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Can someone direct me to a guide or video on what this game is like and how to play? I'm a grade A noob with an invite
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Heavy's Sandvich
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That guide really isn't aimed for beginners when they have no idea about what does which etc.
One of the first things it mentions is animation cancelling. Brilliant.
One of the first things it mentions is animation cancelling. Brilliant.
People on gaf should help write a newcomer friendly, non-hostile introduction guide. None of that immensely pathetic "welcome to dota you suck" mentality. No fucking shit you suck at a game you've never played before.
"Welcome to Street Fighter 5, you know none of these combos you god damn dipshit sell the game"
Because the guide doesnt order itself by difficulty, just by broad things like attacking, laning, hero roles.
Heavy's Sandvich
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It's a poor guide that can be written to actually cater to people that have no idea about Moba games.
slidewinder
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Takes the guy 5+ minutes to say "one tango will not be enough regen; buy a salve too!"
Its completely tongue in cheek. The guide even warns you about how people react to noobs in pub MM. Also sucking in dota is probably one of the worst games to suck at, so I dont think your 1v1 SF comparison is at all similar.
thetrin
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I have to confess, stuff like this is only making it harder for me to get into the game. I just need a video that teaches me the rules, gives me a few starter tactics, and lets me loose. That's why I wish the tutorials had been implemented.
I'm having such a hard time understanding this game because every guide I'm finding seems to take forever to get to the point.
I had no idea about mobas when i first read it and I understood most of the information. I wasnt gonna implement it but I understood it.
There is a reason the guides are in depth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWK2U7_MxTQ
Try this. Problem is there isnt a really quick to tell you about everything you need to know in Dota. So there is no lets get to the point cause there are many points.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I think you are the exception that proves the rule.
thetrin
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Depth is fine. But I literally know nothing about the game, and all this info is incredibly intimidating.
Honestly, I don't think I'm going to learn anything without a tutorial. I'm so lost 2 minutes into every video I'm watching.
The rule being?
Did you check out the video I posted? Its as simple as it gets.
thetrin
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Yeah, sorry I didn't quote you. I am checking it out right now.
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The rule being most new people to moba games have no idea about many of the conventions. The easiest example being last hitting.
A guide aimed at noobs first tries to explain animation cancelling rather than talk about fog of war, turrets and last hitting; three things infinitely more useful to cancelling your animation from 1.4 seconds to 1.1.
Procarbine
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Hey meteorain, nice 100 cs in a 50 minute game. You're garbage kid get good.
thetrin
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Sounds akin to a guide for SFIV, and teaching about FADC and super armor before explaining specials, supers, ultras, and basic blocking.
HK, thanks a lot for that video. That was actually really helpful. I knew some of the basics around the game, but don't know basic stuff like what items to start with, etc etc.
What type of character should a new player try? Ganker?
Support
Who needs to farm creeps when you can farm heroes?
thetrin
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Is there a page that lists what all the character types mean? I saw no glossary in DOTA 2 itself.
Learn tab?
As tutorials go, this goes over the very basics fairly well:
http://www.joindota.com/en/vods/416-dota-2-tutorial-basic-overview
http://www.joindota.com/en/vods/416-dota-2-tutorial-basic-overview
Their pretty self explanatory, a Support, Supports the team, Carry, Carries the team through damage, Initiation, Initiates fights, and Ganker, Ganks heroes.
It may go over your head at some points, but it's informative. Everyone new please watch this.
thetrin
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Ah, thanks. I'll check that out when I have a chance.
For the new guys check out purge's youtube videos specifically the ones called casts a pub and the hero commentaries. He goes over tactics and stuff that you wouldn't know right away.
Navi is on the Premier League. Why would Tobi cast it?
Oh. I just assumed since those games were listed on the right-hand bar, that they were all a part of Tobi's casting.
Tried to join my first game. Made it to the character selection, but it wouldn't let me choose anything. I clicked on Crystal Maiden and clicked "Choose Character" but nothing happened. Tried "Random" and nothing happened. Game started and I was still in the character screen and couldn't get out. Everyone else in-game had a character and were starting the match. Had to leave. 
Really have no clue whatsoever on what I'm doing.
Really have no clue whatsoever on what I'm doing.
Weird lineup there from Middle School. I think the Grizzled Ancients got this. Sad I missed the start, their website said it started at 2PM PST
Here is my tips on what to get at the start:
To the point version:
List of thing to get a start:
Healing:
Clarity (50): 100 Mana over 30 seconds. Stop healing if hurt.
