BladeoftheImmortal
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Samurai Champloo is better than Cowboy Bebop by a country mile.
[Anime] Your "Controversial" Opinions
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Kandrick
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Razgriz-Specter
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100% agree I just cant get over it any time I try. Also like the music better imo.
Japanese OST didn't have any version of this masterpiece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il_NXz5ynZA
also the power up songs were good.
perfectnight
Banned
Old woman goku traumatized my 13 year old ears. I feel sorry for all the Japanese kids who suffered through that.
Razgriz-Specter
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Last one I got is sorta anime related....
I enjoyed Dragon Ball Evolution for what it was.
I enjoyed Dragon Ball Evolution for what it was.
I cant be the only one that didn't enjoy the digimon movie all that much
probably because i saw it recently
Rahxephon91
Banned
Couldn't get into SC. Didn't like the characters. Jinn was mostly annoying. Fuu was just there and was also seemingly annoying. I don't know, I have no other way to describe her honestly. She just seemed there and I guess her angry "I'm so annoyed of these dudes" outbursts were supposed to be enduring and make the cast seem more lovable or something. But it never worked for me, I didn't like her. The other samurai guy was just a typical samurai character and his backstory was just flat and boring. Because I didn't care for the characters I didn't care for the main story, besides it seemed pretty uneventful anyway and then that ending just made things seem pretty pointless.
I guess music, animation, and fight scenes were great. The ending theme was good as well. I don't know, the show left me pretty disappointed. Really liked Bebop., really wanted the next Bebop.
I can't tell if you're agreeing with my statement or not.
This is like rejecting all American live action because Heroes was rather subpar.
First arc was the best and I feel should have ended there. The tournament was OK, but a little wacky towards the end. The game show was ridiculous. The anime however fixed a lot of the faults of the manga, the main ones being removing the permanent reactions and
evil living bread
Also it ruined the best character in the show, Kawachi, who actually had an interesting plot and struggle.
Kill Me Baby has the best OP song of all time.
PdotMichael
Banned
And the best ending song.
You saw that "Youtube Crashes Chrome" thread didn't you? Really nailed me there (200 or so tabs
)Google needs to fix this shit already ><
Kandrick
GAF's Ed McMahon
No. Best OP song of all time : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-POzIrRh0c
And it's not even from K-ON!
English Dub is better but Original Japanese Music is miles better. Best viewed with both.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
i find this hard to believe. a lot of people feel this way
Rahxephon91
Banned
Too bad English Myung is god awful. I also hate how the English version changes around the music. Dog Fight does not play during the climatic Isamu and Guld fight scene and that sucks.
Otherwise, yeah the dub was fine, but then again I watch a lot of anime in English.
And yeah Macross Plus is best Macross, then again only 1st, Plus, and DYRL are actually good.
Otherwise, yeah the dub was fine, but then again I watch a lot of anime in English.
And yeah Macross Plus is best Macross, then again only 1st, Plus, and DYRL are actually good.
DBZ English music on the most part superior, especially Vegeta's theme. Vegeta's US theme is one of the best fitting character themes I've ever seen.
FLCL is one of the worst shows ever committed to film.
The Feng Shui episode of Cowboy Bebop is worst than FLCL. Okay, I'm not sure if that last one could actually be considered controversial, because I've never seen anyone actually defend that episode.
Rurouni Kenshin's english dub is superior to the Japanese VA because he doesn't sound like an old woman in the English version. I also cannot stand the Japanese version of a show where the women are all voiced as having super loud high pitched voices.
This documentary pretty much explains why I stopped watching anime.
FLCL is one of the worst shows ever committed to film.
The Feng Shui episode of Cowboy Bebop is worst than FLCL. Okay, I'm not sure if that last one could actually be considered controversial, because I've never seen anyone actually defend that episode.
Rurouni Kenshin's english dub is superior to the Japanese VA because he doesn't sound like an old woman in the English version. I also cannot stand the Japanese version of a show where the women are all voiced as having super loud high pitched voices.
This documentary pretty much explains why I stopped watching anime.
Razgriz-Specter
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akachan ningen
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this is the best op song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyrVSTXDCqs
tsk tsk tsk best op song of all time has already been decide long ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo7jH23J1h0
Yeah I too love this fab opening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo7jH23J1h0
Yeah I too love this fab opening.
Maleficence
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Uhhh..why? How does this even affect how a person watches anime? Unless you watch exclusively fansubs.
