[Anime] Your "Controversial" Opinions

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I read the first chapter of TWGOK and thought it was decent. Sort of interesting twist on the harem genre and it appeals to some gamers. Not something I'd read again but IMO It's much better than stuff like Love Hina and Negima.

Also, put me with the camp of gaffers who believe Ken Akamatsu is a complete and utter hack.
 
onemic said:
Cowboy Bebop is overrated and Samurai Champloo is better

Granted I've only finished about 75% of bebop, but considering that everyone says that the good episodes are the last few episodes of the season, I can comfortably call this series overrated. A show should strive to be good in 100% of its episodes not the last 5. Champloo went on fairly strong for much of its run(granted by the middle there were some filler type episodes) but it was much more consistent than Beobop.
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I have completely different opinion. I liked most opf Bebop episodes, while Champloo was a huge dissapitment. Aside from the first episode and the last few it was just plain boring. It felt like a filler and a bad one. I couldn't believe this was done by Bebop director. Sure, Bebop also was highly episodic, but at least he made those standalone stories fun to follow, unlike in Champloo.
 
perfectnight said:
I read the first chapter of TWGOK and thought it was decent. Sort of interesting twist on the harem genre and it appeals to some gamers. Not something I'd read again but IMO It's much better than stuff like Love Hina and Negima.

Also, put me with the camp of gaffers who believe Ken Akamatsu is a complete and utter hack.
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Initially it's great, but it gets boring once you read 20-30 chapters and realize that it's the same rehashed arcs over and over again.
 
AdrianWerner said:
I have completely different opinion. I liked most opf Bebop episodes, while Champloo was a huge dissapitment. Aside from the first episode and the last few it was just plain boring. It felt like a filler and a bad one. I couldn't believe this was done by Bebop director. Sure, Bebop also was highly episodic, but at least he made those standalone stories fun to follow, unlike in Champloo.
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For me, both are definitely style over substance. But Bebop still had enough substance to push it into becoming one of the all time greats. Champloo on the other hand is just a lot of fun. At the same time, I honestly just think Bebop was much more memorable than Champloo. I honestly don't recall any of the stories from Champloo, but I remember almost all of them from Bebop, and I haven't really watched either of them more than the other. At least that is how I've always viewed the two.
 
Mortrialus said:
For me, both are definitely style over substance. But Bebop still had enough substance to push it into becoming one of the all time greats. Champloo on the other hand is just a lot of fun. At the same time, I honestly just think Bebop was much more memorable than Champloo. I honestly don't recall any of the stories from Champloo, but I remember almost all of them from Bebop, and I haven't really watched either of them more than the other. At least that is how I've always viewed the two.
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I have to agree with most of this. I love both series' but Bebop is infinitely better than Champloo in my book.



At the assertion that bebop is 75% filler....whoo boy. They're self contained episodes, not filler...
 
Yeah Champloo is definitely more style over substance than Bebop. Champloo is just a really fun show that had a lot of silly (baseball episode lol) stuff as well as some really awesome action scenes. Bebop will always be my favorite but I also love Champloo.

There aren't a whole lot of anime out there that are as consistent as Champloo and I think that's one of its strengths.
 
Noirulus said:
Initially it's great, but it gets boring once you read 20-30 chapters and realize that it's the same rehashed arcs over and over again.
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It stops being that, but only after likey 70 chapters and if somebody didn't like it from the start then I don't think it's really worth it to last that long.
 
shintoki said:
The entire argument for its supposed "greatness" seems to come from the ending. Even if you want to say that is great, everything prior to that just isn't good, specifically characters. Basically the entire lot is crazy. You'll have characters just change everything on the drop of a dime, go against what they were doing, and just do stupid shit that makes no sense.
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You say that, and it all seems pretty clear to me - but its still widely viewed as the greatest Gundam series ever - I don't know if people are specifically praising the ending either, they seem to like the whole thing.
Ookami-kun said:
Tomino should've stuck with super robots. While I dislike King Gainer it's much more bearable, and Turn A Gundam was more super robot than real.

Also G Gundam is an underrated gem.
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I don't know if that's true any more. People used to hate G Gundam and sing the praises of Zeta, perhaps times have changed now.
neutralgamer02 said:
I've completed over 100 anime series, but I have never watched cowboy bebop.
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That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

This is an opinion: both Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo had some fairly weak episodes in their respective runs.
 
cosmicblizzard said:
It makes a bit more sense than that since like 95% of anime are manga adaptations (though LN adaptations are starting to become more prominent). I would still say it's on a case by case basis though.
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Most movies are adaptations of books, but that doesn't make the "books > movies" argument any more sensible. Adaptations aren't necessarily inferior to their source material.
 