Tango (90): 3 charge healing item, eat a tree and heal 115 HP over 16 seconds.
Healing Salve (100): 400 HP over 10 Seconds. Stop healing if hurt.
Stats:
Iron Branches (53): +1 to all stats [19 HP, 13 Mana]
Gauntlets of Strength (150): +3 Strength [47 HP]
Slippers of Agility (150): +3 Agility
Mantle of Intelligence (150): + 3 Intelligence [39 Mana]
Circlet (185): +2 To all Stats [38HP, 26 Mana]
Other:
Animal Courier (170): Makes a Courier who can transport items. Can be used by entire team.
Ring of Protection (175): +2 Armor
Observer Ward (200): Gives sight of a 1600 area.
Quelling Blade (225): For Melee Characters, gives 32% more damage to creeps. Good for Last Hitting.
Stout Shield (250): Has 60% chance Damage Block. Will Block 20 Melee Damage, 10 Range Damage.
How to spend your money:
Buy 1 "Other" item at Max. Your team needs a Courier, Wards help, the other 3 may help you in lane.
Buy 150 - 300 in Stat items. Try to go for Iron Branches before the 150 Gold Stat items.
Buy 200 - 300 in Healing Items. Pick up at least a Tango, but you should have both a Tango and a Healing Salve. Grab some Clarity Potions if you think you will be using a lot of spells or your spells cost a large chunk of your total mana pool.
You can save some money for more expensive items, but please don't some thing like "I will not buy anything so I can get a early Ring of Health"
Long Explained Version:
Stat Items:
For Stat based items, you should be looking a Iron Wood Branches, Circlets, Gauntlets of Strength, Slippers of Agility, and sometimes Mantle of Intelligence. Most of the time, you want to grab simply 3 or 4 Iron Wood Branches, since they give a Total of 3 Stat Points for 53 gold, while the Gauntlet/Slippers/Mantel give 3 stat points in one stat for 150 gold. For a support, a common set up to get is 3 Iron Branches, and Healing Items/Support items. For the roles between hard support and hard carry, you tend to be best off grabbing Iron Branches and Gauntlets of Strength. If you are an Agi Carry, grabbing Iron Branches and Slippers of Agility are usually the best bet. Mantle of Intel is usually only good on Int Based Gankers, and even then on a few characters really should bother picking up the Null Talisman they build into.
Do Not start with the 450 gold stat items, which are Belt of Strength, Boots of Elvenskin, and Robe of the Magi. They only give 6 Stat points, so you are better off just grabbing 2 of the 150 gold stat items.
Later game items that common starting items build into:
- Magic Wand: This is 3 Iron Branches, 1 Magic Stick, and a Recipe. The biggest reason to get this is to get your Iron Branches built into 1 item.
- Special note, for Iron Branches, don't feel bad about simply chucking them. If you are a carry or a ganker, you may want to get only a magic stick and not the full magic wand, or just skip it. The Magic Wand is a nice item, but the magic stick has the bulk of the utility already.
- Headdress: Headdress builds into both Mekansm and Pipe of Insight, and also gives a +3 Healing Aura. If you are building a Mekansm, pick this part up first if you are finding your self low on HP Regeneration and are often missing HP. Also gets +2 to all stats.
- Buckler: Builds into Mekansm, Buckler gives +5 Armor, and has an active that gives all near by allies +2 armor. The active costs 10 mana and lasts 25 seconds, so try to activate it when near allies. Each point in Armor effectively gives your 6% more HP when dealing with Auto Attacks. If you are getting a Mekansm, grab this part first if the enemy team has enemies who are able to get a lot of auto attacks off in team battles. Also gives +2 to all stats.
Mekansm is a mid game healing item that is good for supports to pick up (250 Healing every 45 seconds), while Pipe of Insight is an item that puts up an shield on all Nearby allies that soaks up 400 Magic Damage and is a good way to deal with a team with lots of Magic Damage.
- Bracer, one of 3 sister items. Gives +3 Strength, and +3 to all stats, and +3 Damage.
- A Quarky Healing item. When an enemy dies near you, you get a charge in the Urn. The Charge can be put on an ally to heal 400 HP over 10 seconds. It can also be used on enemies to do 150 damage over 8 seconds. The item gives +6 Strength and 50% mana regin too.
- One of 3 sister items, gives +3 Agility, + 3 to all stats, and + 3 Damage.
