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Reminds me, I bought it like a year ago and still haven't played it. I need to get another memory card for my PSP.
Final Fantasy Versus XIII was announced in 2006. It is now 2012. These are facts.
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Reminds me, I bought it like a year ago and still haven't played it. I need to get another memory card for my PSP.
Haunted
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Crisis Core and KH BbS really need to come to PSN, their absence is pretty sad.
I think SE have made plenty of good games this generation personally, and even if they hadn't, it wouldn't reflect on the chances of Versus being great. I personally think KH BbS is the best game on PSP, and TWEWY is the best game on DS, so I think SE are still on very good form.
I think SE have made plenty of good games this generation personally, and even if they hadn't, it wouldn't reflect on the chances of Versus being great. I personally think KH BbS is the best game on PSP, and TWEWY is the best game on DS, so I think SE are still on very good form.
Bloody hell. Just look at that list. superb games all around. What a shame square turned into an almost worthless company these days
Electivirus
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I agree. Many of my favorite games from them are from this gen. Their output is the main reason I got a PSP, and I've spent a good couple hundred hours on FFTA2 and TWEWY on the DS.
Got tons of enjoyment from XIII and XIII-2 (which I'm still in the middle of playing), as well.
They're still pretty awesome, in my book.
Haunted
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They also made The Last Remnant and (partly) Gyromancer. Good games!
S-E had a good output this generation. But nearly everything new they did with Final Fantasy was shite and there's traditionally a very strong identification of S-E with that brand - so that's what's prompting those "S-E is worthless" [because FF became worthless] posts. Crisis Core, XIII, XIII-2, XIV, Crystal Bearers, ugh.
At least the DS remakes and Tactics were solid, but that's just fuelling that argument again "remember when S-E was good" [because FF used to be good].
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3 if FFX HD counts
I thought the DS remakes were crap, Crisis Core I enjoyed a lot more.
Haunted
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I see, you want me to fight you.
Let's just agree to disagree, I don't want to be reminded of/talk about Crisis Core.
The Emperor
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Okay I see what your saying, I guess no other JRPG really is doing that.
Haunted
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Certainly fair, I think it did a lot of things wrong, but I think the way it mixed a long campaign with lots of those digestible side quests was really cool for the handheld playing factor. I'm not claiming it's great or anything, it's not, just better than the FF3/4 remakes (although I've never played the NES version of 3).I see, you want me to fight you.
Let's just agree to disagree, I don't want to be reminded of/talk about Crisis Core.
Here's SE's internal console releases this generation that made it to the West:
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy XIII-2
The Last Remnant
Mario Sports Mix
I haven't played Echoes of Time or Mario, so I can't comment on those. While I think the others are underwhelming in comparison to their previous generations, I don't think they're aggressively bad personally. Crystal Bearers is much better than that GC garbage they put out.
They haven't made a great Final Fantasy since X for me, but I still have faith Versus will be that long awaited return to form. Maybe that's naive, I guess we'll see.
The Emperor
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They are my favorite Publisher this gen for sure.
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Mine are probably Sega and Atlus. Square Enix and Namco Bandai come to a far second.
I felt that Square Enix was much better last gen though.
Electivirus
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Square Enix and Nintendo round out my top, definitely.
XIII-2 took, like, 1,5 years, that's incredibly quick for a multiplatform JRPG. >_>; And the only thing subpar in XIII-2 is the story, but then again, we've got that in I-IV, VIII and X-2 already, so it's not like that's a series first...
Sho_Nuff82
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How is vs 13 a mainline game?
Ambition doesn't equal an enjoyable game. And calling something the most ambitious Final Fantasy is like saying your shit smells better than mine.
Yes and I'm saying all these people are crazy. Like, literally deluded.
Versus XIII will be shit, mark my words, then there'll be plenty of threads analysing why.
The thing that annoys me is why all these people are getting excited. The game is quite clearly in development hell, and Square haven't shown anything worthy of such excitement in the last four years.
So anyone who doesn't agree with you is deluded?
Some people will find it shit, regardless of it's actual quality, the fact that you can find people who dislike something, doesn't mean it is objectively poor.
I don't believe it's in development hell, despite the extended development time, and I certainly think the last trailer was worthy of excitement, as were the three before it, but that was only based on it's aesthetic.
I don't see any real reason to think it will be bad, even if I considered XIII/XIII-2 to be shit, they're not by the same people, those games are from the X-2 people more or less, it shouldn't be surprising they are of about that quality.