Just finished Trigun yesterday, and I honestly do not get what the big deal is about this series. The first two thirds of the show are incredibly mediocre - boring episodic misadventures with flat characters, exceptionally lame comic relief, and badly aged animation. In the final third it gets somewhat interesting, but still does a questionable job of handling drama without feeling as forced and excessive in its angst as it did in its comedy. Events feel contrived to produce angst, and one gets the impression that the original author made up the story as he went along. The attempt at a "darker and grittier" turn for the series never convincingly meshes with the dorky comedy, ludicrous villains and implausible fight scenes. Speaking of dumb villains, the Gung-Ho Guns are some of the most absolutely retarded, awful villains I've ever seen. Their motivation is paper-thin and the one who gets the most screentime is the most obnoxiously cliched and pointless of them all. The only halfway interesting character in the show
gets killed off several episodes before the end
. The finale seems to be going alright, until it just ends with only the bare minimum of actual resolution. Vash beats the bad guy, the end, literally nothing else is resolved. Vash's philosophy is explored in an interesting way, but is ultimately childishly simplistic. I liked the space-western aesthetic and the soundtrack, but everything else was really middling fare, definitely not worthy of being held in the kind of regard it is in Western anime fandom. I can only assume that it was one of the first anime series watched by the majority of its fans, because I can't think of a single thing in it that another series hasn't done better.

Also, as mentioned in my opening post, the dub is unwatchably bad. I can sort of comprehend why some people might like the show, but I absolutely cannot fathom how anybody could like the dub, let alone proclaim it to be one of the best dubs of all time.
 
gatotsu911 said:
Just finished Trigun yesterday, and I honestly do not get what the big deal is about this series. The first two thirds of the show are incredibly mediocre - boring episodic misadventures with flat characters, exceptionally lame comic relief, and badly aged animation. In the final third it gets somewhat interesting, but still does a questionable job of handling drama without feeling as forced and excessive in its angst as it did in its comedy. Events feel contrived to produce angst, and one gets the impression that the original author made up the story as he went along. The attempt at a "darker and grittier" turn for the series never convincingly meshes with the dorky comedy, ludicrous villains and implausible fight scenes. Speaking of dumb villains, the Gung-Ho Guns are some of the most absolutely retarded, awful villains I've ever seen. Their motivation is paper-thin and the one who gets the most screentime is the most obnoxiously cliched and pointless of them all. The only halfway interesting character in the show
gets killed off several episodes before the end
. The finale seems to be going alright, until it just ends with only the bare minimum of actual resolution. Vash beats the bad guy, the end, literally nothing else is resolved. Vash's philosophy is explored in an interesting way, but is ultimately childishly simplistic. I liked the space-western aesthetic and the soundtrack, but everything else was really middling fare, definitely not worthy of being held in the kind of regard it is in Western anime fandom. I can only assume that it was one of the first anime series watched by the majority of its fans, because I can't think of a single thing in it that another series hasn't done better.

Also, as mentioned in my opening post, the dub is unwatchably bad. I can sort of comprehend why some people might like the show, but I absolutely cannot fathom how anybody could like the dub, let alone proclaim it to be one of the best dubs of all time.
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http://www.desudesbrigade.com/shows/jesuotaku/in-betweens/

Watch these, then come back.
 
Baccano would be better if it told its story in chronological order. Or at least just keep the various big events in separate episodes.
 
I really dislike Serial Experimantal Lain. It had great sense of atmosphere, but the story was confusing for its own good and the plot was lame as hell. The soundtrack.
 
faridmon said:
I really dislike Serial Experimantal Lain. It had great sense of atmosphere, but the story was confusing for its own good and the plot was lame as hell. The soundtrack.
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I know a guy who in the early 2000s wanted to marry Lain.

Like, literally marry her. He was a book smart kid, but socially handicapped. 27, lived with mom, and had a four hour argument with me over what constitutes "reality". His perception was that on another level, the one he's at and I was not attuned to, Lain is real.

Because she's real in his perception, she is just as real as my own girlfriend.


