers. The linemen are pretty much JAGS, the linebacking corps is even worse, and the safeties are probably bottom 3 in the league. Luckily the cornerbacks are pretty good- and Ryan knows how to play to the strength of his team on defense.

On offense we've got a bunch of lineman that are not suited to run the power scheme required. I foresee Matt Slauson getting torn up, and Moore struggling to run the man blocking scheme that we're going to need to run. I'll reserve judgment for whoever is at RT; but that will probably be an FA signing who fits the scheme so I'm not too worried. Slauson, though, will be next year's Wayne Hunter, I guarantee it.

Jets would be retarded to get rid of their 4th best player, Holmes. I want Keller moved out, he's not a blocking TE and wouldn't fit the scheme. Plax I'm apathetic about. Kerely is good, Jets need to draft another WR to "grow" with Sanchez.

Sanchez gets two more years, then his ass gets shipped out of town.

Tannenbaum gets probably two more years too, if there's a clear lack of talent of this team then, he's probably out too.
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I kind of thought Rex taking a shot a Schottenheimer the other day was pretty dumb. It makes Rex look like he's scapegoating someone. And as Schotty himself said, if Rex had a problem with the verbiage all these years, why wouldn't he have said something while Schotty was still there?

When you miss on a QB, everyone goes down. If Sanchez doesn't ever develop, that will cost Rex and Tannenbaum too.
 
Why would a run blocking scheme have such a drastic effect on the passing game? Inability to play series football? ie run a series of plays that look exactly the same formation wise but attack in a variety of ways

Also, when the Jets were really killing it on the ground their staple play was power behind Moore and Woody w/ Faneca pulling. Yeah they ran zone but every team in the league runs zone in some form.

Wish he gave examples of the run game impacting passing calls.

Edit: I can understand one back vs two back offense, but both offenses can be and often are a two back offense.
 
Milchjon said:
Another Day, Another Try:
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at the highest, most general level:

kickoff team -

everyone has "lane" assignments going straight down the field.
"gunners/kills" - are closest to the kicker and go straight after the man and wedge.
two outermost guys - have "outside containment" basically trying to prevent a return from breaking to the sideline
kicker - last chance to make a tackle

kickoff return team -
return man/men - looking to break out to the sideline
two guys in front of return man can setup a "wedge" - basically a human wall and the lead blockers for the
everyone else - disrupt the kicking team's lane assignments so the return man can find a crease and break a long run

punts are pretty much the same.

punt team -

gunners are usually the outermosts guy and the long snapper
guys closest to punter = "personal protector" of the punter
generally you block the guys starting from inside out, as they have a more direct line to the punter
punter needs to give his team a chance to tackle the returner, so it's imperative he gets maximum hangtime on punts. "very returnable kick" refers to when a punt barely gets up in teh air
out kicking your coverage - kicking it too deep and sometimes not enough hangtime. gives the returner a chance to scan the field after catching the ball and to make a more calculated move on the gunners

punt return team -

basically if you can make the gunners miss, you have a chance to break a nice return.
long returns are setup by the return team through setting up a wall of people along the sideline

theres more to special teams but maybe other people can elaborate
 
I never read the comments section to pretty much anything on the internet, but all the Peyton Manning stuff fascinates me. I think this is the first time in their entire lives that most Colts fans have had to think about whether they are primarily Peyton fans or Colts fans.

edit: dp sorry folks
 
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