Also, THIS is the best OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7HPyUcy37I
Because it perfectly describes what has happened to the anime "community" as it were.
Anime is the only medium where it's following has pissed me off so much that I don't want to watch it anymore because it reminds me of them.
PdotMichael
Banned
But if you hate the fansubs community why not just watching shows with professional subs and dubs? And the time of fansubs with keikaku and tl notes is pretty much over.
Kandrick
GAF's Ed McMahon
"Documentary" about rise and fall of anime. I fast forwarded through it, and all i heard was some dude complaining about fansubs.
I don't have this issue. Probably because I stream from Crunchyroll or buy the physical discs so I'm not bombarded with shitty fansubbing.
Well, if you had actually watched it you would have seen what he was talking about.
It's quite entertaining how the people who praise the English (I'm assuming Funimation here) dub of DBZ are the same ones I never see post in the Dragon Ball specific threads. I think nostalgia has clogged their mind towards how god fucking awful that dub is. The acting is pretty atrocious, and the script takes so many liberties that at times it's closer to DBZ Abridged than the Japanese one.
The English dub of FotNS lasts about 36 episodes. You're better off watching the sub on Crunchyroll or something.
The English dub of FotNS lasts about 36 episodes. You're better off watching the sub on Crunchyroll or something.
perfectnight
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX0bwFN-K9w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aJd922EOuk
If you think those dubs are bad then I don't know what to tell you man. Enjoy your old lady goku i guess
BTW
Ocean Vegeta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
Wow it's like they didn't even know their own character. Where is the psychotic Vegeta everyone knows and loves? This is completely flat and lifeless. You are probably tone deaf if you seriously think that sounds better than the Ocean dub.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NhQOwn4qNk
hahaha
absolutely no emotion whatsoever
Kandrick
GAF's Ed McMahon
PdotMichael
Banned
Its a good documentary on the problems with fansubs. worth a watch. however, like I said the whole thing can be avoided by getting translations through legal channels that have a proffessional obligation to do it right.
Wiktor
Member
It's a nice and funny movie, but it' author is blowing the problemout of proportions though.
Ocean Vegeta is way better than that. Any of the English dubs for Goku are much better than the original as well. How can you have such a bad miscast for your main character?
Typographenia
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Oh man, that was probably the worst aspect of Monster for me was everything pertaining to
Johan.
He was constantly talked up and talked up and talked up about "oh, he's just the worst thing ever and he's super smart and handsome and manipulative" that when it came time to deliver it fell so flat on its face for me that it was irredeemable. Not to mention the ridiculous "he convinced me to do X" that anything remotely tied to him was based in. I understand suspension of disbelief, but it was just irritating. Maybe I'm in the vast minority on this, but I just never felt we got even a half decent example as to why he was supposed to be feared. I think the only real thing we ever saw him personally do was lock a bunch of people in a room and set the building on fire. Really? This is the ultimate evil? Fine, if you say so, series.
Yeah, yeah, he did a billion other things with his hundreds of other identities in all of these dozens of locations... I'm really impressed.
Just never felt like the tension of what this guy was supposed to be capable of carried any gravity because what we heard talked about was hyperbole and what we saw was just "meh" at best.
He was constantly talked up and talked up and talked up about "oh, he's just the worst thing ever and he's super smart and handsome and manipulative" that when it came time to deliver it fell so flat on its face for me that it was irredeemable. Not to mention the ridiculous "he convinced me to do X" that anything remotely tied to him was based in. I understand suspension of disbelief, but it was just irritating. Maybe I'm in the vast minority on this, but I just never felt we got even a half decent example as to why he was supposed to be feared. I think the only real thing we ever saw him personally do was lock a bunch of people in a room and set the building on fire. Really? This is the ultimate evil? Fine, if you say so, series.
Yeah, yeah, he did a billion other things with his hundreds of other identities in all of these dozens of locations... I'm really impressed.
Just never felt like the tension of what this guy was supposed to be capable of carried any gravity because what we heard talked about was hyperbole and what we saw was just "meh" at best.
Also, the little kid,
Dieter, being suddenly a normal boy the episode immediately following something that was supposed to be truly horrific events (I believe it happened twice) was really jarring and almost hilarious.