Slamtastic said:
I don't like listening to languages other than my own.
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I listen to the Disney dubs of Ghibli movies, which I know is sacrelidge. But Lassater put so much love into the voice acting with some incredibly talented actors that it's better than the native language in my opinion.
 
gatotsu911 said:
Just finished Trigun yesterday, and I honestly do not get what the big deal is about this series. The first two thirds of the show are incredibly mediocre - boring episodic misadventures with flat characters, exceptionally lame comic relief, and badly aged animation. In the final third it gets somewhat interesting, but still does a questionable job of handling drama without feeling as forced and excessive in its angst as it did in its comedy. Events feel contrived to produce angst, and one gets the impression that the original author made up the story as he went along. The attempt at a "darker and grittier" turn for the series never convincingly meshes with the dorky comedy, ludicrous villains and implausible fight scenes. Speaking of dumb villains, the Gung-Ho Guns are some of the most absolutely retarded, awful villains I've ever seen. Their motivation is paper-thin and the one who gets the most screentime is the most obnoxiously cliched and pointless of them all. The only halfway interesting character in the show
gets killed off several episodes before the end
. The finale seems to be going alright, until it just ends with only the bare minimum of actual resolution. Vash beats the bad guy, the end, literally nothing else is resolved. Vash's philosophy is explored in an interesting way, but is ultimately childishly simplistic. I liked the space-western aesthetic and the soundtrack, but everything else was really middling fare, definitely not worthy of being held in the kind of regard it is in Western anime fandom. I can only assume that it was one of the first anime series watched by the majority of its fans, because I can't think of a single thing in it that another series hasn't done better.

Also, as mentioned in my opening post, the dub is unwatchably bad. I can sort of comprehend why some people might like the show, but I absolutely cannot fathom how anybody could like the dub, let alone proclaim it to be one of the best dubs of all time.
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The manga was a lot better, it continued the story much further than the anime.

also: one piece/ naruto / bleach / dbz are all terrible. infantile stories with terrible combat coreography and a fundamental lack of talent on the part of the artists. Stuff like Blade of the immortal / vagabond make them look like the kind of thing a failing first year art school student would do
 
gunbo13 said:
Love Hina is fun. Fuck the haters.
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As I mentioned in the anime thread, this was the first anime series I watch in correct order from start to finish completely. I remember it being quite fun. I haven't watched it in 10 years I think. Actually, I might to a RTTP this summer, which would mark my anniversary of watching it for the first time i.e. My first real step into anime.
 
pizzaroll said:
YYH features a lot of episodes directed by Shinbo, back when he was still good and all. His episodes are great.
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Did not know this. I thought it was all Noriyuki "Blandcake" Abe, all the time. Which ones did Shinbo do? (I've only seen a couple.)

I've found myself dwelling on Trigun more than I expected. I really, really liked how it stayed consistently focused on its one central moral theme (the ethics of killing) the entire way through, and went at it from a whole lot of different angles without a 100% definitive conclusion. I read up on the manga and it sounds like it goes even further in the exploration of that driving moral question, and is even less black-and-white in its conclusion. I also really liked the portrayal and handling of Wolfwood's ideological crisis. And it was neat to see an anime with Christian symbolism and themes made by an author who actually has some understanding of Christianity.

But with all that said, there is still so much derp that keeps me from being able to really like it. The villains are still terrible, the characters (apart from Wolfwood) are still gratingly two-dimensional (and Meryl and Millie are completely useless). The pacing and plotting are choppy as shit, the art is ugly and the animation is crap (still can't believe that it's a Madhouse show and that it aired the same year as Cowboy Bebop). The only genuinely exciting action scene is the final showdown in episode 26. The world is never entirely believable and, thanks to being based on an unfinished manga, the show sets up a bunch of plot threads that are then marginalized or outright ignored (such as Vash's relationship with the Plants). The comedy is still 95% terrible and the first two thirds of the series are still in desperate need of trimming.

Even so, upon reflection I think I can at least see what stands out about it in the minds of fans. It's just a shame that so much of the execution for some of its genuinely good ideas is lacking.
 
pizzaroll said:
YYH features a lot of episodes directed by Shinbo, back when he was still good and all. His episodes are great.
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icarus-daedelus said:
That's pretty much it. It was airing around the same time as Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Lupin III, etc were on Adult Swim in the USA, and it gets a lot of undeserved love by proximity because of it.

Thankfully no-one seems to have positive memories of garbage like Blue Gender or Reign: The Conqueror, though.
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I didn't watch it on Adult Swim, have not seen Cowboy Bebop (yet), and did not watch FLCL even close to the same time. I still really love Trigun, it has a charm to it that still holds up well for me. Nostalgia might does play a factor; however, I wouldn't say that people only like it because of it's proximity to other great shows.
 
Dynedom said:
I found History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi to be a fun show. I enjoy the manga and it's shounen fun without taking itself too seriously.
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I don't know, Kenichi is kind of based around one of the biggest complaints about the genre; training arcs. It may not take itself seriously, but there's a lot of other series I'd recommend before that in terms of that.