- Gives Damage Block. 100% for Heroes, 60% for Creeps. 20 Damage for Melee, 10 Damage for Ranged. Also gives 6 Agility.
- One of 3 sister items, gives +3 Intelligence, +3 to all stats, and +3 Damage.
Normal Consumables:
There are three items to heal up, Tangos, Healing Salves, and Clarity Potions.
Tango has 3 uses each, and stacks. They heal 115 HP over 16 seconds. You have to wait the entire duration to get the full healing effect, since using ather one within the 16 seconds just restarts the counter. These are best to heal up chip damage you take over time, so that you don't stay with low HP. Tango does not get cancled by taking damage though.
Healing Salves Heal 400 HP over 10 seconds. Best to heal large amounts in a short time. The biggest thing to note, if you get hurt, the healing will stop, so try to stand back while the item is healing. Many Damage over times will stop it from working too, so try not to waste the item because you have a DoT on you. The Item's Healing Stacks with Tango, but not Urn of Shadow's Heal.
Clarity healing 100 mana over 30 seconds. This item will also be canceled if you get hit while it is active, but due to the huge duration, you tend to want to try and get last hits still when it is up, so exercise caution. Most range enemies will go out of their way to hit you and cancel it though, so take caution and use that bit to your advantage. Also, try to remember if you have the item on you when chasing an enemy and you are out of mana.
Support Consumables:
The two big ones at that start of the game are the Animal Courier, and the Observer Ward. The Courier takes the highest Priority, someone needs to buy one at all costs. Being able to get items when out in the filed is very very important. The other one, Observer Ward, allows you to keep vision on key spots. You really should have this, but its not the end of the world if you don't. But really, get them.
Support Consumables to get in the early game, but often not the start:
In the first 5 minutes or so, someone on the team should upgrade the Courier to a Flying Courier, which makes it go faster and cuts down on the time it takes to get items.
Situational items for the early game to get are the two Anti-invisibility Consumables, Sentry Wards and Dust of Dust of Appearance. Sentry Wards are static objects that last for 3 minutes, and give sight of invisible units. They can be used to easily counter people who can easily go invisible while in lane (Broodmother, Bounty Hunter, Clinkz, Riki, Sand King, Invoker), or when pushing a lane. They can also be used to try and destroy the enemy wards.
Dust of Appearance is an item that makes all invisible units in a 1050 range be visible for seconds. Best used to counter Shadow Blade, it can also let you chase after other units who turn invisabile. Great for chasing down an Invisible Invoker or Riki.
Don't Stop Buying Observer Wards after the early game, make sure the team keeps getting them all throughout the game, and keep items to counter invisibility the entire game if needed.
"Other Stuff":
These are items that you will often get at the start of the game to help you lane, or do other stuff. They are Ring of Protection, Quelling Blade, and Stout Shield.
Ring of Protection is a little +2 Armor Ring. Nothing to great, but the reason you get it at the start is that you can't buy it in the side shop, and it builds into two items you may want to get in the early game (Which the part of can be found in the side shop), Ring of Basilius and Tranquil Boots.
Quelling Blade is an item to grab on Melee Characters to make last hitting creep easier. It give you 32% bonus when attacking any unit who ins't a Hero. It technically works on Ranged characters, but is very rarely worth it (12% for range). Also, Quelling Blade is able to cut though trees, a useful little skill that can get you in/out of odd spots.
Stout Shield is an item with a chance of damage block. It has a 60% chance to block damage, 20 from Melee, and 10 from Range. The big reason to get it is to reduce damage if you suddenly get agro from all the creeps, but the damage block do add up with ranged characters. The Stout Shield also build into two other shields, Poor Man's Shield and Vanguard. Poor Man's Shield is a Stout Shield with +6 Agility, and 100% chance block for Hero damage (Still 60% for creeps), while Vanguard has a 70% chance to block 40 Melee/20 Physical, plus it gives 250 HP and 6 HP/Second.
slidewinder
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Ah, now that's helpful. Thank you.
I wonder that myself. Some people manage to farm insanely fast...
thetrin
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This is what I was talking about. Insanely helpful. THANK YOU SO MUCH Drkirby.
Tried to join my first game. Made it to the character selection, but it wouldn't let me choose anything. I clicked on Crystal Maiden and clicked "Choose Character" but nothing happened. Tried "Random" and nothing happened. Game started and I was still in the character screen and couldn't get out. Everyone else in-game had a character and were starting the match. Had to leave.
Really have no clue whatsoever on what I'm doing.
Bro, that was the game's way of giving you a warning.
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