I kind of prefaced my comment with calling out the Funimation dub, so I'm not sure why you gave me links to showcase the Ocean dub... Though, as one of the few who has actually seen the Ocean dub post-Android, I'll tell you the voice acting craters. I blame that on the post-Android stuff basically being done in a barely legal no budget manner.
Anyways, the reason for granny Goku in the Japanese version is a choice the director made. Goku retains the same voice actor from the beginning of Dragon Ball, to the end of GT (as well as every movie, TV special, game, and even Kai). You were supposed to see the evolution of his character through his voice (through subtle voice shifts), while still retaining that certain child-like innocence in the character. None of the English dubs have had that kind of consistency, and few of them have managed to keep the child-like nature of Goku apparent. Especially not the Funimation dub where Goku's basically rewritten to be a super hero, and sounds like one too.
That's kind of the problem isn't it? Vegeta's not supposed to be a psychopath. He's supposed to be a cold and cunning villain like Freeza (who's played appallingly bad in all dubs not called Kai) and this is an issue with Drummond in the post-Android stuff where Vegeta's character goes through shifts.
perfectnight
Banned
Hmm so you're saying that these characters were completely different in the original script? I can't really refute any of that because I have no idea what the original script reads like so I'll just say this: actions speak louder than words and Vegeta is a clear cut psychopath in pretty much every major scene (like the one I linked to). and Goku IS a super hero who fights world-endangering bad guy after world-endangering bad guy and sacrifices himself while doing so.. more than once.
Someone was talking about how the job of the translators/dubbers is not to try and mimic everything the Japanese voice directors did, and I find myself agreeing because Psychopath Vegeta >>> Vegeta who sounds like he barely gives a shit that he was just duped by two kids but who looks like he was ready to explode from the anger.
Red Liquorice
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This isn't really a controversial opinion, more an observation:
In the late 80s and early 90s when anime was becoming more widely known in the UK, there was an oft expressed saying in a lot of the magazines and media towards anime that, in Japan, animation wasn't just for kids and covered all kinds of topics and genres of interest to adults, not just the usual fantasy/sci-fi stuff.
Well, I've watched a fair bit of anime over the years and checked out a lot of shows - I've never seen an anime that was aimed at adults. I've seen stuff from comedy, horror, sci-fi, slice of life, fantasy, historical - and I can't think of a single show or movie that was aimed primarily at anyone out of college age at the very highest age bracket, and most of it seems to be targeted towards the 13-18 age range.
Maybe this is a case of what gets translated into English is mainly anime aimed at a narrow audience - but I've still yet to see any anime that was primarily aimed at an adult audience.
In the late 80s and early 90s when anime was becoming more widely known in the UK, there was an oft expressed saying in a lot of the magazines and media towards anime that, in Japan, animation wasn't just for kids and covered all kinds of topics and genres of interest to adults, not just the usual fantasy/sci-fi stuff.
Well, I've watched a fair bit of anime over the years and checked out a lot of shows - I've never seen an anime that was aimed at adults. I've seen stuff from comedy, horror, sci-fi, slice of life, fantasy, historical - and I can't think of a single show or movie that was aimed primarily at anyone out of college age at the very highest age bracket, and most of it seems to be targeted towards the 13-18 age range.
Maybe this is a case of what gets translated into English is mainly anime aimed at a narrow audience - but I've still yet to see any anime that was primarily aimed at an adult audience.
Haibane Renmei, Mushishi, Moribito....
Pretty sure young-uns aren't interested in these kinds of shows. most fans of Haibane Renmei I have seen have been adults. Younger people find it "boring".
Finaika
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Hentai?
PdotMichael
Banned
How many people can say the name of this show:
but exactly stuff like this has the widest target range.
but exactly stuff like this has the widest target range.
Characters are not completely rewritten, but Goku gets a huge change where he starts calling himself the hero of justice and shit like that. None of it's in the Japanese version. To see how bad some of the script changes are, this is from episode 138:
Japanese:
Yamcha: Are the artifical humans really that fearsome?
Kuririn: Yes, they are worse than we feared.
English:
Yamcha: Whoa! Goku's put on a few pounds.
Krillin: Hey, cut him some slack, he's been through a lot.
That's fucking horrible, and the dub is full of that crap. Hell, "Over 9000" should be "Over 8000", why was that changed? I don't know.
Chibi Maruko-Chan? or Sazaesan? One of those two.
I'm going to try this time since I painted myself as unrealistically neutral.
-Kaze no Stigma is one of the best action shows.