Anonymous Tipster
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I just watched that trailer that someone was getting all hot and heavy about on page two, and the first 3 minutes are almost exactly the same as a trailer I had seen previously.
Strictly talking gameplay here, it doesn't look as bad as I remembered (the behemoth fight), but it looks so slow. From what I saw, I don't understand what about the gameplay is getting people excited.
Strictly talking gameplay here, it doesn't look as bad as I remembered (the behemoth fight), but it looks so slow. From what I saw, I don't understand what about the gameplay is getting people excited.
cj_iwakura
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I'm fine with it being Versus XIII as long as it ties into the Crystallis mythos. If not, yeah, make it XV.
The Last Remnant is my favorite RPG this gen, and one of my favorite games period.
Regardless of my position in the matter, I feel those excited for Versus are, in a way, deluded. I don't feel the time and mystique surrounding the game's development will show in it's actual quality, and subsequently many will be disappointed.
And many will cherish it despite it's objective standard as a current generation video game in 2012.
And aesthetics don't equal enjoyment, at least not on their own. I'll concede that the game does have a genuinely interesting look, but I just feel it'll be shallow in regards to gameplay beneath that. The latest trailer didn't really change my mind in that respect.
I think the duration of the games development, as well as the amount of actual footage and assets they've shown, combined with how little we really no about the game leads more to the direction that the game isn't going as smoothly as you would expect from a top developer.
The game might be great, but we wouldn't know at this point, and if you take an educated guess at this point based on what we know you wouldn't suggest the game is on track.
I'm actually very fond of FFXIII and FFXIII-2 to the point they may be my third and fourth favorite entries respectively in the entire series. I loved Crisis Core and TWEWY as well. I have no doubt in my mind that Versus XIII will be a good game. Now living up to this ungodly hype thats pretty much not achievable at this point....that's another story. Its a reason I haven't been following this game much over the years until a release date is announced. I wont allow hype to cloud my judgement of this game and expect to be something godlike.
This is a bizarre position, people shouldn't have higher expectations because of a longer development. It's not like they've had hundreds of people working since the project began, the reason it's taking a long time is because they didn't go into full time production until fairly recently. You can say the game shouldn't have been announced when they basically had nothing done, and I would agree with that, but that's a promotion/marketing decision, not a design one.
Yes, they will. Even if the game is bad by my tastes, it will have lots of people who love it. That is true of every game, which was my point.
You think it'll be shallow, I don't, not much of a debate really. You could argue every Final Fantasy is shallow, I could argue they're deep.
They've shown a lot for a game as far from release as it is. Could they show more? Certainly, but considering the real promotion cycle hasn't even started, they don't really have a good reason to do so. They've said quite a lot about the game's design and scope which isn't shown in trailers, you could suggest they're lying and we should only believe what is shown, but that's a level of scepticism I can't really understand.
Saying the game might be great is such a leap from your last post it blows my mind. I may have misjudged your stance on the game.
This is what happens when I make an educated guess. Visually it's by far the best looking game in the series, both artistically and technically, gameplay wise it looks a lot more engaging than the series has been so far, it's open world-ish, which is a lot more appealing than the structure of the games since the PS1 era to me, it has air ships, and cars etc.
What Final Fantasy was to me was a sense of adventure, wanderlust, being given a freedom in travel. You could get on the world map, wonder around and find yourself in a completely optional place, involved in an enjoyable side quest. A game doesn't even need to have the extra stuff for me, but it helps if it gives the feeling that exploration can lead to something. Versus is the first in the series since 9 that has the potential to do that (outside of the MMOs which I haven't played).
Will Versus XIII be good? I have no idea, but I think everything is in place for it to be far better than the series has been for a long time. There will never be a Final Fantasy with the scope of VII and the assets of XIII, it's too grand a project for the sales the series gets. If that's the bar people are hoping for every time, they should have walked away a long time ago.
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Square are always pretty cagey about how much they show, mainly because there games are hugely asset-driven and thanks to their traditional parallel-development model things come together quite late on.
I think that the odds of Versus turning out well are extremely high. Square have had a rough time getting the tech sorted out this gen but the speed with which they've turned around XIII-2 suggests that their production pipeline seems to be in good shape at last.
The mistakes made regarding the direction of XIII and XIV will doubtless have influenced Versus, and considering the amount of effort put in to salvage those titles you can tell the will is there to get the franchise back on track.