Kenichi's growth is also VERY slow. Yeah, it's cool when he does beat a powerful enemy, but I don't know if I would say it's worth it.
 
Not sure how the same DBZ storyline over and over again is acceptable. Its just concentric circles / russian dolls of people that the main hero guy needs to kill. Cut and paste with different names, add a slightly mysterious father figure, and you have a hit anime (dbz, bleach, one piece, naruto, etc).
 
Subprime said:
The manga was a lot better, it continued the story much further than the anime.

also: one piece/ naruto / bleach / dbz are all terrible. infantile stories with terrible combat coreography and a fundamental lack of talent on the part of the artists. Stuff like Blade of the immortal / vagabond make them look like the kind of thing a failing first year art school student would do
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DBZ is pretty dumb in retrospect. I used to be on the edge of my seat every episode I saw, thinking "Maybe this is the episode where Trunks beats the androids!"
It never was.
Getting older allowed me to see it's all a bunch of angry dudes powering up and punching stuff, saving the world from the villain of the arc. I also agree with Naruto and Bleach being bad; I can't follow Naruto at all unless reading it continuously, and Bleach is just so... tired. But I'll be damned if I let anyone talk smack about One Piece. One Piece is the greatest shounen series of all time. Sogeking for life!
 
cosmicblizzard said:
I don't know, Kenichi is kind of based around one of the biggest complaints about the genre; training arcs. It may not take itself seriously, but there's a lot of other series I'd recommend before that in terms of that.

Kenichi's growth is also VERY slow. Yeah, it's cool when he does beat a powerful enemy, but I don't know if I would say it's worth it.
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HSDK has devolved into horridness post Apachai arc.
 
Anime in general is immensely unoriginal. A large chunk of it appears to follow a very strict design aesthetic and rule set for particular story beats.

As someone who appreciates anime as an artist it's disheartening to see it mature or evolve so little over the past decade.

Then again I don't think you could really say anything "controversial" about anime. It's not exactly some kind of sacred cow.
 
Use to be a big fan of anime, but now the typical cutesy "anime" lead role teen characters annoy the hell out of me. Fan service is also annoying, seriously does every single anime character have to go to the damn beach :/
 
GraveHorizon said:
DBZ is pretty dumb in retrospect. I used to be on the edge of my seat every episode I saw, thinking "Maybe this is the episode where Trunks beats the androids!"
It never was.
Getting older allowed me to see it's all a bunch of angry dudes powering up and punching stuff, saving the world from the villain of the arc. I also agree with Naruto and Bleach being bad; I can't follow Naruto at all unless reading it continuously, and Bleach is just so... tired. But I'll be damned if I let anyone talk smack about One Piece. One Piece is the greatest shounen series of all time. Sogeking for life!
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but its the same story! Guy gets group of sort of friends (who are never as powerful as him), has multiple power up stages, has a mysterious father (oh no its that dragon guy who is mysteriouuuuuus), fights concentric circles of baddies, refuses to kill people because of inane morals. Its better than bleach and naruto because it takes itself less seriously and actually has its own art style to a degree, but its still childs play compared to boti or vagabond.
 
icarus-daedelus said:
Film in general is immensely unoriginal.
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50 percent of films don't star a spiky haired teenager.

Yes, film in general tends to be iterative but there is a wide breadth of different movie styles to pull from. Directors are then creative enough to often take a very unique spin on that.

Anime is a very focused beam. Nothing really strays outside of what others are doing in the format. It's incredibly rare when it actually happens.
 
gatotsu911 said:
I have a long-standing antagonism with JesuOtaku.

(Which is to say I respect her and have spoken with her once or twice, but our tastes get along like oil and water.)
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I think she has a good eye for analysis and more often than not I agree with her reviews and evaluations.

Out of curiosity, what do you like?
GraveHorizon said:
DBZ is pretty dumb in retrospect. I used to be on the edge of my seat every episode I saw, thinking "Maybe this is the episode where Trunks beats the androids!"
It never was.
Getting older allowed me to see it's all a bunch of angry dudes powering up and punching stuff, saving the world from the villain of the arc. I also agree with Naruto and Bleach being bad; I can't follow Naruto at all unless reading it continuously, and Bleach is just so... tired. But I'll be damned if I let anyone talk smack about One Piece. One Piece is the greatest shounen series of all time. Sogeking for life!
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Does anyone have any idea what it was about the show that just captured kids? I used to be really into it as a kid, for the life of me I can't remember why.
 
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