-FMP, not including Fumoffu, is still awesome. I like it at least better then Gundam and Macross. Eva/Rah, not so sure.
-Toradora is boring dramatic crap.
-Boogiepop sucks. Paranoia Agent is way better.
-Excel Saga is not that funny.
-Zero Louise s1 is really fun to watch.
-Clannad is so annoying due to the lack of romantic affection.
-Code Geass is not that great. I think Death Note is better.
-DtB2 was awesome sans the ending.
-Big three are terrible but Bleach is the most tolerable for the SS arc. (repeat post)
-Gurren Lagann is way over-rated for only being less then 1/2 a good show.
-When They Cry is fucking annoying.
-Infinite Ryvius has way to many characters and sucks.
-Kaiba is boring.
-K-On is a fun watch.
-Lova Hina is great.
-Macross F is shit compared to Zero.
-Mushi-Shi can really drag and is tough to not take in very small doses.
-RideBack is stupid.
-Requiem from the Darkness is better then almost all horror shows.
-Kenshin sucks. Samurai X is great.
Something in there has to be controversial.
-Kaze no Stigma is one of the best action shows.
-FMP, not including Fumoffu, is still awesome. I like it at least better then Gundam and Macross. Eva/Rah, not so sure.
-Toradora is boring dramatic crap.
-Boogiepop sucks. Paranoia Agent is way better.
-Excel Saga is not that funny.
-Zero Louise s1 is really fun to watch.
-Clannad is so annoying due to the lack of romantic affection.
-Code Geass is not that great. I think Death Note is better.
-DtB2 was awesome sans the ending.
-Big three are terrible but Bleach is the most tolerable for the SS arc. (repeat post)
-Gurren Lagann is way over-rated for only being less then 1/2 a good show.
-When They Cry is fucking annoying.
-Infinite Ryvius has way to many characters and sucks.
-Kaiba is boring.
-K-On is a fun watch.
-Lova Hina is great.
-Macross F is shit compared to Zero.
-Mushi-Shi can really drag and is tough to not take in very small doses.
-RideBack is stupid.
-Requiem from the Darkness is better then almost all horror shows.
-Kenshin sucks. Samurai X is great.
Something in there has to be controversial.
Maleficence
Member
Disagree about the SS Bleach arc, out of all of them that was by far the best. Show should have ended there.
Also I don't think Death Note being better than CG is controversial, I agree. Though I still like CG.
Also I don't think Death Note being better than CG is controversial, I agree. Though I still like CG.
I should have been more clear. The SS Bleach arc is the only good thing coming from the big three and most top shounen. It was quite entertaining.
So many battle shounen are just better then Bleach, Naruto, OP, HxH, Fairy Tail, etc... This includes Kekkaishi, FMA, Kenichi, Trigun, Claymore, Soul Eater, D.Gray-Man, Air Gear, InuYasha, Negima, etc... And I don't really even like some of them. Yet they are still better then the boyish hijinks of the popular shounen. Those shows are just power-up nonsense and should be ditched post puberty.
Maleficence
Member
I disagree with this in regards to OP but I won't bang on about it since I've done enough of it in this thread.
I don't see how you could put Soul Eater, and D-Gray man on there though, they suffer the exact same problem, and the ending of those 2 anime are awful.
British Monsoon
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I've fallen so far out of love with anime, I don't even know how true any observations I make may or may not be. But as I don't appear to be catered for in modern anime, I guess my unpopular opinion would be that all I want from anime is the sort of action-packed, over-the-top craziness seen in animes I watched as a kid like Cyber City Oedo 808, Venus Wars, Patlabor, Ninja Scroll, Wicked City, Fist of the North Star, Demon City Shinjuku, Battle Angel Alita, Dominion Tank Police, Appleseed, etc. The only animes I have thoroughly enjoyed since my childhood have been ones with a unique sense of style (Champloo, Bebop, Trigun, Big O), ones with darker themes (Monster, Darker than Black) or ones that are just plain odd (Mushishi, Mononoke, Blame!), so if anyone could suggest a TV series, OVA or film that might tickle my fancy, that'd be most appreciated.
firehawk12
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Check this out: Otona Joshi no Anime Time
It's an anime about a woman dealing with her loveless marriage, externalized through her bulimia. It's probably the only honest-to-god anime for adults that I can think of at the moment.
These days it's Mom's Life!
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