I'd fully expect Versus to be out in Japan by the end of the year, or failing that early 2013, with an overseas release shortly thereafter.
People whine about FF not taking risks, being linear and whatever. This is the game that is trying to do all that FF was before in a quality that is expected from a PS3 game. It's not a retro game like Ni No Kuni, they are at least trying to bring the traditional experience into next-generation with all that it can offer. Whether they succeed or fail at that, that will be seen when the game's released.
Lolololololol. Kingdom Hearts games are fun action RPGs. At the very least, Versus should be a competent action RPG with shittons of content. It won't be a bad game, there's simply no chance of that happening, not with the people working on it. It might not be the bestestestEST game ever or perfect, but there's simply no way it's going to be a shitty game. Of course, since it's not going to be perfect, some people will use that reason to shit on the game.
The story might be shit, the rest of the game? I doubt it.
I'm sure the development hasn't been problem free (not even after they figured out the Crystal Tools), but to say it's in development hell is quite likely false also. They have a very ambitious game they are making and they don't want to make any compromises, instead opting to push PS3 to its limits. They might have to hit their head against a wall at times, but that doesn't equal to development hell. The game that is seen in this trailer doesn't seem like something lacking focus or being in development hell where nothing is working:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAlIXNk4Rns
That trailer offers every reason, for me, to be excited. The battles look like they could be fun, that scene where they are flying through the city on some platform at night (and the Dragoon Knight jumping onto it) is some of the most incredible stuff I've yet seen in HD games (let alone JRPGs) and all-in-all, for a game that was so far from release, the game seems to be in an incredibly finished state (though I'm sure it wasn't).
I personally think this game is far from development hell like Duke Nukem Forever, they are just sticking to their original plan of making this a really ambitious JRPG, and that just takes a long time to realize. Again, the game was in development by a relatively small team before Summer 2011 (for a game of its size), so the progress hasn't been as fast as with some 400 man strong team working on Assassin's Creed or something. They did their groundwork properly before they moved on to the meat of the development.
Dreamer RD
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Reading people comments about liking FF13/13-2 makes my eyes bleed.
Yeah Versus has uncertain fate. Most likely it will be renamed like Agito and probably will go multiplatform with 2013/2014 release. Cancelling this project would be unwise.
Yeah Versus has uncertain fate. Most likely it will be renamed like Agito and probably will go multiplatform with 2013/2014 release. Cancelling this project would be unwise.
Announced in 2006 but development didn't really start until 2008 or so. At this point Nomura should come out and say something like 'It's done when it's done!' I have a feeling he wants this game to be too perfect... adding in more ideas as he sees fit... and thus extending development time.
It also doesn't help that last year SE forced him into silence as to not overshadow FFXIII-2 (lol).
It also doesn't help that last year SE forced him into silence as to not overshadow FFXIII-2 (lol).
E3 when Nomura taps the shoulder of Don Mattrick.
Why would they do that?
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Just for fun, but team XIII-2 did a scene very similar to that too, and the game is already out lol ~
Yeah probably aside from some pages on April's famitsu, the next reveal will be at E3. With a release date window.
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What are SE's big games from the Japanese side for the next fiscal year? I only know of Dragon Quest X.
kh3d and last remnant ps3 (lol)
The Emperor
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I think its wise to simply move Versus to nex-gen...it'll be better for its sales and the series.
Rename it FFXV...make it perfect...release it within 1 year of PS4/720/Wiiu's launch and BAM one of the greatest nex-gen titles will be a JRPG, FF will be at the forefront as one of its titles will be the pinnacle of nex-gens library and the JRPG genre can be reborn. XIII came WAYYYY too late in the gen to "Define" anything.
Rename it FFXV...make it perfect...release it within 1 year of PS4/720/Wiiu's launch and BAM one of the greatest nex-gen titles will be a JRPG, FF will be at the forefront as one of its titles will be the pinnacle of nex-gens library and the JRPG genre can be reborn. XIII came WAYYYY too late in the gen to "Define" anything.
iKeepPlaying
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Because Square-Enix.
I'm in with the "versus 13 is not the messiah" school of thought. A new FF no longer means a red letter day, not like it did in previous gens. It means "oh please god let it not be shit". SE has been trading on past glories in terms of its FF brand for years. Their console output has been weak, Nier notwithstanding. FF13, FF13x2, FF 14 Online, its 3 for 3. If Wada goes then maybe, but for now I don't see any reason to be excited at the prospect of more FF.